NY Gov Spitzer linked to prostitution

[sr71plt]

They tend to be men who have to pay for sex.

Which brings us back to the topic:

As I understand it, the governor's problems stem from his having transported his prostitute across state lines. That was irresponsible; buying local reduces the carbon footprint.

Technically he did buy local--both she and he were from New York--he just didn't use locally. They "met" in Washington.

 

[shereads]

Technically he did buy local--both she and he were from New York--he just didn't use locally. They "met" in Washington.

At least he buys American. He could have spent a lot less if he had outsourced.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Technically he did buy local--both she and he were from New York--he just didn't use locally. They "met" in Washington.

He probably violated the Mann Act if he helped a prostitute cross state lines to have sex with her. At the same time, the Mann Act may have been amended since t last time I thought about it.

 

[sr71plt]

At least he buys American. He could have spent a lot less if he had outsourced.

I doubt that right at the moment--considering the present worth of the dollar.

(And wouldn't his wife think he was outsourcing?)

 

[sr71plt]

He probably violated the Mann Act if he helped a prostitute cross state lines to have sex with her. At the same time, the Mann Act may have been amended since t last time I thought about it.

Yeah, probably, but he didn't start moving into a legal problem on the basis of the sex--the Feds are looking for where the money came from--and going (and originally thought they were pursuing a graft issue). This story might become a whole lot dicier in days to come.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I wasn't referring to LBJ. Good lord, I don't have to go that far back! What the hell do you think Bush has done?

I know you're not quite that dense, Box.

Well, you did refer to sombody being "hounded out of office" and that only happened to one person, although Lying Boy Johnson wasn't too far from it.

What I said about LBJ in that post was pretty much the truth.

I wish you would concede that Clinton was impeached NOT because he got some extracurricular sex, but because he lied under oath, which is a serious felony, especially for a lawyer.

I did read a few moralizers saying he should be impeached for having extramarital sex, but nobody took them seriously.

 

[cloudy]

He wasn't impeached - he served out his term.

 

[DesertPirate]

He wasn't impeached - he served out his term.

He was Impeached, just not convicted.
Impeachment is bringing charges in the House, that results in a trial in the Senate.
Think of impeachment by the House as being similar to indictment by a grand jury.

Someone has to fill in for Ami

 

[sr71plt]

"Served his term" doesn't have much meaning for either LBJ or Clinton. LBJ was, in fact, hounded out of the White House by reaction to the war. He had every intention of serving another term and had the party machinery in his pocket--and he had his legislative agenda set up to extend into the second term. He was hounded by forces external to the renomination process until he just gave up. Clinton's entire presidency was overshadowed and cheapened by his sleasy sexual activity and his focus on trying to cover it up. "Served his term" has no functional meaning for either of them.

Your argumentation on several aspects of this thread is getting ridiculously thin--of "it depends on what 'is' is" thinness, Cloudy. Bill Clinton isn't worth the defense.

And the Kathleen Willey "case" very definitely happened while Clinton was in the White House (to counter a statement you made up the thread about everything being before that). She stands out as about the only one that would indicate that he had any sense of good taste in women.

 

[shereads]

He was Impeached, just not convicted.
Impeachment is bringing charges in the House, that results in a trial in the Senate.
Think of impeachment by the House as being similar to indictment by a grand jury.

Someone has to fill in for Ami

Oh get over it. What is it with you people and the Clintons? Condi Rice herself admitted to the existence of a file folder labeled "Bin Laden Planning Attack Inside the US" that was ignored by GWB; the intelligence screw-up that led to 9/11 took place mostly inside Dubya's small, furtive brain. It was hardly the Clintons' fault that they were hounded for six years to the tune of $40 million on a Whitewater investigation that turned to the president's sex life when it failed to find anything his wife could be nailed on. That was conservatives' doing; you chose to keep the White House busy defending a daily barrage of subpeonas so it would do less damage to the status quo.

Conservatives in this country are in complete denial. You've enabled and rewarded the most destructive presidential administration in our history - demanded no accountability; excused Bush and Cheney for refusing to testify on record or under oath in front of the 9/11 Commission - and yet you still anguish over Clinton's lie under oath on the issue of his sex life.

Grow up.

 

[DesertPirate]

Oh get over it. What is it with you people and the Clintons? Condi Rice herself admitted to the existence of a file folder labeled "Bin Laden Planning Attack Inside the US" that was ignored by GWB; the intelligence screw-up that led to 9/11 took place mostly inside Dubya's small, furtive brain. It was hardly the Clintons' fault that they were hounded for six years to the tune of $40 million on a Whitewater investigation that turned to the president's sex life when it failed to find anything his wife could be nailed on. That was conservatives' doing; you chose to keep the White House busy defending a daily barrage of subpeonas so it would do less damage to the status quo.

Conservatives in this country are in complete denial. You've enabled and rewarded the most destructive presidential administration in our history - demanded no accountability; excused Bush and Cheney for refusing to testify on record or under oath in front of the 9/11 Commission - and yet you still anguish over Clinton's lie under oath on the issue of his sex life.

Grow up.

All politicians are the same, if their lips are moving it's a lie, deal with it!

Some people see the Dems throwing away this years Presidential race as a travesty. The real travesty was putting the worst candidate from the last try in charge of the party. No direction, no leadership, just bash Bush and it will be OK. Watch what happens due to that monumental stupidity.

 

[cloudy]

"Served his term" doesn't have much meaning for either LBJ or Clinton. LBJ was, in fact, hounded out of the White House by reaction to the war. He had every intention of serving another term and had the party machinery in his pocket--and he had his legislative agenda set up to extend into the second term. He was hounded by forces external to the renomination process until he just gave up. Clinton's entire presidency was overshadowed and cheapened by his sleasy sexual activity and his focus on trying to cover it up. "Served his term" has no functional meaning for either of them.

Your argumentation on several aspects of this thread is getting ridiculously thin--of "it depends on what 'is' is" thinness, Cloudy. Bill Clinton isn't worth the defense.

And the Kathleen Willey "case" very definitely happened while Clinton was in the White House (to counter a statement you made up the thread about everything being before that). She stands out as about the only one that would indicate that he had any sense of good taste in women.

And I care what you think, because...?



I ignore you and you just can't stand it, can you?

to quote Sher:

Grow up.

 

[WRJames]

I understand there are now calls for impeachment, unless Spitzer resigns. Without defending the man, I wonder if this would be an impeachable offense. For one thing, it is a misdemeanor, at least so far. For another, it happened in Washington. For another, what does wanting to fuck some expensive pussy have to do with doing his job or not?

I'm not from NY, and have no personal interest, but I hate to see abuse of power and hypocrisy in government officials, so I would applaud his downfall, as I applauded that of Nifong.

The NYS legislature hates Spitzer at this point, so any excuse to get rid of him would be welcome -- and this is a really, really good one.

It's the money laundering that will probably bring him down -- that and the fact that doing ANYTHING illegal when your are supposed to be squeaky clean is damaging.

He's been so relentless in his own prosecutions that there are probably a lot of powerful Republicans who will push the Bush administration to go ahead and fry his ass.

 

[shereads]

All politicians are the same, if their lips are moving it's a lie, deal with it!

That's the typical response whenever a conservative in this forum is asked to justify this bizarre double standard. A mention of either Clinton gets you all frothing at the mouth over his famous Lie Under Oath. Bring Bush's lies into the discussion, and one of you whips out the old "all politicians lie" bit.

Maybe they do; all PEOPLE lie to varying degrees, so it stands to reason that those in the public eye and with a public agenda would lie more than most. They don't all lie at the cost of countless lives and our country's credibility on the world stage, however. Why doesn't that make you mad, I wonder? Because Bush and Cheney don't make you feel inferior?

 

[DesertPirate]

That's the typical response whenever a conservative in this forum is asked to justify this bizarre double standard. A mention of either Clinton gets you all frothing at the mouth over his famous Lie Under Oath. Bring Bush's lies into the discussion, and one of you whips out the old "all politicians lie" bit.

Maybe they do; all PEOPLE lie to varying degrees, so it stands to reason that those in the public eye and with a public agenda would lie more than most. They don't all lie at the cost of countless lives and our country's credibility on the world stage, however. Why doesn't that make you mad, I wonder? Because Bush and Cheney don't make you feel inferior?

Get you head out of wherever it is!
I have a nephew over there right now and a cousin that is back and forth regularly. I have more at stake over there than you ever will.

Read post #75 it will really spin you up

 

[cloudy]

Get you head out of wherever it is!
I have a nephew over there right now and a cousin that is back and forth regularly. I have more at stake over there than you ever will.

I feel the same as she does, and I've lost a family member over there.

Gonna tell me the same thing?

 

[shereads]

Get you head out of wherever it is!
I have a nephew over there right now and a cousin that is back and forth regularly. I have more at stake over there than you ever will.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

$5,500 and hour! I wanna be a high class hooker!

You already are! And your pimp is the IRS!

 

[sr71plt]

And I care what you think, because...?



I ignore you and you just can't stand it, can you?

to quote Sher:

Hey, I'm addressing the substance here--and what I think is your ever-weakening position. Tough if you can't stick to substance. You don't get a pass just because you are a Lit. drone.

 

[cloudy]

Hey, I'm addressing the substance here--and what I think is your ever-weakening position. Tough if you can't stick to substance. You don't get a pass just because you are a Lit. drone.

*yawn*

Here's a clue: nobody cares what you think, especially me.

As I said, grow the fuck up and go pull someone else's braids. I have a man, and even if I didn't, you're a tad too fem for me.

 

[Belegon]

Someone that never would have been President if Perot hadn't run?

Weak argument. Unproven for one thing and easily countered by bringing up Ralph Nader's effect on Al Gore in 2000 for the other.

 

[Belegon]

The fact that he lied under oath is all that matters.

DP, what about the fact that the Bush administration committed what I consider an act of treason by revealing the identity of a CIA operative in an effort to place political pressure on her ambassador husband?

Isn't that a far worse offense? I believe it is.

 

[sr71plt]

*yawn*

Here's a clue: nobody cares what you think.

As I said, grow the fuck up and go pull someone else's braids. I have a man, and even if I didn't, you gross me out.

Love it when you exhibit yourself like this, especially when you speak for "everybody" in your rude, low-class personal attacks. The real you. Did you have anything more to post on the substance of this thread?

Well, when I want to weigh in on a substantive discussion on this forum, I will--just like anyone else. And it has nothing to do with you as posting persona.

The bottom line, IMO, is that the infidelity isn't at the base of the public (or even legal) aspect of this Spitzer scandal, just as it wasn't at the bottom of the Clinton sex scandal--other issues are/were involved that do go to the heart of their suitability for doing their elected jobs.

 

[sr71plt]

DP, what about the fact that the Bush administration committed what I consider an act of treason by revealing the identity of a CIA operative in an effort to place political pressure on her ambassador husband?

Isn't that a far worse offense? I believe it is.

Seems that way to me too.

 

[cloudy]

Love it when you exhibit yourself like this, especially when you speak for "everybody" in your rude, low-class personal attacks. The real you. Did you have anything more to post on the substance of this thread?

Well, when I want to weigh in on a substantive discussion on this forum, I will--just like anyone else. And it has nothing to do with you as posting persona.

I don't care where or what drivel you post, just don't include me in your bullshit, and we'll get along fine.

Surely you can find some other female to bug the shit out of. There must be someone who could put up with you.

Well, maybe not.