Women: A Parting Gift from Bush to You

[Varian P]

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Stealth Assault on Reproductive Rights


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[voluptuary_manque]

Unreal! Abortion, IMO, is sometimes the least tragic alternative and certainly isn't a legitimate form of convenient birth control but to attempt to equate preventive birth control with abortion is deranged. I really don't have to worry about my senators or representatives. They're all female Dems. (Thank-you, legislative gerrymandering, thank-you, thank-you ) but I sure commend her advice to all the rest of you with political leanings And daughters, don'tchaknow . . .

 

[jomar]

Stop the Insanity!

Scary. We should all click on the link and write our senators.

 

[Guest]

I'd write one if it helped.

*thanking christ I live in Canada*

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

How's this different from the government prohibiting Catholic organizations or Boy Scouts from not hiring those who dissent from their precepts, or prohibiting such entitites from using public facilities?

 

[DesertPirate]

How's this different from the government prohibiting Catholic organizations or Boy Scouts from not hiring those who dissent from their precepts, or prohibiting such entitites from using public facilities?

It's not, but some folks are just going to take as many shots at Bush as they can. Of course most birth control pills containing abortifacents has nothing to do with it.

 

[cloudy]

It's not, but some folks are just going to take as many shots at Bush as they can. Of course most birth control pills containing abortifacents has nothing to do with it.

oh, for fuck's sake.

 

[Liar]

How's this different from the government prohibiting Catholic organizations or Boy Scouts from not hiring those who dissent from their precepts, or prohibiting such entitites from using public facilities?

A church or a boy scout troop isn't responsible for the health and safety of a third party. Doctors, nurses and pharmacists are.

If I'm a cop, and I don't arrest a criminal because of my "moral beliefs" that people of my ethnicity have the right to rob, rape and steal from the "lesser cultures"... is that ok with you?

Or simpler. if I'm a firefighter, and I refuse to rescue a women from a burning building, because my religion says I can't touch other females than my wife... am I in the right job?

 

[rgraham666]

Quelle surprise.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

A church or a boy scout troop isn't responsible for the health and safety of a third party. Doctors, nurses and pharmacists are.

If I'm a cop, and I don't arrest a criminal because of my "moral beliefs" that people of my ethnicity have the right to rob, rape and steal from the "lesser cultures"... is that ok with you?

Or simpler. if I'm a firefighter, and I refuse to rescue a women from a burning building, because my religion says I can't touch other females than my wife... am I in the right job?

Good. That's what I wanted to say but couldn't articulate. Well done, that gas mask!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Secular employers cant discriminate based on religion or beliefs. If an abortion clinic accepts Federal money it has to comply with the Civil Rights Laws.

Its no different than being in the army and forced to kill. You kill or you become a medic.

If you dont want to assist with abortions get another job. But opposing abortions doesnt disqualify you from rendering aid and comfort to pateints who have abortions.

 

[Guest]

Secular employers cant discriminate based on religion or beliefs. If an abortion clinic accepts Federal money it has to comply with the Civil Rights Laws.

Its no different than being in the army and forced to kill. You kill or you become a medic.

If you dont want to assist with abortions get another job. But opposing abortions doesnt disqualify you from rendering aid and comfort to pateints who have abortions.

Nor does it prevent judgemental assholes from fucking with a vulnerable person's mind, either.

Nothing like getting Jesus while you're recovering from something like that.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

How's this different from the government prohibiting Catholic organizations or Boy Scouts from not hiring those who dissent from their precepts, or prohibiting such entitites from using public facilities?

What happened to the old Libertarianism now, Rox?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Secular employers cant discriminate based on religion or beliefs. If an abortion clinic accepts Federal money it has to comply with the Civil Rights Laws.

Its no different than being in the army and forced to kill. You kill or you become a medic.

If you dont want to assist with abortions get another job. But opposing abortions doesnt disqualify you from rendering aid and comfort to pateints who have abortions.

That's not entirely true. The employers can't discriminate on the grounds of race, relgion, national origin, gender age or physical handicap. However, there is an exception: If that religion etc. would prevent the person from performing his or her job, you can discriminate. If a very devout person is opposed to birth control or abortion on religious grounds, a place such as Planned Parenthood can refuse to hire that person, on the grounds that they would be hiring a sabateur. If a devout Muslim is opposed to alcoholic beverages, an owner of a bar can turn down his application for a job as a bartender, believing the applicant intended to destroy the bar owner's business. A taxi company does not have to hire a blind person as a driver.

Personally, if I were an anti-abortion person, which I am not, I would not apply for a job at a place where abortions are performed unless I intended sabatoge.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roxanne Appleby
How's this different from the government prohibiting Catholic organizations or Boy Scouts from not hiring those who dissent from their precepts, or prohibiting such entitites from using public facilities? [/quote]

A church should not be regularly allowed to use public facilities because of the separation of Church and State. I believe the Church is allowed to refrain from hiring those who staunchly oppose their mission and try to prevent them from being carried out. On the other hand, Boy Scouts, as a secular group, should be allowed to use public facilities. If there is a person who intnds to sabatoge what the scouts are trying to do, they should also not be required to hire that person.

It's not, but some folks are just going to take as many shots at Bush as they can. Of course most birth control pills containing abortifacents has nothing to do with it.

I don't really take shots at W, but sometimes I disagree strongly with some of his hare-brained ideas. I don't really know what "The Pill" contains. As I recall, it prevents the unfertilized egg from becoming implanted on the wall of the uterus. That would not be an abortion.

I do know that the "Morning After Pill" comes close to providing abortions, and maybe actually does so.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BABYGYRRL

Plenty of maternity nurses care for mom's they think need to be sterilized. But they do their jobs competently and professionally.

 

[desertslave]

Here's another website with easy ways to contact your congresscritters (or find out if yours has already signed onto the protests over this nonsense).

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/07/31/fight-bushs-proposed-antibirth-control-regulations

The attempted redefinition of contraceptives as abortion just dumbfounds me. I shouldn't be surprise, I know, but holy shit! Talk about dragging us back into the Dark Ages.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

What happened to the old Libertarianism now, Rox?

I'd eliminate all the government programs/subsidies that are means by which Big Mother bullies both Catholic social service groups and secular health care providers about who they hire.

As for the boy scouts and other groups who use public facilities in a purely incidental manner, I'd enforce the Constitution's recognition of the right of free association, whether that involves holy rollers or gay joint rollers.

Here's the bottom-line principle: Those who would use these programs/subsidies to bully one type of group have principled basis onw which to complain when a popularly-elected government uses them to bully a different type of group. Both sides support your own version of government bullying, so have no right to complain when the other side beats you at the polls and imposes their version. The only person who has a right to complain is me, who opposes all forms of government bullying, and the welfare/subsidy programs used to legitimate it, too.

Is that libertarian enough for ya?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

A church or a boy scout troop isn't responsible for the health and safety of a third party. Doctors, nurses and pharmacists are.

If I'm a cop, and I don't arrest a criminal because of my "moral beliefs" that people of my ethnicity have the right to rob, rape and steal from the "lesser cultures"... is that ok with you?

Or simpler. if I'm a firefighter, and I refuse to rescue a women from a burning building, because my religion says I can't touch other females than my wife... am I in the right job?

See my previous post. The boy scouts are using public facilities (like parks) in a purely incidental manner, and so the government acts improperly when it seeks to infringe their rights of free association. The Catholic social service agencies and secular health care providers are essentially benefitting from a form of welfare, and it's on that basis that the government seeks to bully them. Eliminate the welfare and the bully-lever goes away with it.

As for cops and firefighters, here we are talking about services that are genuinely core government functions, not welfare. The government exists to protect the life and liberty of the people, so has no proper power to withhold such protection.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Here's another website with easy ways to contact your congresscritters (or find out if yours has already signed onto the protests over this nonsense).

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/07/31/fight-bushs-proposed-antibirth-control-regulations

The attempted redefinition of contraceptives as abortion just dumbfounds me. I shouldn't be surprise, I know, but holy shit! Talk about dragging us back into the Dark Ages.

Thanx, I needed that.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I'd eliminate all the government programs/subsidies that are means by which Big Mother bullies both Catholic social service groups and secular health care providers about who they hire.

As for the boy scouts and other groups who use public facilities in a purely incidental manner, I'd enforce the Constitution's recognition of the right of free association, whether that involves holy rollers or gay joint rollers.

Here's the bottom-line principle: Those who would use these programs/subsidies to bully one type of group have principled basis onw which to complain when a popularly-elected government uses them to bully a different type of group. Both sides support your own version of government bullying, so have no right to complain when the other side beats you at the polls and imposes their version. The only person who has a right to complain is me, who opposes all forms of government bullying, and the welfare/subsidy programs used to legitimate it, too.

Is that libertarian enough for ya?

Sophistry. I'm talking about a woman's right to decide to do with her body what she will.

 

[CeriseNoire]

It's not, but some folks are just going to take as many shots at Bush as they can. Of course most birth control pills containing abortifacents has nothing to do with it.

And the number of women taking the pill so that they can have children at some point has nothing to do with the outrage either

 

[Guest]

It's not, but some folks are just going to take as many shots at Bush as they can. Of course most birth control pills containing abortifacents has nothing to do with it.

Abortifacents?

The pill works by preventing conception, DP.

If you're speaking about the emergency contraceptive pills taken after rape, they need to be administered within 12 hours. Conception may not have even happened.

 

[Guest]

Here's another website with easy ways to contact your congresscritters (or find out if yours has already signed onto the protests over this nonsense).

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/07/31/fight-bushs-proposed-antibirth-control-regulations

The attempted redefinition of contraceptives as abortion just dumbfounds me. I shouldn't be surprise, I know, but holy shit! Talk about dragging us back into the Dark Ages.

Agreed.

And damn misinformation, anyway.

 

[rgraham666]

Agreed.

And damn misinformation, anyway.

Information disease always starts with diseased information. By redefining words we redefine the way we see reality.