Bishonen fangirls are gay!

[TheReapersWife]

Visual kei

Okay, this is what I meant. I used bishonen incorrectly, because I didn't know what these guys were called. Bishonen is a term used when talking about manga and anime. I am NOT talking about manga or anime. I'm talking about Japanese rock bands and "visual kei" fangirls.

These are all MEN:
http://pic.photobucket.com/spacer.gif
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/strawberryshadi/kagerou.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m104/ryog/Kagerou/groupe62.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/native-prep/randoms/karma-shenjing.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Zu_Leive/Moi%20Dix%20Mois/manaMoiDixMois.jpg

Now, when I say I "have a problem with" these girls, I don't mean I dislike them for their choices. I just find the contradiction of "the men they like look like women", slightly annoying. I don't care who they like or why. I'm not judging them. I just find the logic of their attraction confusing. I was just wondering if anybody shares my point of view.
I am not saying homosexuality is bad.


I don't mean this to be offensive in any way.
I have a problem with girls who are attracted to bishonen guys(like, I mean, REALLY bishonen; you can't even tell they're men from appearances) but still attest that they're straight(the girls do). And I'm not just talking about anime and manga here, I'm also talking about the Japanese male singers who put on makeup and dresses, and you have to be told they're guys(from pictures you could not tell on your own). Now granted this is a small anoyance of mine, but I just wanted to see if anyone out there agrees with me: girls who say they are "straight" but who are attracted to Bishonen are full of shit. And in the closet.
I mean, if he looks like a girl and you find him attractive...you like girls, dude. We're not talking about long and silky tresses Fabio here, we're talking about crossdressing men. So, anybody else hear what I'm sayin(figurative)?

 

[Wolfman1982]

TheReapersWife: Do me a favour, and fuck the hell off !

 

[emap]

Ahem, what you are saying makes sense, until you realize something. What a person wants their love interest to wear does make them homosexual. No matter what a woman atracted to a guy dressed up like a woman does not make her bisexual or homosexual, it is still a guy under the clothes.

By your logic, the glamour rock bands of the 80's were all gay men. Dee Snyder is very not gay, but he is the lead singer of Twisted Sister. You can't really find a better example of bishounen in the US.

As for the not being able to tell, I think you rather need your eyes checked, I can always tell unless all they are doing is leaning against something and not moving.

I like guys in dresses, I try and get mine into one semi often, though he's more of a good giggle in a dress. I admit I am bisexual, but the reason I like guys in dresses isn't because I'm in the closet, I just think dresses are better looking than most male clothes.

Which is more or less the exact same reason why the fans of Bishounen like it, they look good and not just some guy in skin tight leather. Not to say I don't like that, just damn like every rocker for 4 decades has done that almost, it gets tiring. Why do you think Elton John was such a big hit? I mean yes his music is great, but it was also because he didn't go for a suit, or the skin tight leather, he varied he got strange and he was kinda fun to watch.

 

[TheReapersWife]

Um, you have not refuted my theory very well(if that was what you were trying to do).
One: if you're saying they are not gay, you haven't given me a plausible reason why else they'd like bishounen besides "it looks good"(which it does NOT unless they're feminine enough that you can't tell they're guys, but then it doesn't matter 'cause it supports my theory). The fact there is a guy under the clothes just means the girl dating him is too lazy to get a girl with a strap-on(how else do lesbians have sex, besides mutual masturbation?). A guy wearing a dress is just so much more convenient.
Two: I did not say the guys wearing the dresses were gay, just the girls who like them. And Twisted Sister is so NOT bishonen. They are a man's parody of women; they're not actually trying to look like women(or if they are, they need a new makeup artist).
Three: You're first paragraph is not quite clear.

What a person wants their love interest to wear does make them homosexual. No matter what a woman atracted to a guy dressed up like a woman does not make her bisexual or homosexual,

? After rereading it a couple of times I think I know what you were trying to say, but I don't want to assume anything.

 

[TheReapersWife]

I'm sorry, it sounds like you're offended. Did I hit a sensitive spot? Note: I did not say I have a problem with homosexuals, but with girls who play straight deceptively. 'kay? So, back off please. I'm trying to have a conversation here.

 

[sunandshadow]

Bullshit *laughs at ReapersWife* It's so obvious you've never read one yaoi fanfic. Its true that yaoi doesn't have to be cast with bishounen, but usually at least one of the two lovers is described as being pretty, slender, etc. They might wear mage robes that are vaguely feminine, they might go disguised as a woman for one plot segment, but at base being a bishounen is not about crossdressing, it's about having a pretty face. And to go with that pretty face, a flat chest and a cock. As becomes blatantly obvious when you note that pretty much all bishounen porn is about gay male anal or oral sex and there's usually cum flying everywhere.

 

[emap]

Congratulations reapers, you classify as an idiot. If you understood what I was saying then you would have noticed something. Namely, what someone wears does not make the lover of homosexual or bisexual. Why is liking men in dresses better than liking them in leather or blue jeans or stuffy suits not a good enough reason to not be homosexual?

I mean, we are talking about women who love men in dresses, we're not talking about women who love women in dresses, or transsexual women in dresses, they love men in dresses, they don't have female breasts, they don't have pussies, they have a cock and male breasts, they can grow a beard or a mustache simply by not shaving for a few days. Under all of the clothes there is a man, why does what he wears make a woman homosexual or bisexual in the closet?

I mean are you even thinking of a reason or just saying he wears a dress and makeup the women who love him have to be closet homosexual?

 

[Etoile]

The fact there is a guy under the clothes just means the girl dating him is too lazy to get a girl with a strap-on(how else do lesbians have sex, besides mutual masturbation?).

Wow, you totally have no idea what you're talking about. kthxbai.

 

[AmberMoore]

The fact there is a guy under the clothes just means the girl dating him is too lazy to get a girl with a strap-on(how else do lesbians have sex, besides mutual masturbation?).

Wow, I can totally fuck a girl without wearing a strapon lol. That's actually borderline offencive.

Amber

 

[txtongue]

Wow, I can totally fuck a girl without wearing a strapon lol. That's actually borderline offencive.

Amber

Lol...seriously though...not that I'm an expert on this by any means, but does it matter how they get it done? I think its all about what that couple wants to do. Strap ons, fingers, toys, natural appendages, etc.

 

[thetwolezz]

I have a problem with girls who are attracted to bishonen guys(like, I mean, REALLY bishonen; you can't even tell they're men from appearances) but still attest that they're straight(the girls do).

Jaded much?

WHY do you have a problem with girls who like dudes in dresses and proclaim they are straight?

I have a friend (male for now) who is pre-op trans and she has a wife (legally) who considers herself straight. I do believe...it's THEIR business.

I guess I don't understand your "have a problem with" issue.

 

[Etoile]

Wow, I can totally fuck a girl without wearing a strapon lol. That's actually borderline offencive.

Amber

Just borderline?

 

[AmberMoore]

Just borderline?

Well I was trying to be borderline polite...

 

[Night_Jasmine]

Honestly..I think you've got the wrong idea for bishounen/bishonen.

If you look at anime..the bishonen males aren't in dresses or make up. Yes, some have longer hair but they're just beautiful specimens. Definitely masculine in appearance and behaviors.

I would suggest researching the term again.

 

[Noira]

Actually, I'd contemplated the original topic a bit before.

Guys are obsessed with 'shemales'. Why is this? They are a woman. With a dick. Correct? But this means the fact that they are enjoying a penis okay because it's got boobs too, right?

But then you get girls obsessed with 'bishies'. Bishies, for all rights and reason, look like women with a penis as well...

...owait.

But still. Is this justifying a closet love of female features because it has male organs? Whooo knows. I know a lot of lesbians who go for bishies and anime guys, but I also know a lot of straight gals who go for them too.

Mmm, anime boys.

http://mandibles.peaksofwisdom.com/ghostpunque/altchev24-145.jpg

But not all of them look as masculine as others. I've seen some that make me question whether it's a guy or a girl.

http://www.animegalleries.net/albums/Fushigi%20Yuugi/Hotohori/FY_hotohori0004.jpg

http://0d.img.v4.skyrock.com/0d0/i-am-justice/pics/627058954_small.jpg

http://bishounen.info/kujaku/kujaku02.jpg

http://images.elfwood.com/art/a/n/angellong/tiefling_leader_cl.jpg <--yes. This is a guy. The artist says so.

All guys above, all the result of a few minutes spent on google, all 'bishies'. A TON of girls go all SQUEE over them. Traditionally they have narrow faces and long hair and frequently robes, I've seen... not QUITE dresses... the real masculine feature is the difference in eye and nose shape from female anime characters.

Still, there are some that look far more feminine...

And yet...

Oh, I don't know. They're not really what I go for. They're cute and all, but not really my type. I like my guys to look guyish. But most bishies do act guyish even if quite a few do look very androgyenous. I don't think liking them makes anyone a lesbian, if they're female... if a guy liked them, I'd suspect something was up, and if a girl liked them only because they were guys who looked like girls, I might wonder, but they do generally act male--they just look a lot better than most real life guys, and that's, I think, the attraction.

Hey, if you don't squee over long-haired pretty boys in 'robes', hey, more power to you. I think they're cute, but I have a different preference for squeeing over. ^_^

 

[Etoile]

You know what? This is just insane. I can't believe we're having this conversation.

Why the fuck does it matter what labels someone chooses? If somebody likes girly boys and calls themselves straight, who cares? Why is it such a threat? Get over it.

 

[Wolfman1982]

You know what? This is just insane. I can't believe we're having this conversation.

Why the fuck does it matter what labels someone chooses? If somebody likes girly boys and calls themselves straight, who cares? Why is it such a threat? Get over it.

Etolie, take it easy dear French star. I would have deleted the thread, if it was where I am a moderator. Since I would not accept any kind of this thread. But then again, the only socalled "gay" about the bishounen or what ever the term is called. Then some of the NON cross dressing bishonen manga dudes. They are perhaps "pretty boys" as some said. Or let us say metrosexuals for that matter or just bitchy emo assholes. Anyway who gives a flying fuck ? I don´t.

And let the fistfucking cunt of TheReapersWife, fuck off !

 

[Etoile]

Etolie, take it easy dear French star. I would have deleted the thread, if it was where I am a moderator. Since I would not accept any kind of this thread. But then again, the only socalled "gay" about the bishounen or what ever the term is called. Then some of the NON cross dressing bishonen manga dudes. They are perhaps "pretty boys" as some said. Or let us say metrosexuals for that matter or just bitchy emo assholes. Anyway who gives a flying fuck ? I don´t.

And let the fistfucking cunt of TheReapersWife, fuck off !

Wolfman, that's why you're not a moderator. No offense, but this thread is perfectly allowed in Literotica. Just because you object to the person who started it, or the topic of the thread, doesn't mean it should be removed. Moderators need to be less emotionally involved than you often are.

Your need to be constantly involved isn't necessarily contributory toward threads. For example, the post I am quoting is just about the thread itself, not the topic of the thread. Settle down, okay?

 

[Tymeless]

I see nothing closet gay about it. Then again I identify as a lesbian even though I'm still living a male life so I guess putting labels on things is just what the person who is going to be that label determines. Hmmmm here is a thought don't worry about what these girls think or care about your not the one that gets to choose who they sleep with is, they are and thats all that matters.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Wolfman, that's why you're not a moderator. No offense, but this thread is perfectly allowed in Literotica. Just because you object to the person who started it, or the topic of the thread, doesn't mean it should be removed. Moderators need to be less emotionally involved than you often are.

Your need to be constantly involved isn't necessarily contributory toward threads. For example, the post I am quoting is just about the thread itself, not the topic of the thread. Settle down, okay?

Etoile, I normally stay out of threads, when I am angry. I just curse when I am calm. But I do know how to speak properly, but to me the whole thing calling a culture gay is ticking me off. Since I see every body as a human being, and not putting labels on people. And well, being calm and still cursing is something I already can. And I do that, but just letting stuff fly by, without interfering is something you can, but I can´t yet do that. But I aim for it. Since I do know the moderators biggest role, is not being a police man. But being a helping hand with other people, being a member themselfs, and uphold the rules of the forum at the same time. And there you can either be quite strict, or more soft strict. I am of course aiming for the more soft approach to moderating, but sometimes even the most kind of people (not just moderators) in general must stomp with their feet. And shout out, that something is not right. Whether they are a moderator or not. And I believe that what the grim reapers wife said, wasn´t right at all. I just simply pulled the handle, and shot at her with the big bullets, so she understood. That calling every body (cultures people and so forth) gay, is something that I don´t think is right. And I know the (perhaps Danish) expression : Shooting birds with cannons, counter answers my intentions. But then again sometimes you do have to show some force. So people can understand, that "here are the rules, and I hope you follow them as much as possible". And you know, I admire you in your moderating style.

 

[Etoile]

Etoile, I normally stay out of threads, when I am angry. I just curse when I am calm. But I do know how to speak properly, but to me the whole thing calling a culture gay is ticking me off. Since I see every body as a human being, and not putting labels on people. And well, being calm and still cursing is something I already can. And I do that, but just letting stuff fly by, without interfering is something you can, but I can´t yet do that. But I aim for it. Since I do know the moderators biggest role, is not being a police man. But being a helping hand with other people, being a member themselfs, and uphold the rules of the forum at the same time. And there you can either be quite strict, or more soft strict. I am of course aiming for the more soft approach to moderating, but sometimes even the most kind of people (not just moderators) in general must stomp with their feet. And shout out, that something is not right. Whether they are a moderator or not. And I believe that what the grim reapers wife said, wasn´t right at all. I just simply pulled the handle, and shot at her with the big bullets, so she understood. That calling every body (cultures people and so forth) gay, is something that I don´t think is right. And I know the (perhaps Danish) expression : Shooting birds with cannons, counter answers my intentions. But then again sometimes you do have to show some force. So people can understand, that "here are the rules, and I hope you follow them as much as possible". And you know, I admire you in your moderating style.

What I'm trying to say is, this is not the place for this discussion. Consider the fact that nobody has asked for a GLBT defender. You have taken it upon yourself to get really angry every time somebody says something that might possibly be offensive. Hotheaded people don't make good moderators, and you keep saying "if I was a moderator" as if you're hoping to become one. Back down a little, tiger. People can fight their own battles.

 

[Wolfman1982]

What I'm trying to say is, this is not the place for this discussion. Consider the fact that nobody has asked for a GLBT defender. You have taken it upon yourself to get really angry every time somebody says something that might possibly be offensive. Hotheaded people don't make good moderators, and you keep saying "if I was a moderator" as if you're hoping to become one. Back down a little, tiger. People can fight their own battles.

Well, it looks like the reaperswife, has understood some of my so-called madness . And mumblings. And the little tiger is a half tiger in weight

 

[co1029]

People are NOT condiments,
They don't deserve labels!

Seriously though, men in dresses are... just that, men in dresses. Get over it. Move on.

 

[sunandshadow]

I see nothing closet gay about it. Then again I identify as a lesbian even though I'm still living a male life so I guess putting labels on things is just what the person who is going to be that label determines. Hmmmm here is a thought don't worry about what these girls think or care about your not the one that gets to choose who they sleep with is, they are and thats all that matters.

Hmm actually one could make a much stronger case for considering yaoi fangirls gay men in women's bodies than lesbians lol.

 

[TheReapersWife]

I'm a yaoi fangirl. It's simple really: like the concept that hetero men like watching two lesbians. I am not attracted to women. So in watching yaoi, I can get arousal and enjoyment out of watching both partners.

I don't understand your assertion that we could be gay men in women's bodies. That doesn't make sense. Why do I need to desire to BE a man to like yaoi? And what does lesbian have to do with it?