Obama's speech on race

[Faneros]

Proof?

you're kidding, right?

 

[busybody..]

no

he

isnt

that the DUMB part

 

[Faneros]

And anyone who's against it hasn't ever tried to raise a family on it... That much I can guarantee.

"I'd like to pay you more, but legally, this is the least I can give you".

your point has nothing to do with raising the minimum wage, WTF??

 

[isthisdesire]

Obama sat for 20 years -- silent -- and listened to divisive, hate-drenched, racist rants.

it is ridiculous to argue about this. no one can prove he heard every sermon and no one can prove he didn't.

the thing is, IT DOESN'T MATTER. what Wright thinks is not automatically what Obama thinks. Obama is responsible for what he, and he alone, says.

get past it, for fuck's sake.

 

[busybody..]

it is ridiculous to argue about this. no one can prove he heard every sermon and no one can prove he didn't.

the thing is, IT DOESN'T MATTER. what Wright thinks is not automatically what Obama thinks. Obama is responsible for what he, and he alone, says.

get past it, for fuck's sake.

Loser retard!

 

[isthisdesire]

Loser retard!

oh good argument.

 

[phrodeau]

Comparing a pastor's sermons to "divisive, hate-drenched, racist rants" is particularly odious.

 

[77817]

it is ridiculous to argue about this. no one can prove he heard every sermon and no one can prove he didn't.

the thing is, IT DOESN'T MATTER. what Wright thinks is not automatically what Obama thinks. Obama is responsible for what he, and he alone, says.

get past it, for fuck's sake.

That is the most ignorant post ever posted on this board.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Comparing a pastor's sermons to "divisive, hate-drenched, racist rants" is particularly odious.

If we're talking about Wright, it's not a comparison.
Description would be the word you're looking for.

 

[isthisdesire]

That is the most ignorant post ever posted on this board.

either clarify or shut the fuck up.

 

[busybody..]

oh good argument.

there needs to be NO clarification

for your RETARDED post

to have said what you did

makes you a LOSER RETARD!

 

[isthisdesire]

there needs to be NO clarification

for your RETARDED post

to have said what you did

makes you a LOSER RETARD!

because I think people shouldn't be held responsible for things they haven't said?
yeah, that's radical.

 

[busybody..]

because I think people shouldn't be held responsible for things they haven't said?
yeah, that's radical.

No

because you are a NAIVE bufoon

and silly simpleton

and

in context of politics

a LOSER RETARD!

 

[busybody..]

because I think people shouldn't be held responsible for things they haven't said?
yeah, that's radical.

Interests:

dumb shit

You have mastered it well

you have a PhD in it!

 

[Karen Kraft]

Oh

My

GOD !!!!

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There must be ten times the number of words in this thread as were in Senator Obama's freaking speech!

 

[isthisdesire]

No

because you are a NAIVE bufoon

and silly simpleton

and

in context of politics

a LOSER RETARD!

why? can you even tell me? or do you just have names to throw around? I see why the "dumbs" hate you righties. you have no valid argument, just insults. boring.

 

[miles]

Just so's you'll know, the Rev. Wright deal did not slow down Obama. He recieved $40million from new/small donations in March. This guy is on a roll. Ready or not I say he is the next President of the US. If you right wing retards don't like it you only have yourselves to blame. McCain raised eleven million last month. He can't get anyone to give him money.

Better to be a "right wing retard" than a racist in liberal drag.

Go back in your hole.

 

[Lost Cause]

BHO's and Wright's message is as old as time...

http://www.jewishmag.com/116mag/chuckmorse/469ce36b.jpg

 

[busybody..]

why? can you even tell me? or do you just have names to throw around? I see why the "dumbs" hate you righties. you have no valid argument, just insults. boring.

silly naive simpleton

explanations ONLY work

when its given to someone with a BRAIN!

retards dont get it, dont understand

Go away

FOOL!

 

[isthisdesire]

silly naive simpleton

explanations ONLY work

when its given to someone with a BRAIN!

retards dont get it, dont understand

Go away

FOOL!

go away because you have no rebuttal. I see. very clever.

 

[Faneros]

it is ridiculous to argue about this. no one can prove he heard every sermon and no one can prove he didn't.

the thing is, IT DOESN'T MATTER. what Wright thinks is not automatically what Obama thinks. Obama is responsible for what he, and he alone, says.

get past it, for fuck's sake.

Thats just it, it does matter! Not to you of course. We don't have that much to go on with regards to O'bama, we have to judge him on things such as this.

So you're telling me, for 20 years being associated with this church, O'bama didn’t attend one sermon, didn't hear from one member, didn't listen to one tape on the ramblings of a sicko like Rev Wright??

 

[isthisdesire]

Thats just it, it does matter! Not to you of course. We don't have that much to go on with regards to O'bama, we have to judge him on things such as this.

So you're telling me, for 20 years being associated with this church, O'bama didn’t attend one sermon, didn't hear from one member, didn't listen to one tape on the ramblings of a sicko like Rev Wright??

I would never suggest such a thing, and haven't. reading is good. try it?

and no, it does not matter. I don't agree with half of what the pastor I had growing up said, but he baptized me and he'll most likely marry me to my husband when the time comes. I would hate for someone to think I agree with everything he says. I think most people who go to any church would feel the same way.

you do not "have to" judge him on "things such as this" and it's absolutely wrong to. judge him for who he is, what he says, what he thinks. that is who he is. assuming he is the same as every person he's associated with is completely idiotic.

 

[phrodeau]

Thats just it, it does matter! Not to you of course. We don't have that much to go on with regards to O'bama, we have to judge him on things such as this.

So you're telling me, for 20 years being associated with this church, O'bama didn’t attend one sermon, didn't hear from one member, didn't listen to one tape on the ramblings of a sicko like Rev Wright??

Are you familiar with the term "McCarthyism"?

 

[busybody..]

I would never suggest such a thing, and haven't. reading is good. try it?

and no, it does not matter. I don't agree with half of what the pastor I had growing up said, but he baptized me and he'll most likely marry me to my husband when the time comes. I would hate for someone to think I agree with everything he says. I think most people who go to any church would feel the same way.

you do not "have to" judge him on "things such as this" and it's absolutely wrong to. judge him for who he is, what he says, what he thinks. that is who he is. assuming he is the same as every person he's associated with is completely idiotic.

see this shows you indeed dont get it at all

any attempt at explanations would fly over your head

you are a naive simpleton fool


and you BIO speaks aptly of you

 

[busybody..]

Barack Obama’s Typical Awful White Grandmother
By Uppity WomancloseAuthor: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
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About: See Authors Posts (8) on April 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM in Barack Obama, Race, Race Card, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

You know her now. The Grandmother.
The Typical White Woman who “helped to raise” poor Barack Obama.
The one that he would like to disown but he just can’t, right?

The one he threw under the bus in sacrifice to the potty-mouth Reverend “Goddamn America” Wright.

“I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe”.

Those are very strong words, aren’t they? Being curious (garlic-nosed women are allowed to be curious, aren’t they?), I wanted to check out Barack Obama’s Typical White Woman Grandmother. I wanted to know what his grandmother did for him that wasn’t as good as what Jeremiah Wright did for him. I wanted to know what his Typical White Woman Grandmother did to him that warranted putting her in the same category with a hate-monger.

I wanted to know what that Typical White Woman Grandmother did to him that encouraged Barry Obama to think he should even discuss the potential of disowning her (….but I can’t….I just cannn’t!).

I keep asking myself what exactly were you saying here, Barry? You can pick your friends but you can’t pick your relatives? What exactly did your Typical White Woman Grandmother do that made her deserving of being placed into the same category with a miserable racist who says Goddamn America and spews hatred from the pulpit? Sound bites. Sorry, I mean he spews hatred in sound bites. Well actually, he isn’t spewing anything right now, since he seems to be lying really really low in wait, filling his time in building his million-dollar home.

OK, so exactly who was this terrible grandmother that Barack Obama loves in spite of who she is? I won’t bore you with too many early historic details that nobody cares about at this point. That would remind you of the person who rips out his wallet and you are stuck looking at a boatload of ugly kids’ pictures hanging down from a plastic carrier. Or going to somebody’s home and being forced to watch videos of their trip with the kids to Waterworld or something. And God knows, Obama has bored us with his fictional rendition of his life details often enough.

Her maiden name was Madelyn Lee Payne and she was born of a white collar family in Kansas. She married a furniture salesman named Stanley Armour Dunham, much to her parents’ disapproval.

Stanley enlisted in the army after Pearl Harbor and Madelyn worked on the Boeing Assembly line as an Inspector. To be sure they struggled as so many, including my parents, did during the war. Of course Barry wasn’t born yet so I don’t imagine the struggle is burned into his personal memory bank, although perhaps in his next Memoir, he will find a way. God knows he is very good at making things up as he goes along.

Barry’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was born in 1942. But they called her Ann. The family moved around a bit, having lived in the states of California, Texas, Kansas and Washington. Stanley managed furniture stores, while Madelyn worked in restaurants. Madelyn attended the University of California-Berkley while in California and the University of Washington while in Seattle. In Seattle, Stanley managed a large furniture store and Madelyn went to work for a bank.

When Stanley found a better furniture store opportunity, they moved to Hawaii. Madelyn found a position at the Bank of Hawaii in 1960. The Bank of Hawaii was the Number One bank on the Islands at the time. In 1970, Madelyn became the first female Bank Of Hawaii Vice President. Overall I would say Madelyn was a go-getter wouldn’t you? Madelyn was a go-getter wouldn’t you? I wonder how well she would have done under an Obama Presidency? Or how she would fare if she were running against him?

Barry’s future mother attended the University of Hawaii, where she met Barack Hussein Obama-the-First, a Kenyan graduate student at the University. Stanley and Madelyn were not thrilled that she married him, especially considering Barack Hussein Obama-The-First’s Kenyan father sent the Dunhams “this long, nasty letter saying that he didn’t approve of the marriage.” According to Obama in his Memoir, False Memories of Simply Everything Dreams of My Father, his mother told him he “Didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman.” Of course, given the fact that other details of his book have been merilessly debunked, it’s hard to know if this actually happened or if Barry pulled this detail out of an orifice. Frankly, I am not sure which is more frightening–that it happened–or that Barry fantasized that it happened.

(Uppity Note: Swell. What if the guy has a Jones about white women. Now I KNOW I wouldn’t have a prayer under Barack Obama. Good thing it’s never going to happen because It’s The Women, Stupid.)

After Ann’s marriage to Barack-Obama-The-First failed and he left her and little Barry, Ann remarried. Barack spent four years with his mother and her second husband in Indonesia. At that time, one account says that Barry’s mother Ann was an anthropologist employed on development projects in Indonesia and around the world helping women obtain microfinance. The Chicago Tribune has her working at the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta. In any event, but for the fact that Indonesia wasn’t exactly a modern country, it’s pretty safe to say that Barack probably wasn’t exactly scrounging for food like so many American children are doing today as we speak.

Barack Obama voluntarily returned to Hawaii at age 10 to live with the Dunhams in their highrise apartment. Let me repeat that. Barack Obama chose to go to Hawaii because he wanted to live there instead of Indonesia. In other words, his Grandparents did him a favor. He also got to pick the school he attended - the private Punahou School in Honolulu. The kid had it really bad with his Typical White Woman Grandmother I tell you!
In Memories I Pulled Out of My Ass Dreams Of My Father, grateful Barry, who went to live with his grandparents by his own request because he didn’t want to stay in Indonesia, writes,

“I’d arrived at an unspoken pact with my grandparents: I could live with them and they’d leave me alone so long as I kept my trouble out of sight.”


As I considered that remark, I kept asking myself what exactly his nasty grandparents might have done with Barry’s “trouble“? I mean, what did they do, Barry? Lock you in the basement? Ignore you? It must have been pretty bad right? I mean, why else would Barack compare his grandmother to that Man of Hate God Wright?

I decided to check out what people who were actually there with Barry, people who weren’t making money off of a book, had to say about Barry at that time. I wanted to understand exactly how much Barry’s “trouble” troubled the Typical White Woman, how much of it was his typical white grandmother’s fault that he should cite her all these years later in comparison to a potty-mouth like Reverend Wright.

SusanUnPC explains Obama’s penchant for story prevarication, so I suggest you read that piece to understand exactly what a liar Obama really is. I will just encapsulate though: Much of what Barry has to say in I Want To Be President So I Think I will Write a Phony Biography Dreams Of My Father is, as his former classmate Ray says, “Bull“. This kind of makes it hard to believe barry’s remarks on national TV when he sacrificed his grandmother for Jeremiah Wright. Go ahead, read it. I’ll wait.

Now, back to our story.

Let’s take a look at Barry’s description of his Typical White Woman Grandmother and compare it to what others who were there at the time had to say:

In his fictional account biographical book, Barry describes his Grandmother Madelyn as “suspicious of overwrought sentiments or overblown claims, content with common sense.”

That explains it!

Grandma had common sense!

She was suspicious of overblown claims! Kind of like the overblown claims in Obama’s book and on the stump. Let’s fry that old woman on the National Stage to save our ass right now!

But wait! Let’s take a comparison look at how Barry’s friends at school perceived how Stanley and Madelyn the Typical White Woman actually treated Barry Obama and his “trouble”:


“A close friend of Obama’s from their teenage years, Greg Orme, spent so much time with Dunham that he, too, called him “Gramps.” Orme recalled that years later, at Obama’s wedding reception in Chicago, Obama brought the crowd to tears when he spoke of his recently deceased maternal grandfather and how he made a little boy with an absent father feel as though he was never alone.

Madelyn Dunham, a rising executive at the Bank of Hawaii during Obama’s Punahou days, was more reserved but seemed to love having her grandson’s friends over to play and hang out.

“Those were robust years full of energy and cacophony, and
she loved all of it,” Soetoro-Ng said of her grandmother, who has lived alone since her husband died in 1992.”


Shame on Obama’s grandmother! Obviously she deserved to be sacrificed on national television in a speech that was supposed to address Jeremiah Wright’s foul-mouthed I-Hate-You-All speaking problem, but instead turned out to be a chastising speech on racism, thus making Jeremiah’s bilious behavior the fault of every white American left on earth–including Obama’s grandmother. Seems fair!

None of this seems to add up does it? During his skewering of his elderly Grandmother on National TV, Barack Obama told us another one of his stories about his Typical White Woman Grandmother who broke his heart when she was afraid of a black man she thought might hit her over the head, or some such crap. Give me one good reason why I shouldn’t be convinced that Barack Obama prevaricated this story about his grandmother and the black man just like he made up the story about the nonexistant Life Magazine photo of a black man who had destroyed his skin with powerful chemical lighteners that promised to make him white? (Obama calls this nonexistent Life Magazine photo a moment of “revelation”. Does this not just make you shiver just a wee tad?)

I suggest that poor Madelyn, who did everything she could for Barry-The-Ingrate, would say today, Barry You Are Full Of It if she were to speak. How upset and disappointed she must be, at a time of her old age and infirmity, to have been victimized on national television by an ambitious Barack Obama.

“In a striking snapshot with his grandparents, Stanley smiles proudly while Madelyn hugs him fiercely, as though she doesn’t want to let him go forth into a world far from the remote island that for so long had been his home.”

Where is the shame? Your “trouble” was you.

But plenty of us already knew that. I wonder if you ever even call her. I see you hauled the poor woman out for a new TV ad, so I guess you did call her recently. So much for that “unspoken” agreement about hiding your “trouble,” eh Barack?

References:

The Not So Simple Story Of Barack Obama’s Youth (A Must Read!]

Dunham’s Wikipedia biography

NoQuarter: Obama’s Books: Composite Characters and False Memories