survivor?

[hmmnmm]

slugs of monstrous proportions invade a city?

 

[PrincessErin]

Some of my professors in university had a view that writing shorter essays was much more difficult than writing longer pieces. Their argument was that it's easy to take 2000-3000 words to argue a point. It's much harder to use only 500 or 750 words to do the same.

Erin

 

[hmmnmm]

and to senryu/haiku it?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Some of my professors in university had a view that writing shorter essays was much more difficult than writing longer pieces. Their argument was that it's easy to take 2000-3000 words to argue a point. It's much harder to use only 500 or 750 words to do the same.

Erin

They were right, but the two types of writing can't be compared. The more words you use to estabish a point, the firmer you should be able to establish it, although there could be such a thing as overkill.

In writing porn, though, details are important. Case in point:

I have a story named "I Call on Heidi" which has over 5,000 words to describe the various kinds of sexual activities we indulged in. It's a stroke story, and I describe her, and what she looks lke and what we did and what it felt like.

I could have written it very sparsely, as: "I went to see Heidi. We had sex. It was fun." There I have 11 words, and I say the same thing as I said in over 5,000 words, but who would want to read the short version?

I could have omitted a lot of the description and written the story in 1,000 words, and it would have been easier to write, but I believe it would have been inferior, at least as far as being stroke goes.

By the way, I'm not saying I would have cut down on the character development or plot. This is strictly stroke, and there is neither character development nor plot. Some of my stories do have such things, but this one does not. Most of them don't.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Did you see the unicorn/dog story that go through in '06? I still goggle at that one...

 

[sr71plt]

Did you see the unicorn/dog story that got through in '06? I still goggle at that one.

No, I haven't, but I'll slug back a couple of glasses of Shiraz and go looking for it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Did you see the unicorn/dog story that got through in '06? I still goggle at that one.



But there are themes you can explore at Lit that you just couldn't anywhere else. That's something to consider!

I wrote three stories about a unicorn named Horny. His mistress is named Deidre. Are you referring to them? I also have "Love with a Werewolf" which is just what it sounds like. Being mythical beasts, these were not considered to be beastiality stories.

 

[hmmnmm]

I think there's no real easier or harder way for all. I think each person brings their own set of preferences to whatever they attempt. If someone tends toward the action-packed highlights they might not care to work with the building of tension, sub-plateaus of resolution, almost-resolutions, building the scene around the central activities and their participants. Lots of in-betweens, too. Me, I like both ends of the continuum with a slight favoring of the graduation of tensions and getting into heads. But that takes time and it risks going too far 'out of the story' which risks losing a potential reader. And, for the sake of survivor, you could probably count yourself out of making a decent showing - which I already have. But I've found that exercises with poetry and shorter pieces helps to find fewer words to get across that tension and resolution and scenic constructions.

So it's all good and beautiful.
and that's no fiction.

 

[sr71plt]

On another aspect to the survivor contest that has been brought up here, isn't demanding six story slots a day on the Lit. New list (which is about what 2,000 entries for the year requires) a little self-centered, grabby, obsessive, and uncaring of the Web site editors' time/attention and fellow writers' access to timely story posting just to win a quantity-assessed contest? Especially since, if you take second place and someone sends you a check for $5,000, you've come out $4,750 better than if you'd won.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

unicorn/dog story

I linked it.

Above.

To make it easy for ya.

Not yours, Boxy... this is a unicorn that is quite interchangeable with the family dog. Just read the first few paragraphs, you'll see what I mean...

 

[Boxlicker101]

I linked it.

Above.

To make it easy for ya.

Not yours, Boxy... this is a unicorn that is quite interchangeable with the family dog. Just read the first few paragraphs, you'll see what I mean...

I went and read it. Although the author called it a unicorn, it was obviously a dog. A unicorn - or a horse or a pony - is not going to be a household pet like that. Ther was no reference at all to his horn. If she had used that as a dildo, that would have been a different matter.

In the unicorn stories I wrote, much of the sex is pretty much like a small horse or pony and a woman, but the unicorn's horn also gets into the action. In the werewolf story I wrote, I mention what kind of critter it is, and keep referring to that, but it was basically a large dog and a woman having sex, although it was lycanthropic enough.

ETA: I went back and voted and left a PC. It wasn't bad, but I think my unicorn stories are a lot better.,

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

"Freakin' nitwit!"

This is a new one that I just received from an "anonymous and cowardly poster. He's accusing me of plaigurizing my own stories, stories that I removed from the site last year to rewrite this year. What the fuck? Then, everyone wonders why I get so cranky.

Now, if someone can show me in the Survivor rules that I am not allowed to repost stories, stories that were removed from the site, and stories that did not earn any points in previous Survivor Contests and stories that did not win any contests, then I will remove them in the spirit of the competition.

I am not a cheater.

"Freakin' nitwit!"

I hope he or she sees this post.

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So you finally found a way to make more stories. You plagiarize or resubmit
your own not written in 2008. I've seen a few posts that claim that you are
resubmitting work and haven't seen you refute that claim. To me, that just
means you are a fucking cheater and a liar. I hope you roast in hell.

 

[tickledkitty]

Personally, I think the administrators of this site should simply do away with ALL contests. With all the back biting and flaming and, yes, CHEATING, the fun has been sucked out of all of them for everyone. It amazes me that adults will behave this way.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

I'm done.

Contest? What contest are you referring to tickledkitty?

The only contest that I know of here is the Survivor Contest. The other contests are popularity contests that are won by the people who have access to the most computers to vote for themselves and the most friends on the site. There are no contests here, just popularity poles.

Now, the Survivor is the closest thing to a contest on this site. You tell me how many writers can write as many stories as I can and still make them interesting enough to read.

I'm only here to write, anyway. I really, truly don't give a crap about contest. My contention and intention is to improve my writing skills and hope to God that someone notices me to hire me. Thus far, 5 publishers have solicited me because of this site. I now have two E-books and have sold numerous stories, one coming out in The Big Bad Ass Book Of Sex, by Sterling Publishers owned by Barnes and Noble.

Also, someone sent me a check for $5,000 anonymously with a note that read, 'You should have won the Survivor Contest.'

So, if it is your contention to say that this site is bad because of contest, I say who cares.

I just write stories. I all about the story and nothing else. I'm done.

 

[sr71plt]

This is a new one that I just received from an "anonymous and cowardly poster. He's accusing me of plaigurizing my own stories, stories that I removed from the site last year to rewrite this year. What the fuck? Then, everyone wonders why I get so cranky.

Now, if someone can show me in the Survivor rules that I am not allowed to repost stories, stories that were removed from the site, and stories that did not earn any points in previous Survivor Contests and stories that did not win any contests, then I will remove them in the spirit of the competition.

I am not a cheater.

"Freakin' nitwit!"

I hope he or she sees this post.

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So you finally found a way to make more stories. You plagiarize or resubmit
your own not written in 2008. I've seen a few posts that claim that you are
resubmitting work and haven't seen you refute that claim. To me, that just
means you are a fucking cheater and a liar. I hope you roast in hell.

Plagiarism doesn't apply to reuse of the writer's own work. The word/charge doesn't isn't appropriate for this. I've recast stories before and even taken scenes out of one and repurposed it in another, as the recasting mood struck me. It's a common practice in the writing world.

What I think would constitute cheating in doing this, though, would be to do it for contests, depending on their ruels--especially for a "quantity" contest like Survivor. Yes, I think that would constitute unethical conduct, if not flat out cheating (if the rules don't explicitly forbid it--which, of course, they should if the standard of the contest is "quantity"). And if you took something out of a previously published story, even if your own, and put it in a contest entry where the contest specifies the story can't have been previously published, this would not be following the rules.

 

[sr71plt]

Now, the Survivor is the closest thing to a contest on this site. You tell me how many writers can write as many stories as I can and still make them interesting enough to read.

Ah, but you yourself have pointed out that "interesting enough to read" has nothing to do with the Survivor's contest. Its requirments are based on quantity and nothing else.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Just to clear things up (and this was also posted in the Surivor forum in response to the question there in the FAQ thread)... you cannot count re-posted stories for points in Surivor. Only new & original stories can count for points in the contest. This is clearly stated in rule #8 of the rules post.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Just to clear things up (and this was also posted in the Surivor forum in response to the question there in the FAQ thread)... you cannot count re-posted stories for points in Surivor. Only new & original stories can count for points in the contest. This is clearly stated in rule #8 of the rules post.

This makes me wonder about something. About a year ago, in respon to a T-girl named Lauren who contacted me, I wrote a story named "Lauren's Hot Date" and posted it here. It was quite well received, including by Lauren, and she asked me to write a whole series, except she has now changed her name to Angel Jones. I have been posting the stories as I finish them, and the latest is Angel 8, which is basically a rewrite of the Lauren story. I changed the female name and the location and added a lot of detail, sexual and otherwise. The new version is almost twice as long as the original. What I wonder about is whether or not this would be considered reposting, because I'm not trying to be sneaky. The first paragraph of the new story says it is an extended version of Lauren.

 

[starrkers]

Personally, I think the administrators of this site should simply do away with ALL contests. With all the back biting and flaming and, yes, CHEATING, the fun has been sucked out of all of them for everyone. It amazes me that adults will behave this way.

I'm inclined to agree. I signed up for Survivor again this year as a bit of fun. But I haven't filled in my scorecard yet. Not sure I'll bother. It's no fun when there's someone constantly whining and bitching about not being allowed to win.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

This makes me wonder about something. About a year ago, in respon to a T-girl named Lauren who contacted me, I wrote a story named "Lauren's Hot Date" and posted it here. It was quite well received, including by Lauren, and she asked me to write a whole series, except she has now changed her name to Angel Jones. I have been posting the stories as I finish them, and the latest is Angel 8, which is basically a rewrite of the Lauren story. I changed the female name and the location and added a lot of detail, sexual and otherwise. The new version is almost twice as long as the original. What I wonder about is whether or not this would be considered reposting, because I'm not trying to be sneaky. The first paragraph of the new story says it is an extended version of Lauren.

I'm not entirely sure about that one, Box, since it's not the exact same story. I suggest you pm Lauren Hynde and ask her since she's the senior Suvivor mod.

 

[sr71plt]

This makes me wonder about something. About a year ago, in respon to a T-girl named Lauren who contacted me, I wrote a story named "Lauren's Hot Date" and posted it here. It was quite well received, including by Lauren, and she asked me to write a whole series, except she has now changed her name to Angel Jones. I have been posting the stories as I finish them, and the latest is Angel 8, which is basically a rewrite of the Lauren story. I changed the female name and the location and added a lot of detail, sexual and otherwise. The new version is almost twice as long as the original. What I wonder about is whether or not this would be considered reposting, because I'm not trying to be sneaky. The first paragraph of the new story says it is an extended version of Lauren.

Sounds a lot more like an adaptation to me than a reposting (that added a lot of detail part/doubling the length; changing names doesn't change much of anything).

 

[sr71plt]

Just to clear things up (and this was also posted in the Surivor forum in response to the question there in the FAQ thread)... you cannot count re-posted stories for points in Surivor. Only new & original stories can count for points in the contest. This is clearly stated in rule #8 of the rules post.

Ah, so. That's good. So, if someone pointed to a story that had essentially been posted before (especially of similar length with just minor changes), than that would be a case of cheating in the Survivor contest, not a case of a bad public comment on a story. Right?

 

[drksideofthemoon]

I would sooner write 1 quality story in a year than submit 100 mediocre pieces.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Personally, I think the administrators of this site should simply do away with ALL contests. With all the back biting and flaming and, yes, CHEATING, the fun has been sucked out of all of them for everyone. It amazes me that adults will behave this way.

You've got my vote. The monthly contests are a joke. We are now in March, 2008, and they're only up to April of 2007. Scrap the monthlies, scrap the themed contests, and scrap Survivor. Who, other than the writers entered, pays any attention to it?

 

[hmmnmm]

I hope any redundancy on my part may be overlooked.
I think those who devised the 'contests' did so for their own good reasons, and hopefully with some benefit to all involved. I'm definitely not gonna run down anyone's reasons or knock their style. No stance to do so. No wish to. Now, I already know I ain't got a chance to come close to 'winning' any 'contest' that calls for many works in a relative short period of time. But you know, sometimes something hits and stuff just seems to pop out. Not often. But sometimes. Also, I wondered (and asked) about resubmitting works - since I've been doing just that lately - but as we know, those are no-nos as far as survivor. Which is really good - because I might tend to keep reaching back instead of stretching forward. Also, I discovered the novellas category, but fell into the rut of submitting chapters of less than four thousand words. With a survivor requirement of at least 7500, I'm finding I have to really consider what will go into it - and the time it will take will damn sure gut any chance I'll have of showing.
So for me, just the Idea has already been beneficial - even if I don't submit a single thing. And we should not forget the poor reader. If we benefit, then so should the reader. Right?

Had something else to repeat but it's gone away - the excitement is high in this house. Hard to focus.