Is it fair to be "guilty by association" re: members who post racist comments?

[RoryN]

Is it fair to be "guilty by association" re: members who post racist comments?

Multiple members on the GB point out whoever makes racist posts regularly. Emphatically.

Should this force/move you to disassociate yourselves with that person? Absolutely not.

But, you're an intelligent person. So, you'll research it. You'll click on the links members provide, and/or you'll investigate on your own, independent of their links or influence. You'll use the "Advanced Search" feature, because it's not that hard to do. You'll take the time to do it, because it's important. And then, you'll decide whether or not you really, truly wish to associate with / stand up for that member.

If you do the research, and stand by those posting racist remarks, you'll be judged accordingly. If you refuse to do the research ("I can't be bothered to do that") and stand by those posting racist remarks, you'll be judged accordingly. All members have to go on is various personas; it's a bulletin board. Racist posts aren't a savory quality for most people and, because of this, you'll understand the reaction of the masses.

Is this a difficult concept for anyone?

(Is this thread a re-hash? I'm sure. But it doesn't hurt to repeat.)

 

[Problem Child]

Depends on how long the "friend" of the "racist" has been here. People that still think killswitch is cute after knowing him for a year don't get a pass.

 

[where]

see how the new alt swarms to you? this is the same one as bollockbrains.. I can feel it...

 

[pellso27]

fuck you

 

[The Heretic]

Generally I put people who make racist slurs or other similar hateful statements on ignore when I see the post. Some people, especially people I like, I may cut a little slack - maybe they were drunk or didn't realize what they were saying, but that is rare.

I don't "Back up" those statements by people, friends or not - not if I think they are hateful/racist/etc.

That said, I am not my brother's keeper. I don't keep track of what everybody says, and I am generally not going to go searching back for those statements or get involved in he said/she said battles. So no, I don't think it is fair to hold one person accountable for what another person said, especially if they weren't there when the other person said it and/or they weren't aware of it.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

What's really amazing is that this thread was made way back in April and nobody commented on it until today, and only that one person was a thread-bumping alt. Why wasn't it relevant enough to comment on back in April? Because I know there was a lot of bullshit regarding this thread's topic going on back then.

 

[Image]

As far as I'm concerned, each poster stands alone on their own merit regardless of who they associate with on the board. Guilt by association never flew with me. We're multi-faceted as humans and Lit posters...

If you choose to dislike me, do it because of something -I- did or said, not because of who I happen to have crossed posts with, no matter the subject...

 

[The Heretic]

What's really amazing is that this thread was made way back in April and nobody commented on it until today, and only that one person was a thread-bumping alt. Why wasn't it relevant enough to comment on back in April? Because I know there was a lot of bullshit regarding this thread's topic going on back then.

Not amazing at all - sometimes threads just don't get seen by someone who feels they need to reply to it. If that happens to one of my threads I may bump it after a couple of hours, maybe even a few days, and if it still sinks I let it die a natural death.

 

[bronzeage]

Guilt by association is a broad brush. Some of our most vocal anti-racists are pretty nasty people in their day to day lives.

So, I vote "fair", as long as its evenly applied on both sides.

 

[Image]

Guilt by association is a broad brush. Some of our most vocal anti-racists are pretty nasty people in their day to day lives.

Very good point...

 

[Rhys]

Multiple members on the GB point out whoever makes racist posts regularly. Emphatically.

Should this force/move you to disassociate yourselves with that person? Absolutely not.
)

I disagree.

By supporting a racist, a bigot, a child molester, you are in effect condoning their behaviour. By tacit approval, you give them support and the attention they want.

Think of the school yard bully who used intimidation tactics both in and out of the classroom. Yes, some of his remarks were funny and so you laughed. But, his antics prevented the teacher from teaching. In the end, you bowed to his will, and got a poorer education because of it.

Oh yes, I know, each poster stands on his or her own merits blah blah blah. But the truth of the matter is, all these people want it is to bring everyone into the same narrow mode of thinking and stamp out anything different, original or
imaginative. There are funny people who are racists. There are excellent musicians who are racists, there are all kinds of people who but for their narrow views would otherwise be fun to be around. You can't change this behaviour since more than likely it was learned early on in life from a parent with the same racist views. While I understand that gently trying to re-educate them may be the goal of some, the most virulent and disruptive need to be put on ignore and left to rot in their own swill.

Hatred has no place on a board about love. We'd all do well to remember that.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I disagree.

By supporting a racist, a bigot, a child molester, you are in effect condoning their behaviour. By tacit approval, you give them support and the attention they want.

Think of the school yard bully who used intimidation tactics both in and out of the classroom. Yes, some of his remarks were funny and so you laughed. But, his antics prevented the teacher from teaching. In the end, you bowed to his will, and got a poorer education because of it.

Oh yes, I know, each poster stands on his or her own merits blah blah blah. But the truth of the matter is, all these people want it is to bring everyone into the same narrow mode of thinking and stamp out anything different, original or
imaginative. There are funny people who are racists. There are excellent musicians who are racists, there are all kinds of people who but for their narrow views would otherwise be fun to be around. You can't change this behaviour since more than likely it was learned early on in life from a parent with the same racist views. While I understand that gently trying to re-educate them may be the goal of some, the most virulent and disruptive need to be put on ignore and left to rot in their own swill.

Hatred has no place on a board about love. We'd all do well to remember that.

(claps hands in fervent appreciation)

 

[Faneros]

Depends on how long the "friend" of the "racist" has been here. People that still think killswitch is cute after knowing him for a year don't get a pass.

Killswitch has always been nice to me....

 

[where]

What's really amazing is that this thread was made way back in April and nobody commented on it until today, and only that one person was a thread-bumping alt. Why wasn't it relevant enough to comment on back in April? Because I know there was a lot of bullshit regarding this thread's topic going on back then.

I on;y just noticed this....

I disagree.

By supporting a racist, a bigot, a child molester, you are in effect condoning their behaviour. By tacit approval, you give them support and the attention they want.

Think of the school yard bully who used intimidation tactics both in and out of the classroom. Yes, some of his remarks were funny and so you laughed. But, his antics prevented the teacher from teaching. In the end, you bowed to his will, and got a poorer education because of it.

Oh yes, I know, each poster stands on his or her own merits blah blah blah. But the truth of the matter is, all these people want it is to bring everyone into the same narrow mode of thinking and stamp out anything different, original or
imaginative. There are funny people who are racists. There are excellent musicians who are racists, there are all kinds of people who but for their narrow views would otherwise be fun to be around. You can't change this behaviour since more than likely it was learned early on in life from a parent with the same racist views. While I understand that gently trying to re-educate them may be the goal of some, the most virulent and disruptive need to be put on ignore and left to rot in their own swill.

Hatred has no place on a board about love. We'd all do well to remember that.

waht he said....

 

[where]

Killswitch has always been nice to me....

me too on occasion ...makes my skin crawl

 

[Left_Nut]

Why is it certain people look for something racist behind every corner. I think those are the people that are actually the racists. Let it go and and quit pointing fingers.

 

[Lavared]

I think it is possible for two things to happen that could have one posting with someone who has displayed an ugly, racist attitude without condoning their behavior.

First, as Heretic mentioned, you could not have been around to see the behavior.

Second, they could start a thread on, say, quilting with cat gut and quilting with cat gut is an absolute passion of yours that you rarely (for obvious reasons) get to discuss. If the topic of the thread is and remains cat gut quilting then posting in it would be the natural thing to do. This is assuming that the poster is not someeone whose name (example: I_despise_green_people) doesn't give them away and whose posting history has been on a variety of subjects, not just racist ones.

 

[bluntforcemama]

Repetitive association is enough to taint anyone's profile. Not only in the racist field, but also in other interpersonal areas. I once found myself generally intrigued by a poster until I watched him start interacting with one of the more shallow female posters. I have since lost a lot of respect for him.

Truly, it depends on the poster. There are some who are able to chat it up with anyone and not be taken for racist or shallow, or what have you. It's the general personality of each that should be taken into account, but that is always easier said than done.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Why is it certain people look for something racist behind every corner. I think those are the people that are actually the racists. Let it go and and quit pointing fingers.

Easy to just "let it go" when your race isn't the one that's being perpetually maligned under the umbrella of "free speech" when one person chooses to do so.

 

[Left_Nut]

Repetitive association is enough to taint anyone's profile. Not only in the racist field, but also in other interpersonal areas. I once found myself generally intrigued by a poster until I watched him start interacting with one of the more shallow female posters. I have since lost a lot of respect for him.

Truly, it depends on the poster. There are some who are able to chat it up with anyone and not be taken for racist or shallow, or what have you. It's the general personality of each that should be taken into account, but that is always easier said than done.

Why do we constantly see threads about racism everyday. It seems like some people are obsessed with that term.

 

[pointless]

Repetitive association is enough to taint anyone's profile. Not only in the racist field, but also in other interpersonal areas. I once found myself generally intrigued by a poster until I watched him start interacting with one of the more shallow female posters. I have since lost a lot of respect for him.

Truly, it depends on the poster. There are some who are able to chat it up with anyone and not be taken for racist or shallow, or what have you. It's the general personality of each that should be taken into account, but that is always easier said than done.

i've lost respect for people for the same reason. of course, i've also conversed with some shallow motherfuckers here. it's hard to be a dick all the time even to people who do nothing but kiss ass and expect the same. racists i generally just ignore.

 

[bluntforcemama]

Why do we constantly see threads about racism everyday. It seems like some people are obsessed with that term.

Some people love to cry wolf. That's all I've got. Honestly I don't care one way or another what anyone cares to call themselves. It's words and that's all. If the poster is generally offensive, then yes, I can see how it could grate on people. Perhaps it's all a way of defining oneself?

 

[bluntforcemama]

i've lost respect for people for the same reason. of course, i've also conversed with some shallow motherfuckers here. it's hard to be a dick all the time even to people who do nothing but kiss ass and expect the same. racists i generally just ignore.

Of course. Creepy people, like renard-ruse, Jimi, that David Hilliard person, yeah... I get that, and I'm wary of the people that converse with them regularly not just because of the general wrongness of the feeling I have toward creepy douche bags, but because of the overwhelming lack of trust. The people I feel strong distaste for have usually done something extremely disgusting behind the scenes of Lit, and sometimes to other Litizens, fucking with their lives, etc... Perhaps it's much the same for people who consistently define themselves and others by race. Perhaps that have this general distaste for people who are not like themselves? I don't know. I've never defined anyone by cultural or racial elements and it seems alien to me to do so. So, I try to understand by comparing it with my own hatred of certain things. I don't know that it's comparable, though.

 

[semen4her]

Anyone who is friends with Killswitch is a fucking moron.

 

[Faneros]

me too on occasion ...makes my skin crawl

Don't blame ya there girl!