rgraham666
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Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney shot and killed.
Sigh. I wish I could be surprised and shocked.
Sigh. I wish I could be surprised and shocked.
Sigh. (political)
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Conservative talk radio taken to the next level.
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I really hope that this does not turn out to have been politically motivated.
My thoughts are with his friends and family in this heartbreaking time.
All Democratic scandels center around sex . . .
Oh please let it not be so. Please . . .
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Barging into a house and shooting a guy wasn't hint enough?
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Of course. My point was if the shooter was politically motivated he probably would have had some sort of manifesto to proclaim as justification like so many other assassins.
Thus he would have stayed alive to have his 15 minutes of fame in front of the cameras.
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But that's an everyday occurrence in gun toting America.
And if you don't believe that, ask all the gun control governements in the gentle, civilized (knife wielding, bomb throwing, illegal firearms loaded) EU.
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Way to smear the image of a man who was just murdered. And, as if democrats have the market cornered on sex scandals.
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VM, why blame the victim here?
The guy sold cars. Maybe it's a disgruntled employee. Maybe it's some messed up customer who didn't like the deal he got on a new car.
It may have nothing to do with politics, but even if it does, why automatically assume scandal?
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VM, why blame the victim here?
The guy sold cars. Maybe it's a disgruntled employee. Maybe it's some messed up customer who didn't like the deal he got on a new car.
It may have nothing to do with politics, but even if it does, why automatically assume scandal?
No, no, no! You both have taken my resonse the wrong way. I was hoping that it wasn't another jealousy thing. And it wasn't. Phew! Poor man and his poor family. Why don't we do a better job of watching out for each other's incipient madness. It's not like schizophrenia is invisible or anything. When people are about to go off, it shows. But everyone's so unconcerned about their neighbors anymore.
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VM, I can tell you from my own experience that most people's reaction to some one they know going insane is to get away from them.
I lost all my friends when I lost my mind. Haven't seen any of them since. My family drifted away a little as well.
No one wants to know about mental illness.
I lost all my friends when I lost my mind. Haven't seen any of them since. My family drifted away a little as well.
No one wants to know about mental illness.
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Sigh, I know. The same thing happened to my stepfather-in-law when he had the first stroke of the series that finally killed him. All his old friends, his buddies at the yacht club, people he taught with . . . poof!
For some reason, Alzheimer's is treated differently. When Dad started to decline, we regularly heard from people he'd no longer recognize but who kept in touch with us to know how he was doing. I don't understand, I just don't.
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Hey, no offense, but why doesn't anyone ever shoot a republican?
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That's like saying, if, say, George Bush were to be hospitalized,
"Oh, Republicans are always furtively sucking cock and taking it up the ass in men's bathrooms. I hope that's not the case with this poor guy. His wife and kids will be so hurt!"
Whatever your intention, you've linked the victim with unsavory, illicit behavior in the minds of everyone who reads your post. It's the kind of rhetoric skeezy talk radio hosts and Fox News use shamelessly.
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I'm gonna step in and defend VM here.
It's not a post from R.Richard, damn it. It's an observation of something commonly said in many places and was posted without malice, by one of our more centrist and affable posters. VM is known to play peacemaker, not warmonger.
The fact that multiple people jumped in the wrong direction at the words is, to me, more of a condemnation of the path we have allowed our political process to take.
Until further review, we should all (including me) try not to assume that something one of us says is being delivered with the intent of a Limbaugh or Hannity. ( I was trying to come up with a Democratic-leaning equivalent, and couldn't. The most likely subjects<Colbert, Maher> make fun of both sides.)
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From the right's point of view, Al Franken and Keith Olberman are the 'liberal' equivalents of Limbaugh and Hannity.
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Never really enjoyed Franken, therefore not up on him.
I still don't see it with Keith. A fact-checker working with him isn't going to find much to explain away (possibly a result of the fact that Olberman cut his teeth dealing with stat fanatics)... with those other two????
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I was just watching some Olberman clips over at YouTube. One where he lambastes O'Reilly for claiming the Malmedy Massacre was perpetrated by Americans and one where he blasts Coulter for dumping all over 9/11 widows.
O'Reilly and Coulter, and their fans, couldn't care less about facts. So, from their POV Olberman is just another lying liberal scumbag. They probably use that term as well.
O'Reilly and Coulter, and their fans, couldn't care less about facts. So, from their POV Olberman is just another lying liberal scumbag. They probably use that term as well.
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I consider VM a friend (I think it's mutual
), and hope my criticism is taken as a critical examination of what was said, not a lambaste of the affable guy who posted it.I genuinely think off the cuff comments like the one I challenged are hurtful and a bit dangerous (ETA: all the more so, when they come from people we know as reasonable, intelligent folks), and would hope my raising the point wouldn't be taken as an ad hominem attack.
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I consider VM a friend (I think it's mutual
I genuinely think off the cuff comments like the one I challenged are hurtful and a bit dangerous (ETA: all the more so, when they come from people we know as reasonable, intelligent folks), and would hope my raising the point wouldn't be taken as an ad hominem attack.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, Rob; you seem like such a sweet person.
When I was a grad student at Cornell, the professor for the Psychopathology course, Ron Mack, used to do a class where he tried to convince everyone that the difference between "normal" and "crazy" is quantitative, not qualitative, usually giving several everyday examples of the processes that produce mental illness when exaggerated.
He explained that people often shun mentally ill people, especially psychotics, because psychotics break rules that other people didn't even realize existed until they were broken. He'd start off class with a seemingly normal lecture, except that instead of lecturing from his usual place, he'd walk forward until he was standing next to the knees of someone in the first row (usually the most attractive girl in the first row
). He'd gradually increase the volume of his lecture, until he was shouting it. He'd put his hand down the front of his pants and continue lecturing with his hand there. By the time he took off the vest that he always* wore over his shirt on the day he gave this lecture, the class was convinced that Ron would do ANYthing, and you could hear the rustling as 400 people shifted uncomfortably in their seats, afraid that he was going to completely strip down.He didn't, of course -- he stopped with the vest -- and he pointed out that he hadn't hurt anyone and hadn't done anything terrible, just made people feel skittish and uncomfortable
When he finally started the real lecture and began talking about how psychotics break rules that other people didn't even realize existed, until they were broken, people understood what he meant. And when he said that it was hard for mentally ill people to get help, because other people avoided them, they knew what he meant. I don't know if any of his students went on to stick with mentally ill friends or not, but he at least prepared the ground for them to be able to do so.
He died of cancer several years ago, but god, he was good.
*I was a teaching assistant for his course several times, so I got to see him do this more than once.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, Rob; you seem like such a sweet person.
When I was a grad student at Cornell, the professor for the Psychopathology course, Ron Mack, used to do a class where he tried to convince everyone that the difference between "normal" and "crazy" is quantitative, not qualitative, usually giving several everyday examples of the processes that produce mental illness when exaggerated.
He explained that people often shun mentally ill people, especially psychotics, because psychotics break rules that other people didn't even realize existed until they were broken. He'd start off class with a seemingly normal lecture, except that instead of lecturing from his usual place, he'd walk forward until he was standing next to the knees of someone in the first row (usually the most attractive girl in the first row
He didn't, of course -- he stopped with the vest -- and he pointed out that he hadn't hurt anyone and hadn't done anything terrible, just made people feel skittish and uncomfortable
When he finally started the real lecture and began talking about how psychotics break rules that other people didn't even realize existed, until they were broken, people understood what he meant. And when he said that it was hard for mentally ill people to get help, because other people avoided them, they knew what he meant. I don't know if any of his students went on to stick with mentally ill friends or not, but he at least prepared the ground for them to be able to do so.
He died of cancer several years ago, but god, he was good.
*I was a teaching assistant for his course several times, so I got to see him do this more than once.
One of my acquaintances in the university walked into the Mental Hygiene Clinic I was assigned to at Ft. Ord. I was astonished to see him, of course, and asked why he was there. It seemed that the poor guy had joined the Air Force and that they'd sent him to learn Mandarin Chinese. It broke him. I gently took him in to see our senior shrink and then drove him to the Psychiatric Ward. Later, when I was transfered to San Francisco and he was transferred to Letterman General Hosp there, my wife and I would sometimes take him for outings when he felt good enough to go or have him over for dinner. Eventually he was sent to Florida and medically discharged. If he was around SoCal, we'd still always have an open door and a place at the table for h im. Such a waste . . .
