Geisha Identification

[rida]

#1: Geisha do not provide sexual services of any kind.
#2: Foot binding is no longer practiced in Japan or China.
#3: The Western concept of "submission" is very different from the Japanese version of submission; comparison between the two is illogical.
#4: Anyone interested in geisha should read Liza Dalby's books.

If I may add:

#5: The Western view on sex do not apply. The fact that the focus of the discussion ultimately hangs on "did they have sex or not with their customers" shows that the whole concept of Geisha is lost upon them.

I always thought foot binding was an exclusively Chinese custom. From my reading in the past I understood the Japanese outlawed it in Taiwan in the 1800's but did medical research into the effects etc., and found that binding the feet increased vaginal tightness. I never heard of it being done in Japan or by Japanese though. Learn something new everyday.

Indeed, it was a Chinese custom. It might have imported in Japan during the time when everything Chinese was considered advanced, but I have never heard of it. I'll ask my colleagues about it.

 

[SinfulSailor]

I'm not a geisha expert so just take this with that in mind. I did, however, read the above recommended "Memoirs of a Geisha" when it first came out and I think I read "Geisha" a long time ago but it's been so long I'd have to thumb through it to remember with certainty.

Re prostitution:

In "Memoirs of a Geisha" the protagonist sold her virginity for an exhorbitant price (if memory serves from my reading of it). Now if that's not prostitution in any culture just color me confused. I specifically remember that part because they made such a big deal out of how high the price was and how it wasn't the guy to whom she was most attracted who was the high bidder and bought her virginity.

Before that "cherry" night, all she ever sold was her company, her appearance, her artistic skills and her social skills. Indeed even after her cherry night most of what she sold was not literal sex acts. But! Everything about a geisha was supposed to be erotic. The color of their makeup was supposed to be erotic to Japanese. The brightly painted lips the same. Note how their kimonos are low cut at the neck and down the back and the hair is up exposing the neck and upper back. That is supposed to be erotic in Japanese eyes like the low cuts in the front and long flowing hair in our society. The tea service and serving sake and all the rituals were supposed to be subservient and have an erotic air/flair.

After a geisha sold her virginity, she accepted sexual assignations with more men, again for money. However, her prostitution was not like in a cat house where men would stand in line. It was not every night. And it cost more than just her company would cost.

Re submission:

As noted above, Japanese women in general were highly submissive. A geisha's submission was supposed to supercharged. They strove to make the man they were with feel like a king.



I totally love the whole geisha thing. I love a woman to be focused on being erotic. I love the infusion of eroticism into literally every little thing. I love ritual. I love for a woman to communicate her submission to me through purposefully having it infuse everything she does.

Often a successful geisha would eventually become the exclusive property of a patron. She, or her geisha contract, would be bought. She would then become a kept mistress. My recollection of "Memoirs of a Geisha" is that the protagonist did aspire to becoming the mistress of one of her patrons to which she was particularly attracted. If memory serves, her desire to be bought/owned and kept by that patron was thwarted, first by geisha politics and backbiting and secondly by the advent of WWII and the destruction of Japanese society and culture that losing the war brought to Japan.


I've read that the geisha of today is but a shadow and poor imitation of what a geisha once was. I can not speak to the accuracy of that, but it would stand to reason and I would not be surprised if it is completely true and accurate.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re prostitution:

In "Memoirs of a Geisha" the protagonist sold her virginity for an exhorbitant price (if memory serves from my reading of it). Now if that's not prostitution in any culture just color me confused. I specifically remember that part because they made such a big deal out of how high the price was and how it wasn't the guy to whom she was most attracted who was the high bidder and bought her virginity.

The point here is it is a work of fiction written by an American, not a non-fiction academic/factual book, nor written by someone of Japanese nationality and/or culture. IOW, you can not use it as a point of reference to support that geisha's indulge in prostitution...in fact it supports the misconceptions held as true by many westerners.

Catalina

 

[SinfulSailor]

Right. Thanks for the correction. I really did forget that. I was thinking it was more factually based.

What lead me to remember it that way was I did remember that the author was supposed to have done extensive research and based his book on a person and her life. A quick google confirms that, but it also turned up this about the woman on whose life the story was based (of which I was unaware):

"The ex-geisha, who now runs a furniture-restoration business, calls the notion that geishas are prostitutes "ridiculous," and was angered at the sex-for-money in Golden's novel. She also objected to the fact that Golden credited her as a source in his acknowledgments; she insists he had agreed to keep her identity a secret."

Found here under the title "Real Geisha, Real Story":

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,393813,00.html

Soooooo

Maybe all my impressions above are just bunk.

 

[YourCaptor]

So their has been a lot of talk about western misconceptions about the geisha, and honestly I got to say, so what.

If you perceive a geisha as being someone sexual then she is.

Everyone always gets caught up on this notion of being "multi cultural", like news reporters talking in english and suddenly they roll those r's like crazy when a spanish name comes up, its ridiculous and insulting.

Nobody is multi cultural, if you went to some sort of cannibalistic culture and you the guest of honer are suppose too kill tonights meal, you wouldn't do it just because in their culture its considered a huge honer. Truth is you are whatever you are comfortable with.

Respect others cultures, don't try to fit in.

 

[TeachMeSir]

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[catalina_francisco]

Speaking as someone who is living in another culture and married to someone of yet another culture, the pronunciation and language thing can be a very big deal and not considered in the least offensive to be able to get the correct pronunciation, and even more so, if you can adopt the relevant accent. What is often offensive is when you go into another culture and they insist on changing your name as has happened to F...and the stupid thing of it is the Dutch government only changed one letter, but in doing so gave him a name which was not his, and really had no purpose to doing so. I am often favourably complimented for getting pronunciation correct, and often even more so the accent as well, as limited as I am in the language at this point. I think offense comes in when someone insists they know how something is in another culture and refuse to listen to someone from that culture, or someone who knows it is incorrect, when they attempt to correct the misconception. I think insisting geisha's are sexual is one way of offending if it is meant that because you want to believe them to be, then as far as you are concerned they are and have that is all there is to it.

Catalina

 

[rida]

I consider myself multicultural: italian and japanese (Hubby is American). I am at the same time both and neither. I do not pretend to be what I am not. And try as much as I can to respect what I do not understand. What my experience thought me is that just because something is weird for me/where I came from, it does not mean it is weird everywhere. Chances are it is the norm somewhere else.

That being said, and back to the Geisha misconception from a Westerner perspective.

There are a lot of Hostess Bars in Tokyo. They are no where as sophisticated or formal as a Geisha house would be. But the higher ranking ones often refuse Westerner customers unless accompanied by a Japanese patron. Many Westerners see is as racism. The reality is that such establishments are generalizing from past experiences and want to avoid conflicts. The women working in such an establishment is first and foremost a companion: she pours your drink, she talk with you, she strokes your ego and she flirts with you. She acts submissive but she is not submissive to you: she at all time decides how far you can go (and sex is indeed off the menu ... she might or might not give it to you, but that is her decision and not part of the business). There are unspoken and unwritten rules that are respected at all times.

Most Westerners (hence the misconception) have this image of the Japanese woman as a total submissive that worships men. Add to that the cultural concept that a woman that works in a hostess bar and flirts with you (and makes you pay a lot of money for that ... these places are not cheap) is a should at least give you a bj, than you have a recipe for disaster.

Of course, when there is demand there is offer, so there are plenty of hostess bar that are just that: sex workers pick up fields for Westerners (Japanese prefer the Russian babes ...). Most of such places are not run by Japanese and the woman are not Japanese either, but other Asian countries (unfortunately prostitution rings taking advantage of women from poorer country are a reality ...) .And thous the misconception continues on.

There are also plenty of sex establishments run by Japanese for Japanese. They usually disguise themselves as massage parlors or bath houses.

In spite of globalization and the Americanization of the world, there is still a cultural abyss between the way sex is viewed in Japan and in the USA. Of course there are exceptions and everything, but let's not forget that one of the first and most popular plastic surgery that was introduced in Japan was reconstruction of the hymen ...

my 2 yen worth

 

[Breaker_Morant]

imen ...

hymen?

 

[YourCaptor]

I belive that if a geisha heightens your sexual apreciation of women, if that is your kink, then that is wonderful. AS long as you do not expect them to be providers of sexual services.

If you view the sole purpose of a geisha to be for sexual satisfaction, then you misunderstand the art. And I agree that we cannot claim to be multi-cultural, and that in fact some aspects of a culture may be compromised to their detriment if they try & incorporate too many cultures. Respect for another culture is very important. Some may even find it offensive if you tried to fit in. However I am concerned that a statement like "geishas are sexual" implies that perhaps there is an expectation that they are to rpovide sexual services. This is disrespectful, shows a less than clear understanding of their role in their culture, and goes back to the point made a few times in this thread that Western men, no matter how respectful they believe they are, have no appreciation of geisha.

If this was not your intent, if you were merely refering to the arts being something that inspired you to revere geisha and their role, then I apologise, no offense was meant.

Well, by saying geishas are sexual I wasn’t referring to any actual act of sex. Maybe it would do better to say they are sensual.

Basically a geisha is half sex appeal, and half charisma, or so they are suppose to appear because really they are 100% act.

Sex with such a hostess is not just a western thing though, just look at kyabakura clubs as rida has already mentioned.

Speaking as someone who is living in another culture and married to someone of yet another culture, the pronunciation and language thing can be a very big deal and not considered in the least offensive to be able to get the correct pronunciation, and even more so, if you can adopt the relevant accent. What is often offensive is when you go into another culture and they insist on changing your name as has happened to F...and the stupid thing of it is the Dutch government only changed one letter, but in doing so gave him a name which was not his, and really had no purpose to doing so. I am often favourably complimented for getting pronunciation correct, and often even more so the accent as well, as limited as I am in the language at this point. I think offense comes in when someone insists they know how something is in another culture and refuse to listen to someone from that culture, or someone who knows it is incorrect, when they attempt to correct the misconception. I think insisting geisha's are sexual is one way of offending if it is meant that because you want to believe them to be, then as far as you are concerned they are and have that is all there is to it.

Catalina

You’re looking at this backwards, say F goes into the dutch culture, he should keep his name, show everyone how to say it, just do what he likes. However it would be wrong to expect all dutch to know how to say his name, its just not part of their culture.

What would be offensive is if F goes into the dutch culture, and everyone greets him as if they understand his culture perfectly.

I consider myself multicultural: italian and japanese (Hubby is American). I am at the same time both and neither. I do not pretend to be what I am not. And try as much as I can to respect what I do not understand. What my experience thought me is that just because something is weird for me/where I came from, it does not mean it is weird everywhere. Chances are it is the norm somewhere else.

That being said, and back to the Geisha misconception from a Westerner perspective.

There are a lot of Hostess Bars in Tokyo. They are no where as sophisticated or formal as a Geisha house would be. But the higher ranking ones often refuse Westerner customers unless accompanied by a Japanese patron. Many Westerners see is as racism. The reality is that such establishments are generalizing from past experiences and want to avoid conflicts. The women working in such an establishment is first and foremost a companion: she pours your drink, she talk with you, she strokes your ego and she flirts with you. She acts submissive but she is not submissive to you: she at all time decides how far you can go (and sex is indeed off the menu ... she might or might not give it to you, but that is her decision and not part of the business). There are unspoken and unwritten rules that are respected at all times.

Most Westerners (hence the misconception) have this image of the Japanese woman as a total submissive that worships men. Add to that the cultural concept that a woman that works in a hostess bar and flirts with you (and makes you pay a lot of money for that ... these places are not cheap) is a should at least give you a bj, than you have a recipe for disaster.

Of course, when there is demand there is offer, so there are plenty of hostess bar that are just that: sex workers pick up fields for Westerners (Japanese prefer the Russian babes ...). Most of such places are not run by Japanese and the woman are not Japanese either, but other Asian countries (unfortunately prostitution rings taking advantage of women from poorer country are a reality ...) .And thous the misconception continues on.

There are also plenty of sex establishments run by Japanese for Japanese. They usually disguise themselves as massage parlors or bath houses.

In spite of globalization and the Americanization of the world, there is still a cultural abyss between the way sex is viewed in Japan and in the USA. Of course there are exceptions and everything, but let's not forget that one of the first and most popular plastic surgery that was introduced in Japan was reconstruction of the hymen ...

my 2 yen worth

Thats how I feel, culturally I would be german-american, but that becomes a culture of its own.

When cultures meet its not always pretty, but can you really expect everyone to agree. Respect is the key, not masks.

 

[Netzach]

So their has been a lot of talk about western misconceptions about the geisha, and honestly I got to say, so what.

If you perceive a geisha as being someone sexual then she is.

Everyone always gets caught up on this notion of being "multi cultural", like news reporters talking in english and suddenly they roll those r's like crazy when a spanish name comes up, its ridiculous and insulting.

Nobody is multi cultural, if you went to some sort of cannibalistic culture and you the guest of honer are suppose too kill tonights meal, you wouldn't do it just because in their culture its considered a huge honer. Truth is you are whatever you are comfortable with.

Respect others cultures, don't try to fit in.

How is understanding accurately rather than saying "my fantasy of this is enough, I don't need fact" trying to be anything?

Why should I pronounce French words incorrectly if I know how to do it correctly simply because I'm a native English speaker?

 

[Netzach]

I consider myself multicultural: italian and japanese (Hubby is American). I am at the same time both and neither. I do not pretend to be what I am not. And try as much as I can to respect what I do not understand. What my experience thought me is that just because something is weird for me/where I came from, it does not mean it is weird everywhere. Chances are it is the norm somewhere else.

That being said, and back to the Geisha misconception from a Westerner perspective.

There are a lot of Hostess Bars in Tokyo. They are no where as sophisticated or formal as a Geisha house would be. But the higher ranking ones often refuse Westerner customers unless accompanied by a Japanese patron. Many Westerners see is as racism. The reality is that such establishments are generalizing from past experiences and want to avoid conflicts. The women working in such an establishment is first and foremost a companion: she pours your drink, she talk with you, she strokes your ego and she flirts with you. She acts submissive but she is not submissive to you: she at all time decides how far you can go (and sex is indeed off the menu ... she might or might not give it to you, but that is her decision and not part of the business). There are unspoken and unwritten rules that are respected at all times.

Most Westerners (hence the misconception) have this image of the Japanese woman as a total submissive that worships men. Add to that the cultural concept that a woman that works in a hostess bar and flirts with you (and makes you pay a lot of money for that ... these places are not cheap) is a should at least give you a bj, than you have a recipe for disaster.

Of course, when there is demand there is offer, so there are plenty of hostess bar that are just that: sex workers pick up fields for Westerners (Japanese prefer the Russian babes ...). Most of such places are not run by Japanese and the woman are not Japanese either, but other Asian countries (unfortunately prostitution rings taking advantage of women from poorer country are a reality ...) .And thous the misconception continues on.

There are also plenty of sex establishments run by Japanese for Japanese. They usually disguise themselves as massage parlors or bath houses.

In spite of globalization and the Americanization of the world, there is still a cultural abyss between the way sex is viewed in Japan and in the USA. Of course there are exceptions and everything, but let's not forget that one of the first and most popular plastic surgery that was introduced in Japan was reconstruction of the hymen ...

my 2 yen worth

I remember seeing some avant-garde film from Japan, by a Japanese filmmaker dealing with mother-son dynamics.

It was interesting to say the least, and certainly gave the lie to the fantasies Westerners have of powerless Japanese females.

 

[catalina_francisco]

You’re looking at this backwards, say F goes into the dutch culture, he should keep his name, show everyone how to say it, just do what he likes. However it would be wrong to expect all dutch to know how to say his name, its just not part of their culture.

What would be offensive is if F goes into the dutch culture, and everyone greets him as if they understand his culture perfectly.

Well see we disagree on this as I really don't see that anyone would find Francesco any easier to understand or pronounce then his birth name, Francisco. The belief I grew up with about NL being culturally accepting has slowly been eroded since living here, and has been supported by the number of Dutch I know or know of who say that it is one of the reasons they no longer live here. What astounds me is that the racism runs to cover everyone no matter of colour, religion, language...it seems for many (though I am finding it is also particular to areas of NL, not in general), and many in power, if you are not full blood Dutch, you are not worthy of respect or even living in their country. Thank the universe I have met some full blood Dutch who are just as saddened and angered by this mentality and do not support it, but more and more it is becoming a strong political issue here and growing. Changing a person's name is just one subtle way of doing it. Xenophobia is an ugly thing.

As for expecting anyone to fully understand another's culture, I once again think you miss the point. You can never fully understand it like the person from that culture, but respecting it and them is a whole different thing and doesn't even require you understand an ounce of their culture. Accepting a person's difference and allowing them to maintain that difference as opposed to trying to change them into being someone they aren't, or how you want to believe they are, is not respecting. Similarly, if you know how their name is pronounced in their culture, why not give them the respect of at least attempting to pronounce it correctly, even if you don't get it right...most people will laugh with you, not at you, and will also feel you accept them as they are.

Catalina

 

[YourCaptor]

How is understanding accurately rather than saying "my fantasy of this is enough, I don't need fact" trying to be anything?

Why should I pronounce French words incorrectly if I know how to do it correctly simply because I'm a native English speaker?

Its perception of fact, not fantasy.

And to switch to french in order to pronounce one word in the middle of an english sentence is just silly unless you are talking to someone who also knows both languages. The mispronunciation of words from other languages are part of the language too.

Well see we disagree on this as I really don't see that anyone would find Francesco any easier to understand or pronounce then his birth name, Francisco. The belief I grew up with about NL being culturally accepting has slowly been eroded since living here, and has been supported by the number of Dutch I know or know of who say that it is one of the reasons they no longer live here. What astounds me is that the racism runs to cover everyone no matter of colour, religion, language...it seems for many (though I am finding it is also particular to areas of NL, not in general), and many in power, if you are not full blood Dutch, you are not worthy of respect or even living in their country. Thank the universe I have met some full blood Dutch who are just as saddened and angered by this mentality and do not support it, but more and more it is becoming a strong political issue here and growing. Changing a person's name is just one subtle way of doing it. Xenophobia is an ugly thing.

Your rejection of racist dutch areas is a rejection of their culture. You would never try to understand what it is they believe, you only go with your own perception of what they do and say it is wrong. This just shows that we are not multi cultural and can never be.

As for expecting anyone to fully understand another's culture, I once again think you miss the point. You can never fully understand it like the person from that culture, but respecting it and them is a whole different thing and doesn't even require you understand an ounce of their culture. Accepting a person's difference and allowing them to maintain that difference as opposed to trying to change them into being someone they aren't, or how you want to believe they are, is not respecting. Similarly, if you know how their name is pronounced in their culture, why not give them the respect of at least attempting to pronounce it correctly, even if you don't get it right...most people will laugh with you, not at you, and will also feel you accept them as they are.

Catalina

I am confused about the part I put in bold.

I will still try to address your point though. When you pronounce someones name incorrectly in your own tongue it does not imply disrespect, it is simply using your language. To try to pronounce someones name in their tongue has no value unless you are talking to them directly, in their language, or if they have corrected you.

 

[Netzach]

Its perception of fact, not fantasy.

And to switch to french in order to pronounce one word in the middle of an english sentence is just silly unless you are talking to someone who also knows both languages. The mispronunciation of words from other languages are part of the language too.

We'll have to disagree on silliness. Feigning ignorance of something you are not ignorant of so other people can feel better about themselves is silly.

 

[Her_Corruptor]

So back to the topic at hand,


Geisha training would benefit any submissive in my opinion for public presentation, entertaining and placement. If the opportunity ever comes to pass where my engelchen can take formal lessons and training as a geisha I will provide the chance for it to happen. Even now she serves me by always filling my drinks, clearing plates, cleaning up after me, offering me anything I might need or want at any time and being available to do what ever I ask of her at any given moment. While the artistic side of formal Geisha trainings in fact lovely, I would prefer it to be merely an extension of her already extremely subservient nature. honing her talents, yes?

 

[FurryFury]

We'll have to disagree on silliness. Feigning ignorance of something you are not ignorant of so other people can feel better about themselves is silly.

I agree.

Knowledge is important. Knowledge wants to be free and spread. Trying to hold it back is pure folly.

 

[BiBunny]

Even now she serves me by always filling my drinks, clearing plates, cleaning up after me, offering me anything I might need or want at any time and being available to do what ever I ask of her at any given moment.

See, I never understood referring to these things as "submission." To me, they're just good manners, particularly when one has a guest in one's home. It's kind of like when subs say, "Oh, I always wait for him to eat before I take my first bite." Errr, doesn't everyone do that? The guest of honor eats before anyone else does, and one's Master would always be considered the guest of honor, no? Or am I some weird kind of throwback? I know I've scolded ex-boyfriends in the past for eating their food in a restaurant before everyone else's plates have arrived. It's just good manners and good taste. Maybe I'm just odd, but submission, to me, is going above and beyond the call of duty, so to speak.

 

[intothewoods]

See, I never understood referring to these things as "submission." To me, they're just good manners, particularly when one has a guest in one's home. It's kind of like when subs say, "Oh, I always wait for him to eat before I take my first bite." Errr, doesn't everyone do that? The guest of honor eats before anyone else does, and one's Master would always be considered the guest of honor, no? Or am I some weird kind of throwback? I know I've scolded ex-boyfriends in the past for eating their food in a restaurant before everyone else's plates have arrived. It's just good manners and good taste. Maybe I'm just odd, but submission, to me, is going above and beyond the call of duty, so to speak.

I'm with you. That is good manners.

The table service thing does kind of get me though. Not D/s related. Just in general, I always forget which way to pass the food. I had a friend who always barked at me about it.

I remember reading about D/s dinner parties, where the subs all serve food to their dominants or something. Of course, when I cook dinner, I generally serve it! So I don't quite understand the fuss there.

I believe Geisha pour tea, and serve food, but they're not exactly servants, clearing dishes and all that. Gee, maybe I can relate to a Geisha! I'll do all of the service with flourish, and look pretty, and someone else can do dishes and clear plates.

 

[FurryFury]

I agree about the good manners!

 

[A Desert Rose]

I just want to get better at identifying as me. I have a hard enough time with that.

 

[rida]

I remember seeing some avant-garde film from Japan, by a Japanese filmmaker dealing with mother-son dynamics.

It was interesting to say the least, and certainly gave the lie to the fantasies Westerners have of powerless Japanese females.

Yep. There is even a caricature of the though old-lady called OBATARIAN. LOL
You surely do not want to be on their wrong side.

Bi Bunny, intothewoods, FurryFury I am with you with the good manner.
Having an American husband I also got to experience some cultural dissonance regarding the concept of "serving". To my Hubby, getting him a drink while I was getting my own was serving, to me it was just being polite.

So I can see why all the attention that a Geisha would provide can be misinterpreted as being submissive, if you are from a society where those acts are not normally performed. When it came to serving their patron in way such as pouring drinks and so fort, Geisha were not been any more submissive than any average woman in any average household would have been (maybe even less as the clean up was not part of their duty). And just because they were enduring hard training in arts and manner, that in itself did not make them submissive either. From being part Japanese, I'll go as far as to say that I do not think most Geisha were submissive at all. They might have acted submissive, but they were not submitting. I guess we could use the word bottoming, although all this BDSM definitions are a bit forced. After all, it was their job to please their customer. And they were just doing their job with pride and in a way that would make their house proud.

 

[DreamSensualist]

Geisha Consciousness

*Kneels to slide the door open, enters, gracefully turn back to the door to respectfully slide closed and takes position beside you*

There is something so ethereal about Geisha identification that it seems at times unattainable. Their movements are measured, deliberate, leisurely. Their attitude serene, imperturbable, and prideful.

The Tea Ceremony is a practice of deportment. Each utensil is ritualistically cleaned in the presence of the guest. Before they are placed in just the exact arrangement according to the ritual. Everything perfect before the tea is even prepared, using set movements, precise procedures and attention to detail. Extreme reverence is given to each item, each step, and the ritual of the tea ceremony.

Similarly, flower arranging has complex rules, motivations & like the tea ceremony has its roots in the Buddhist faith. From the outside, if we were permitted to observe these rituals I am sure that the grace with which they move, the dedication to beauty and their ability to fascinate us would engage us, possible inspire us to emulate as much of their consciousness as we could.

Geisha’s conversation skills are honed to a skill. With an unassuming manner they will engage their clients. Endeavoring to relax them, entice into witty banter without any overtures beyond harmless & enticing flirtation and hold the attention of their clients. Most importantly perhaps, knowing when they are to withdraw an appropriate distance, while still being available for service during times of negotiations between business colleagues.

The Geisha is an artist. A performer of the tea ceremony, flower arrangement as well as excellence on a musical instrument, or perhaps the fortunate possessor of an extraordinary singing voice. Perhaps most recognized is the requirement to perform an exacting, veracious and titillating dance. Perhaps by herself, or as part of a performance. The dance tells a story, holds the attention, entertains, and provides a focus and a distraction for the clients.

What captivates me is their preparation. The dedication & time spent dressing. From the make-up, to the hair to the final robbing. There is an attention to detail that I admire. The make-up on the back of the neck done in such a way as to show just a patch of naked skin. Flesh that is alluring, and yet speaks volumes to the deportment and class, the unattainably and pride that a Geisha holds.

 

[DreamSensualist]

My Identification

But how am I to incorporate this in my service? This is the question. I am naturally rambunctious. I have a “spirit” about me that I do not want to hide, and yet I long to worship & service him in this disarming way. I have no heritage that gives me the right to claim a Geisha Consciousness, but I do have the inner desire to serve and so emulate the my identification of the Geisha into my submission to him. And so I have started to ponder exactly how I would do this, in a way that is my own, our own way of loving.

Let me give an example. A ritualistic washing. Please imagine that I have somehow shifted out of my rambunctiousness and am in a more gentle, pensive & “adoring” mood.

Many of the tasks I would need to perform would be in preparation. The drawing of the bath, ensuring that the water was hot, scalding hot because I know he likes to see the steam rise from his skin, and because I don’t want the water to cool to a chilly temperature before I have finished. Lighting of the candles, with a soft vanilla scent, noting too overpowering though, as well as burning sandalwood incense. Turning on some soft background music, possible even just the sound of rain or waves. And I of course would not forget to make sure that I was presented appropriately; if he wished to look upon me that I must be a vision worth beholding. This is about him, and as such everything must be to his liking, including me. Ensuring that I have everything I need close at hand. While I would be excited to be able to offer him this service, I would set myself enough time, be sure that I could be prepared in time, and use this opportunity to slowly slip into a mind space where the only part of the world that existed for me was the bathroom and him.

Although I have imagined segments of this in details, others less clear, I will not take you through all of the steps. Just know that every action, movement & thought would be studied, calm, focused on him.

I would undress him, slowly & sensually, kneeling before him to remove his jeans form around his feet & placing his garments neatly to the side. Kiss the memorabilia that he wears on a chain around his neck before slipping it over his head and reverently placing that also to the side.

The water is clear and steamy as he slowly sinks into it, letting his skin build a tolerance to the heat. As he lays back and closes his eyes I take a shower puff and later it with a soft subtle soap, no overpowering scent, just a fresh warm aroma to delight him. Special attention would be paid to every part of his body, his feet & toes, making sure not to miss along the sides of his ribs and down his back. Then taking an urn of some sort I would pour clean water over his body to rinse away the suds. I would ensure that I did this on a regular basis to keep his skin steamy & warm. Once he was clean & relaxed I would see to his comfort, using folded towels to support his neck of need be, and position myself so that I could give him a long, slow & through scalp massage, circling his temples with my fingertips, stroking his jaw line, pulling the tension back from his forehead and applying pressure along his neck at the base of his skull and down his vertebrae.

Before he fell asleep I would help him step out & cover him with the largest fluffy bath sheet I could find, holding the warmth in his body. With another towel I would dry every inch of his body, kneeling to dry his legs, and standing behind him, my body pressed against his to dry the nape of his neck.
Leading him to his bed I would pull back the covers that I had placed so I could do so gracefully, and once he was settled, slip unassumingly in beside him, snuggling & making small comfort noises just to be so close to him.

 

[Netzach]

I've got it. Bushido for male subs. Tea ceremony, spiny armor and all.