NY Gov Spitzer linked to prostitution

[Roxanne Appleby]

There's no satisfaction in this for me.

Spitzer is a fascist thug who did real damage to the U.S. economy by abusing the public trust and using the attorney general office as a tool in an end-justifies-the-means pursuit of raw power for himself.

"The details will now be played for titters by the press corps. But one may ask: Where were the media before this? With a few exceptions, the media were happy to prosper from his leaks and even applaud, rather than temper, the manifestly abusive instincts of a public official." WSJ

 

[R. Richard]

...and the fact that he got a blowjob affected how he did his job as president how?

From any number of sources, the fact that Clinton got blowed didn't affect how he did his job as President. The fact that he was ALWAYS lying and trying to cover up his sexual scandals did affect how he was doing his job as President.

 

[cloudy]

From any number of sources, the fact that Clinton got blowed didn't affect how he did his job as President. The fact that he was ALWAYS lying and trying to cover up his sexual scandals did affect how he was doing his job as President.

"Always"?

Please, tell me of these other sex scandals that you know about, but no one else does.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There's no satisfaction in this for me.

Spitzer is a fascist thug who did real damage to the U.S. economy by abusing the public trust and using the attorney general office as a tool in an end-justifies-the-means pursuit of raw power for himself.

"The details will now be played for titters by the press corps. But one may ask: Where were the media before this? With a few exceptions, the media were happy to prosper from his leaks and even applaud, rather than temper, the manifestly abusive instincts of a public official." WSJ

I understand there are now calls for impeachment, unless Spitzer resigns. Without defending the man, I wonder if this would be an impeachable offense. For one thing, it is a misdemeanor, at least so far. For another, it happened in Washington. For another, what does wanting to fuck some expensive pussy have to do with doing his job or not?

I'm not from NY, and have no personal interest, but I hate to see abuse of power and hypocrisy in government officials, so I would applaud his downfall, as I applauded that of Nifong.

 

[Boxlicker101]

"Always"?

Please, tell me of these other sex scandals that you know about, but no one else does.

Katherine Willey and Gennifer Flowers for two. There were more, but I don't remember their names right now. Some say they were willing partners and some claim they weren't.

And, of course, Paula Jones. It now appears she was telling the truth.

 

[rgraham666]

Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh, Roxanne.

If you're poor and break the law, an extra mouth under the one you've got now. If you're rich and break the law, well, that's OK then. Right?

 

[cloudy]

Katherine Willey and Gennifer Flowers for two. There were more, but I don't remember their names right now. Some say they were willing partners and some claim they weren't.

And, of course, Paula Jones. It now appears she was telling the truth.

Those were also when he was governor, not president.

I shudder to think of the rationalizations you folks who hate Clinton must undergo to deal with your presence here, at an erotic story site.

Bankrupt the Nation? Oh, that's fine, no problem.

Go to war over a lie? Who cares.

Get a blowjob? Hound him out of office!

For fuck's sake, look at yourselves in the mirror for once.

 

[cloudy]

Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh, Roxanne.

If you're poor and break the law, an extra mouth under the one you've got now. If you're rich and break the law, well, that's OK then. Right?

She always amuses me.

Only the poor have problems with their morals, didn't you know that?

 

[shereads]

I would never pay a governor for sex.

 

[3113]

Just read the posts right here. I don't care about the media, my comment was about these posts. This is what I mean, everyone turning it into a debate on legalizing prostitution.

Helloooo! What the fuck site do you think you're on? Read the title: L-i-t...EROTICA.

Of course we're gonna talk about legalizing prostitution. You want us to talk about his hypocrisy, I see posts on that too, are you skimming over them? I mean, he's gov of New York. What else do you want us to talk about? If this was President Bush, we'd probably be a lot more interested but some of us don't live in New York.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

Those were also when he was governor, not president.

I shudder to think of the rationalizations you folks who hate Clinton must undergo to deal with your presence here, at an erotic story site.

Bankrupt the Nation? Oh, that's fine, no problem.

Go to war over a lie? Who cares.

Get a blowjob? Hound him out of office!

For fuck's sake, look at yourselves in the mirror for once.

Actually, I'm a bit different than that.

I am an ex-republican now unaffiliated.
I think that Hilary should be in jail for fraud and a few other charges from Whitewater.
I didn't like Bill, but always defended his right to presidential nookie.
I think he should have been prosecuted for federal purjury for lying under oath during a deposition.
I want Bush Jr strung up by his testicles and burned at the stake.

 

[R. Richard]

"Always"?

Please, tell me of these other sex scandals that you know about, but no one else does.

As to Clinton being a liar, he was convicted, in federal court of perjury, fined some $90,000 and his lawy license was revoked for five years. [Judge Paula Weber-Wright.]

Clinton Sex Charges:
Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault [Clinton paid big money to settle this one.]
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned

Clinton Misogyny:
Linda Tripp - coerce, intimidate, deny - Bob Bennett calls her a liar, release her job application, transfer her.
Julia Hiatt-Steele - Willey's friend and neighbor - used the machine to change her story.
Betty Currie - used as cover and enabler
Donna Shalala - used as cover, used as whipping post in Cabinet meeting
Madeline Albright - used as cover
Secret Service - female agent complaints
Kathy Ferguson – unwelcome advances

Clinton as a Ladies' Man:
Marsha Scott - claimed an affair
Connie Hamzy - claimed sex
Bobbie Ann Williams - claimed paid sex, paternity

 

[oggbashan]

Of course the French are giggling at the Americans again on this.

So are the Greeks, the Italians and others.

Politicians are elected to be our representatives, not our moral guardians. They do not have to be beatified.

Even that ultimate grey porridge politician, John Major, was having sex.

Og

 

[cloudy]

Actually, I'm a bit different than that.

I am an ex-republican now unaffiliated.
I think that Hilary should be in jail for fraud and a few other charges from Whitewater.
I didn't like Bill, but always defended his right to presidential nookie.
I think he should have been prosecuted for federal purjury for lying under oath during a deposition.
I want Bush Jr strung up by his testicles and burned at the stake.

I wasn't talking about you, though.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

As to Clinton being a liar, he was convicted, in federal court of perjury, fined some $90,000 and his lawy license was revoked for five years. [Judge Paula Weber-Wright.]

He was convicted and charged? Woohoo! I can't believe I never heard about that...

 

[cloudy]

As to Clinton being a liar, he was convicted, in federal court of perjury, fined some $90,000 and his lawy license was revoked for five years. [Judge Paula Weber-Wright.]

Clinton Sex Charges:
Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault [Clinton paid big money to settle this one.]
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned

Clinton Misogyny:
Linda Tripp - coerce, intimidate, deny - Bob Bennett calls her a liar, release her job application, transfer her.
Julia Hiatt-Steele - Willey's friend and neighbor - used the machine to change her story.
Betty Currie - used as cover and enabler
Donna Shalala - used as cover, used as whipping post in Cabinet meeting
Madeline Albright - used as cover
Secret Service - female agent complaints
Kathy Ferguson – unwelcome advances

Clinton as a Ladies' Man:
Marsha Scott - claimed an affair
Connie Hamzy - claimed sex
Bobbie Ann Williams - claimed paid sex, paternity

How many of those were while he was governor, and how many are fact, and not just allegations?

You like to deal in shady "facts." I've seen you do it before.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Those were also when he was governor, not president.

I shudder to think of the rationalizations you folks who hate Clinton must undergo to deal with your presence here, at an erotic story site.

Bankrupt the Nation? Oh, that's fine, no problem.

Go to war over a lie? Who cares.

Get a blowjob? Hound him out of office!

For fuck's sake, look at yourselves in the mirror for once.

The affair with Monica Lewinsky happened when Clinton was president. There may have been others or there may not have. He was certainly a philanderer, so there is no reason to think there weren't.

Why are you referring to LBJ who came close to bankrupting the nation with his "Great Society" and escalated the Vietnam War over the Gulf of Tonkin Incident? That was a long time ago.

Clinton WAS NEVER hounded out of office. He was impeached for commiting perjury, a felony, but was acquitted by the Senate, and served out his second term. Had I been a member of the Senate, I would have voted for acquittal also, because I didn't think the offense would rise to the level of "High crimes and misdemeanors". Perjury is perjury, whether it's about theft or treason or a blow job. Later on, it came out that it was more than just a single blow job, by the way.

LBJ was sort of hounded out of office, that is, he declined to run for a second full term because of a hostile news media. The only president who as ever actually hounded out of office was Nixon.

 

[cloudy]

The affair with Monica Lewinsky happened when Clinton was president. There may have been others or there may not have. He was certainly a philanderer, so there is no reason to think there weren't.

Why are you referring to LBJ who came close to bankrupting the nation with his "Great Society" and escalated the Vietnam War over the Gulf of Tonkin Incident? That was a long time ago.

Clinton WAS NEVER hounded out of office. He was impeached for commiting perjury, a felony, but was acquitted by the Senate, and served out his second term. Had I been a member of the Senate, I would have voted for acquittal also, because I didn't think the offense would rise to the level of "High crimes and misdemeanors". Perjury is perjury, whether it's about theft or treason or a blow job. Later on, it came out that it was more than just a single blow job, by the way.

LBJ was sort of hounded out of office, that is, he declined to run for a second full term because of a hostile news media. The only president who as ever actually hounded out of office was Nixon.

I wasn't referring to LBJ. Good lord, I don't have to go that far back! What the hell do you think Bush has done?

I know you're not quite that dense, Box.

 

[R. Richard]

Cloudy, you can Google up the specifics yourself.

Clinton was convicted in federal court, fact.
Clinton paid Paula Jones, fact. Of course, since he paid her off, it remains merely an accusation, not a fact proven in court.
Clinton perjured himself on national TV about Monica, fact.
Pehaps the most damning are the secret service allegations. Those are just accusations, not proven facts. However, the women making the allegations are sworn to protect the President, with their lives, if necessary.

The sheer volume of the accusations tells you something. Yes, some of them happened in Arkansas where he was governor. However, the charges are not just the voice of one woman claiming she was wronged, but a large number of women claiming the same type of thing. If some of them are poor women, perhaps looking for a payoff, there are many who are respected professional women.

If you chose to believe that Clinton is innocent of all charge, then you can do so. However, the sheer weight of claims is something you might consider.

 

[cloudy]

Cloudy, you can Google up the specifics yourself.

Clinton was convicted in federal court, fact.
Clinton paid Paula Jones, fact. Of course, since he paid her off, it remains merely an accusation, not a fact proven in court.
Clinton perjured himself on national TV about Monica, fact.
Pehaps the most damning are the secret service allegations. Those are just accusations, not proven facts. However, the women making the allegations are sworn to protect the President, with their lives, if necessary.

The sheer volume of the accusations tells you something. Yes, some of them happened in Arkansas where he was governor. However, the charges are not just the voice of one woman claiming she was wronged, but a large number of women claiming the same type of thing. If some of them are poor women, perhaps looking for a payoff, there are many who are respected professional women.

If you chose to believe that Clinton is innocent of all charge, then you can do so. However, the sheer weight of claims is something you might consider.

I never said he was innocent, I just wonder at the hypocrisy of those who focus solely on his sex life.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh, Roxanne.

If you're poor and break the law, an extra mouth under the one you've got now. If you're rich and break the law, well, that's OK then. Right?

Spitzer behaved no different than a redneck prosecutor who tramples justice and the rule of law by railroading an innocent black person for his own political advantage. Or are you saying it's OK if the target is rich and easily demonized?

 

[shereads]

I never said he was innocent, I just wonder at the hypocrisy of those who focus solely on his sex life.

They tend to be men who have to pay for sex.

Which brings us back to the topic:

As I understand it, the governor's problems stem from his having transported his prostitute across state lines. That was irresponsible; buying local reduces the carbon footprint.

 

[R. Richard]

I never said he was innocent, I just wonder at the hypocrisy of those who focus solely on his sex life.

I don't focus solely on his sex life. Bill Clinton is very probably guilty of at least conspiracy in the murder of Ron Brown. In addition, the coverup in the death of Vincent Foster would have normal people in jail.

However, my main peeve is that, in the wake of the Monica afair, I asked my Republican Senator to see about allowing me to set up a blowjob operation in the White House. I would have used local girls and even signed on Hillary and/or Chelsea, if they wanted. However, the son-of-a-bitch apparently never even tried to let his constituent make a buck, doing the same type of thing that the President was doing in the White House.

 

[DesertPirate]

...and the fact that he got a blowjob affected how he did his job as president how?

The fact that he lied under oath is all that matters.

 

[DesertPirate]

Helloooo! What the fuck site do you think you're on? Read the title: L-i-t...EROTICA.

Of course we're gonna talk about legalizing prostitution. You want us to talk about his hypocrisy, I see posts on that too, are you skimming over them? I mean, he's gov of New York. What else do you want us to talk about? If this was President Bush, we'd probably be a lot more interested but some of us don't live in New York.

And who was resposible for the intelligence failures that led to 9-11 and Iraq? Could it possibly be the ones who cut the intelligence budget by 30% in the 90s? Some clown so busy covering his sexcapades and wifeys fraud that he never did his job? Someone that never would have been President if Perot hadn't run?