girls in porn

[Guest]

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

Well, now come Generation i, gorowing with as much freedom as was ever possible, producing their own porn flicks for posting on YouTube. Lots of semi-amateur work with real people in it...

I don't think I am an expert but, some of those girls do sound like they *are* liking it. I mean, I do have some reference as to what girls do when they are liking

So, for discussion:

Do they like it?

Maharat

 

[Stella_Omega]

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

Well, now come Generation i, gorowing with as much freedom as was ever possible, producing their own porn flicks for posting on YouTube. Lots of semi-amateur work with real people in it...

I don't think I am an expert but, some of those girls do sound like they *are* liking it. I mean, I do have some reference as to what girls do when they are liking

So, for discussion:

Do they like it?

Maharat

As a 'girl' I was easily aroused by porn, even the cheap visual kind. As far as I knew, I was totally off the map, real girls didn't like that stuff. The map has widened and the territories are better drawn than they used to be. Those girls like it!

(ETA)

the porn controversy in the feminist arena was important in the sixties and seventies. But the situations have changed, largely because of that controversy-- and it's apparent that the 'party line' is changing-- a little on the slow side, unfortunately. A lot of old guard feminists resolve it in their minds by drawing a line between 'porn' and 'erotica'. That is a very subjective delineation, and basically boils down to "what I like" vs. "what makes me sick to my stomach".

I am sure many young women get the old line about porn still. They will, I hope, make up their own minds on the subject.

 

[sxcascinn]

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

Well, now come Generation i, gorowing with as much freedom as was ever possible, producing their own porn flicks for posting on YouTube. Lots of semi-amateur work with real people in it...

I don't think I am an expert but, some of those girls do sound like they *are* liking it. I mean, I do have some reference as to what girls do when they are liking

So, for discussion:

Do they like it?

Maharat

I think your looking at a mixed bag. A lot probably do enjoy....
Some probably do it just because their friends did.. Or to shock people.. Even to fit in...
So My guess is there would be a lot who like the sex and the attention... But as in everything there would be a lot of fakers hanging about... just my take... I could be wrong they may all simply love it!!!

 

[Varian P]

As someone with a bit of first-hand experience in this area, my take is that, as with almost any job, some are in it for the joy of it, some are in it for the cred (ooh! I'm a suicidegirl!), and others are just desperate to scrape rent together by the first of the month.

And that goes for the men as well as the women.

In the category of those who are in it for the joy of it, there's something pretty delightful about someone who gets wet/hard just taking off their clothes while looking into a camera's lens.

 

[Guest]

I think your looking at a mixed bag. A lot probably do enjoy....
Some probably do it just because their friends did.. Or to shock people.. Even to fit in...
So My guess is there would be a lot who like the sex and the attention... But as in everything there would be a lot of fakers hanging about... just my take... I could be wrong they may all simply love it!!!

But do you know how much guilt and pain and heartache it would have saved me if I could have seen twin souls getting it on some years ago?

This could be a life changing trend for many!



Maharat

 

[Stella_Omega]

But do you know how much guilt and pain and heartache it would have saved me if I could have seen twin souls getting it on some years ago?

This could be a life changing trend for many!



Maharat

Yes, I do know.

 

[Guest]

As a 'girl' I was easily aroused by porn, even the cheap visual kind. As far as I knew, I was totally off the map, real girls didn't like that stuff. The map has widened and the territories are better drawn than they used to be. Those girls like it!

(ETA)

the porn controversy in the feminist arena was important in the sixties and seventies. But the situations have changed, largely because of that controversy-- and it's apparent that the 'party line' is changing-- a little on the slow side, unfortunately. A lot of old guard feminists resolve it in their minds by drawing a line between 'porn' and 'erotica'. That is a very subjective delineation, and basically boils down to "what I like" vs. "what makes me sick to my stomach".

I am sure many young women get the old line about porn still. They will, I hope, make up their own minds on the subject.

The great thing about the young is that they don't listen


Maharat

 

[Guest]

Yes, I do know.

Yes, I know it is like stating the obvious but...the attitudes are changing fast...

 

[TxRad]

The availability of inexpensive video equipment for home use and the internet has opened up a lot of people to new experiences. Amateur sex home movies have always been around only now there is a way to get them out before other people. IMHO most of the people in these amateur offering are enjoying themselves.

The old suck, fuck, cum on your ass, face, or belly stuff got old a long time ago. True home movies and even some semi pro stuff is taking it's place. It's a good trend. It's more believable and more informative. It's also a big turn on for a lot of the people doing it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes, I know it is like stating the obvious but...the attitudes are changing fast...

The internets has made a good deal of difference. Women would not walk into XXX stores (here in the US) but they can look at dirty pictures in the privacy of home. They can explore various images of sexuality (which was difficult and incredibly expensive in the old days when you had to buy wrapped magazines with no idea of what would be in them) and find out what does and doesn't turn them on.

In my day, the consensus was that every woman was different, and no two women would be aroused by the same thing. The assumption was that it wasn't worth it, or was impossible, to produce porn for women, and that omen didn't like porn. We now know that isn't true! What was true, was that the porn produced by the industry back in those days, was of no more quality than was necessary for the men who bought it. And, possibly by accident, the established conventions were not real sexy to most women...

someone here found an early review of "Women's Erotica" back when the market was just getting started. This young man seemed pretty upset about the whole idea that women were taking over the dirty books section, and he felt that men who preferred this stuff were probably buying it out of some kind of guilt, and not because that found it more arousing than the old hustler/he-man stuff. Plus, he seemed to feel that it wasn't fair somehow-- that betty Friedan et al had already established the Woman's Staement on erotica, and we didn't approve. So how dare we redefine it all of a sudden!

 

[jomar]

I tend to wonder about about things such as self-esteem, manipulation and even outright assholism in the amateur porn boards, which are fun to look at mind you.

When I see a woman's face, or anyone's for that matter, I wonder what they are thinking. Does it excite them to think that a neighbor or co-worker might recognize them. You can sort of tell the ones that want to go commercial (e.g., sexy suz), and then there are the swingers seeking playmates, but I wonder if some of the women even know that their private bedroom photo shoot with their loving boyfriend/husband is online for all to see. And I get especially concerned for the woman when I see some guy putting pics of 'my-ex' up since that conjures up thoughts of some guy getting payback for a breakup. Though maybe that's just me.

 

[CharleyH]

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

That was only one view from a certain sector of feminism, not the absolute "truth". Others viewed it as empowering women who knew what they wanted, for example.

 

[SimpleGifts]

I don't think I am an expert but, some of those girls do sound like they *are* liking it. I mean, I do have some reference as to what girls do when they are liking

So, for discussion:

Do they like it?

I'm sure that at least some do--although some probably ARE being exploited (as happens in the "mainstream" film industry, perhaps even more than in the porn industry), and some probably are doing it just because it's a job.

Of those who like it, I'm sure that the reasons for liking are similarly varied. Maybe some like it for the pure sexual pleasure. Maybe some like it for the attention. Or for the notoriety.

The only thing I can really say about porn is that it is as diverse as human tastes and preferences are diverse, and those who participate (and watch) tend to appreciate the diversity rather than condemn it. Those who ascribe a single, limited image to porn are not necessarily bad, but they are wrong.

SG

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I think it's a mixed bag. I suspect there's a good deal of exloitation, and also a good number who do it because they enjoy it, perhaps playing on a strong exhibitionist streak.

I have seen quite a bit of the very high quality lesbian porn created by Girlfriends Films, so my view is a bit skewed. Here's how I described it in an earlier thread:

I am concerned about the effect of porn on many women who appear in the "mainstream" version, which besides being tasteless and crass beyond belief is often misogynist.

There is a sub-genre, though, which is none of these things. I am thinking of the explicit lesbian porn produced by Girlfriends Films. These are created in intimate settings with just the two-camera people in the room. The "director" discusses with the women what they would like to do beforehand, and then just lets them do it at their own pace. It is real sex, sometimes passionate, sometimes playful, sometimes neither of these depending on the chemistry. Many of the women are "regulars," some are like "family," given the small size of the operation. A few come out of the mainstream industry, or go into it, but most are real live lesbians or bi-gals who (obviously) have an exhibitionist streak and just enjoy it. Few are model-perfect, although most are attractive They don't make much money.

Anyway, I don't worry about these gals. I think they can be and are quite proud of what they have created in some cases, as when real passion is captured. But those women who are made into robotic "fuck machines" in the porn mainstream - I worry about them. I fear the potentially soul-killing consequences.

An interesting and thoughtful take on all this from an insider can be seen in Sidney Ellis's column on HotMoviesforHer.com. Sidney is a producer and a performer in GF films. She's a sophisticated writer and artist:
http://www.hotmoviesforher.com/category/between-takes-with-sydni-ellis/

 

[amicus]

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

Well, now come Generation i, gorowing with as much freedom as was ever possible, producing their own porn flicks for posting on YouTube. Lots of semi-amateur work with real people in it...

I don't think I am an expert but, some of those girls do sound like they *are* liking it. I mean, I do have some reference as to what girls do when they are liking

So, for discussion:

Do they like it?

Maharat

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Interesting thread Maharat, thank you...and to all who have contributed...

I am somewhat of a novice at viewing porn...as I mentioned recently I wanted to observe facial expressions and sounds made by the women for a story idea and enhancement and I have found a variety of various quality, to say the least.

The youtube reference interests me as that does not seem to come up when I search for sites...could you perhaps drop a link or two for some of the homemade variety?

Appreciated...

Amicus...

 

[jomar]

Ami...try youporn.com and adultism.com. Both free sites.

 

[emap]

Jomar thank you for mentioning adultism, I had never heard of that one.

Honestly I think most of the women in the new amateur porn being made are enjoying themselves because it's not your basic mainstream porn, it's actual sex. I find myself finding JAV porn to watch with my guy or miss my guy with most of the time because it is mostly regular old sex, even when it is a forced scene it is still mostly regular old sex.

The mainstream pornstars will even tell you most of the time they are faking it. I suppose the ones doing the so called lesbian scenes aren't, though I suppose using a big old strap on and doing regular old sex are a big help on that.

Ami if you want to see a full production movie with women who mostly are actually enjoying themselves, do a search for JAV. I use torrents personally but you can get the DVD for semi cheap, not to mention I beleive they have teasers.

 

[3113]

Um...what does it matter?

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

It always bothers me when generalizations like this are made--not just about porn, but about the women's movement. I mean, if you were raised in a devoutly religious household (Jewish, Christian, Islamic) and had been told that porn was evil, as you would have been, would you now be asking this same question? Can you be Jewish and like porn? Christian and like porn?

My point being this: I'm very sorry if you got slapped by the shrill message of the feminist movement at a certain point when it was trying to empower itself. However, they did have a point AT THE TIME. Which was that women were being portrayed badly in film...and that was ALL film, porn included. There were, back in the day, no women directing porn, or making it full of female fantasies. It was all male fantasies for males. This doesn't mean that women didn't get off on it, just that it was horribly unbalanced and, in it's way, a much propaganda for the man being in charge and on top as G-rated movies where the plucky hero who gets to go adventuring was always a young boy and never a young girl.

Things have changed and there are a good many feminists who do not hold to that old party line any longer because of that change. HOWEVER, I'm sure there are plenty of feminists and feminist groups who are still genuinely worried that porn does exploit women--just as there are plenty of people of various religions who sill believe that porn is wrong and evil. But even if a feminist group has a more liberal view of porn, I'm afraid that standing up for it wouldn't make any group look all that good, not in the current political climate. So if you're looking for a major feminist group to be supportive of porn, you might well be out of luck.

If you're asking, however, if you can be a feminist and still like porn, or if there are feminists out there who like porn, then *shrug* of course. Just like there are religious folk who like porn and are in no way ashamed of that or think themselves any less dedicated to that religion because they enjoy porn.

Feminism, IMHO, is about gaining equality and the right for every woman to be whatever type of woman she wants/can to be, rather than forcing all women to be the type of woman that a patriarchal society wants them to be. That's how I define it. And if you define it the same, then what does it matter what the "movement" once said about porn...any more than it would matter what you'd heard from your pastor or rabbi when you were going to church or temple back in the day?

 

[Oblimo]

Most women who grew up feminist were taught the "truth" about porn:

"It is ugly, it exploits women, and they are all faking."

You've seen 70s/early 80s porn, I presume? That description fits the bill for a wide swath of the stuff.

 

[Lisa Denton]

I've seen some old porn, bad porn, good porn. There were probably very few girls who enjoyed doing porn as little as five years ago. The ones who got off on showing thier bodies, or getting gang-banged. Some just wanted thier next fix or a new tattoo. As always, some wanted to be a movie star and thier agent said this is the way to go.

The industry had been making a half-hearted effort to clean itself up for quite some time. Improve itself, regulate and screen the actors and actresses for medical conditions, occasionally try a film with a plot and actually "legitimize" themselves as entertainment.

Within the last five years or so the half-hearted effort became an actual turn-around in my opinion. What woman interested in doing porn work wouldn't like to have a paid interlude with a handsome/beautiful partner, screened for STD's and in a lavish, high dollar locale with the best make-up, lighting, and filming equipment money could buy. The producers of the films saw dollar signs, the possible actors and actresses wanted the chance to get into the new "clean" porn and the viewers started seeing often really good porn which was often as good as mainstream films.

Enter the new HD, 720P/1500P, Blue Ray or whatever the fuck, and you suddenly have a need for that beautiful actor/actress with no needle marks, bruises or jail-house tattoo's, because that would show, and when they asked them to say a few lines who would have expected it, some could act. So why the fuck not try a film with a storyline intermingled with the hot sex.

Some of the actors/actresses may be enjoying it, there is bad and good acting and scripts, some may be thinking about what to make for dinner and some may be having multiple orgasms.

http://www.picsaway.com/uploads/untitled_8-f4b10794df.jpg

As the industry continues to improve, and entertain not only men but women as well, the viewers continue to get more diverse as well. I have heard about some really good straight porn films from straight women, and lesbian porn films from lesbian women. These are women you would never expect to sit in front of thier computers and watch porn, or order a few DVD''s of porn on-line to watch on thier t.v.'s.

Even those who hate porn love to look for porn and "watch-dog" it as it gets into a better, cleaner, more "legitimate" form of entertainment.

http://www.picsaway.com/uploads/untitled_8a-f4e4bc42c8.jpg

As always, JMO

 

[emap]

Oh speaking of the new porn with a story, I found one, not really watched it yet. I've not been in the mood for a movie with or without sex lately. Anyway the movie is called Dark Angels 2. I beleive that the porn pirates movie, I think it was called Pirates, but not sure has a story line as well, I've not looked for it.

Not to say all the of the older porn movies did not have a story to them, ever watched Dance of the Snow Leopard?

So funny thing, the current porn with a story is simply a throwback to the porn from the 60's to 80's or so when they were mostly made with a story. Not to say they were good stories, actually not all that much in good sex either but there was some sort of a plot.

There is a sad part to this whole porn with a story thing. Ever watched a new movie lately? They are either, a tired old stereotype/plot or a remake of an older movie with the same basic story and alot of added explosions or CG graphics. It's not just Disney anymore.

 

[Oblimo]

As always, JMO

I Wish I Was A Lesbian!

 

[Darkniciad]

Somewhere buried in the AH there's a long discussion about this that started as a story research thread. Considering I've been with a camgirl for over 8 years now, I'd say I know her pretty well *laugh* She absolutely loved it, and it drives her nuts not being able to do it any more ( health issues )

It takes a strong exhibitionist streak and a hyperactive sex drive, but there are a lot of girls that are just doing it for the kicks, with the money and everything else just bonus stuff. She's not the only one I've known over the years either.

 

[Varian P]

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... I wanted to observe facial expressions and sounds made by the women for a story idea...

Amicus...

For just facial expressions and sounds, Beautiful Agony is an interesting departure from "mainstream" porn; people (mostly women, but some men) film themselves from the shoulders up while they masturbate.

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=Varian P;25233356]For just facial expressions and sounds, Beautiful Agony is an interesting departure from "mainstream" porn; people (mostly women, but some men) film themselves from the shoulders up while they masturbate.[/QUOTE]

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Thank you, Varian P...curious to know the origin of your sn...

I have viewed upon the lines you suggest...but I limit myself to portraying sexual encounters within a self chosen limited and defined area, that of heterosexual interaction and even more so to the degree that reflects the mechanics of the act, in terms of male penetration and female invasion.

There is an ineffable mystery as to dominance and submission and lust and passion and intent and reluctance and withholding and giving and taking pleasure and a whole host of things that I lack words for...that I seek in sounds and expressions... and masturbation, just don't get it...smiles...but...thank you again...


Amicus...