How do Christians negatively affect your life?

Hel_Books said:
This doesn't pass the laugh test! If a Christian does a bad thing, you won't say it reflects badly on Christian teaching, but then if a Christian does a good thing, you'll say it's because they're Christian!

Anyway, the "creationist" nonsense is a perfect example of how religion is bad for science. I mean, ask yourself this, if we have fossils of changing forms over billions of years, wouldn't it be saner to see that living things reproduce and change generation after generation, rather than being somehow magically "created" year after year, by a deity tinkering like a child with modeling clay? But (some) people use their Bible to say no, this science bad, ugh.

What?
I didn't say that nor do I do that.

You're saying religion ruins the world. I'm saying the human societies that have existed over history refute your argument.

People who do things in the name of their religion isn't what I'm defending.
When SgtSpiderMan wrote, "They suppress science," you replied, "People who are Christians do that. Christians don't do that." How could that be anything other than a declaration that if a Christian does a bad thing it shouldn't reflect badly on Christianity?

Christopher Hitchens wrote a whole book about how religion is a detriment to society. Here are some quotes from him from that book (and other sources):

Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith.

We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.

Here is my challenge. Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever. And here is my second challenge. Can any reader think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith? The second question is easy to answer, is it not? The first - I have been asking it for some time - awaits a convincing reply. By what right, then, do the faithful assume this irritating mantle of righteousness? They have as much to apologize for as to explain.

If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world.

Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.

In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion.
 
When SgtSpiderMan wrote, "They suppress science," you replied, "People who are Christians do that. Christians don't do that." How could that be anything other than a declaration that if a Christian does a bad thing it shouldn't reflect badly on Christianity?

Christopher Hitchens wrote a whole book about how religion is a detriment to society. Here are some quotes from him from that book (and other sources):

Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith.

We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.

Here is my challenge. Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever. And here is my second challenge. Can any reader think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith? The second question is easy to answer, is it not? The first - I have been asking it for some time - awaits a convincing reply. By what right, then, do the faithful assume this irritating mantle of righteousness? They have as much to apologize for as to explain.

If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world.

Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.


In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion.
Yes, because he mischaracterized peolle based on their entire religion.
When you decide all people in a group do something, you're being insincere...because it is never true.

I'm not defending any religion.

I know you hate religion ;but I truly don't care about your arguments on why.
 
Yes, because he mischaracterized peolle based on their entire religion.
When you decide all people in a group do something, you're being insincere...because it is never true.

I'm not defending any religion.

I know you hate religion ;but I truly don't care about your arguments on why.
It's disingenuous to say that some people "don't do it." Sure, not everyone following the tenets of Communism "did bad things," but that doesn't excuse the badness of the tenets of Communism itself. It's like the leftists forever whining that Communism is OK but it "hasn't really been tried properly yet."

And why say that I "hate" religion? I've given reasons that religion is a seriously bad thing for society and people can't refute that, so they claim I'm a "hater" like some woke academic sputtering because they're unable to win an argument on the facts.
 
It's disingenuous to say that some people "don't do it."
It's logical to understand that everyone has a different perspective.

Sure, not everyone following the tenets of Communism "did bad things," but that doesn't excuse the badness of the tenets of Communism itself. It's like the leftists forever whining that Communism is OK but it "hasn't really been tried properly yet."
Ok.
I've said multiple times that religion is horseshit.
But again - you're ignoring the historical significance of religion because you don't like religion and that is what is disingenuous.

And why say that I "hate" religion? I've given reasons that religion is a seriously bad thing for society and people can't refute that, so they claim I'm a "hater" like some woke academic sputtering because they're unable to win an argument on the facts.
Youve supported why you hate it.
I've never claimed otherwise.
 
Hel_Books said:
And why say that I "hate" religion? I've given reasons that religion is a seriously bad thing for society and people can't refute that, so they claim I'm a "hater" like some woke academic sputtering because they're unable to win an argument on the facts.

Youve supported why you hate it.
I've never claimed otherwise.
Think of it this way: some people won't have their children vaccinated (because of some conspiracy theory or pseudo-science reason) and the results are horrifying. I don't hate those people for their beliefs. It's the beliefs that are bad.

Horoscopes are nonsense, but not objects of hate.
 
Think of it this way: some people won't have their children vaccinated (because of some conspiracy theory or pseudo-science reason) and the results are horrifying. I don't hate those people for their beliefs. It's the beliefs that are bad.

Horoscopes are nonsense, but not objects of hate.
I'm not arguing that you have valid reasons to hate religions. You are deflecting support of your statement that religion hasn't had historical and positive contributions to the world.

You're simply incorrect and no amount of deflection changes that.
 
I don't hate those people for their beliefs. It's the beliefs that are bad.

So your remedy for this is to mandate only the beliefs YOU feel are "good?"

I hope you realize that's actually worse.
 
Hel_Books said:
Think of it this way: some people won't have their children vaccinated (because of some conspiracy theory or pseudo-science reason) and the results are horrifying. I don't hate those people for their beliefs. It's the beliefs that are bad.

Horoscopes are nonsense, but not objects of hate.

I'm not arguing that you have valid reasons to hate religions. You are deflecting support of your statement that religion hasn't had historical and positive contributions to the world.

You're simply incorrect and no amount of deflection changes that.
People say that religion has had positive contributions, but what are they? And don't bother giving examples of Christians doing good things. For every Desmond Tutu, there's a Joe Slovo!
 
Hel_Books said:
I don't hate those people for their beliefs. It's the beliefs that are bad.

So your remedy for this is to mandate only the beliefs YOU feel are "good?"

I hope you realize that's actually worse.
You are comical! Where did I say what beliefs should be "mandated"?

It's the religious types who are forever saying what beliefs should be mandated. Why else try to force schools to have religious texts posted in the classrooms? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" indeed!
 
People say that religion has had positive contributions, but what are they? And don't bother giving examples of Christians doing good things. For every Desmond Tutu, there's a Joe Slovo!
the fact that you can't even do a bit of research on the topic says it all......your argument is hatred of religion nor anything else. It's incredibly stupid.

Religion has driven writing, science, technology, medicine, historical records, space exploration

It has done so either for religion or against it.
 
When SgtSpiderMan wrote, "They suppress science," you replied, "People who are Christians do that. Christians don't do that." How could that be anything other than a declaration that if a Christian does a bad thing it shouldn't reflect badly on Christianity?

Christopher Hitchens wrote a whole book about how religion is a detriment to society. Here are some quotes from him from that book (and other sources):

Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith.

We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.

Here is my challenge. Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever. And here is my second challenge. Can any reader think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith? The second question is easy to answer, is it not? The first - I have been asking it for some time - awaits a convincing reply. By what right, then, do the faithful assume this irritating mantle of righteousness? They have as much to apologize for as to explain.

If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world.

Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.


In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion.
"And here is my second challenge. Can any reader think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith?"....I watched it live on television, it happened on September 11th in New York city. They distorted their faith to justify the killing of innocent believers of a different faith. The answer to your challenge question is available on line for your viewing pleasure and possible education.
 
Hel_Books said:
People say that religion has had positive contributions, but what are they? And don't bother giving examples of Christians doing good things. For every Desmond Tutu, there's a Joe Slovo!

the fact that you can't even do a bit of research on the topic says it all......your argument is hatred of religion nor anything else. It's incredibly stupid.

Religion has driven writing, science, technology, medicine, historical records, space exploration

It has done so either for religion or against it.
What utter rubbish! Yuri Gagarin sent to orbit the earth because of religion? Come on, now, be serious.
 
Good morning!

The New Year is a great time to remind everyone that the thread starter wants you to think he made this thread to defend Christianity.

However, he's also fine with Scientology infiltrating government, as long as Scientologists "vote Republican":

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/next-up-for-maga-govt-the-infiltration-of-scientology.1647388/

Scientologists habitually hate on Christians, and campaign against Christianity.

But, as long as they vote for the same bigotry and hatred the thread starter believes in, he's okay with them pissing all over the Bible.

A perfect example of the Deplorable mindset. Carry on.

:)
 
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You gave "space exploration" as an example of how religion has been a "positive contribution." That's simply not a serious thing to say.
Yes.

Are you suggesting that the multiple people involved in the advancement of space technology weren't driven by a drive for understanding a higher power or that many of them weren't driven there as a result of religion?

Religjon is interwoven into our history.

You truly are seeing this more personal than it is.
I get it.....religion impacts your life negatively. I'm not disputing that.

But your ability to take that beyond is just absurd and lacks any thought.
 
Hel_Books said:
You gave "space exploration" as an example of how religion has been a "positive contribution." That's simply not a serious thing to say.

Yes.

Are you suggesting that the multiple people involved in the advancement of space technology weren't driven by a drive for understanding a higher power or that many of them weren't driven there as a result of religion?

Religjon is interwoven into our history.
Religion is indeed part of human history. Just ask Savonarola or Giles Corey or Leo Frank.

As for people "driven by a drive for understanding" space technology, I couldn't pretend to imagine people's motivations, but, seriously, wouldn't it make more sense to say they might have been motivated by Jules Verne or Daedalus rather than Cain or Abel?
 
Religion is indeed part of human history. Just ask Savonarola or Giles Corey or Leo Frank.
Is anything in human history in any way positive?

As for people "driven by a drive for understanding" space technology, I couldn't pretend to imagine people's motivations, but, seriously, wouldn't it make more sense to say they might have been motivated by Jules Verne or Daedalus rather than Cain or Abel?
Carry on with your stupidity.
 
Hel_Books said:
As for people "driven by a drive for understanding" space technology, I couldn't pretend to imagine people's motivations, but, seriously, wouldn't it make more sense to say they might have been motivated by Jules Verne or Daedalus rather than Cain or Abel?

Carry on with your stupidity.
Keep going, your debating technique simply sparkles, II74!
 
The egyptians managed to lift 50 ton rock beams and we can't design a highway that lasts 5 years. We've lost a few great ideas across the years. Must be those spacemen depicted in the hieroglyphics. Lol. :)
 
The egyptians managed to lift 50 ton rock beams and we can't design a highway that lasts 5 years. We've lost a few great ideas across the years. Must be those spacemen depicted in the hieroglyphics. Lol. :)
Back in the 70's and 80's when Japanese manufacturing and high tech looked set to dominate the world there was a cartoon showing someone dressed in a samurai outfit in a boardroom saying, "The Protestant work ethic isn't cutting it, so we're switching to Shinto."
 
An interesting perspective on all this is supplied by Neal Stephenson's SF novel "Anathem."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem
On the planet Ardre, intellectuals called the avout live like non-celibate (but childless) monks and nuns in cloistered communities called concents. To them, intellectual activity is itself a sufficiently religious calling.
 
Good afternoon!

The New Year is a great time to remind everyone that the thread starter wants you to think he made this thread to defend Christianity.

However, he's also fine with Scientology infiltrating government, as long as Scientologists "vote Republican":

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/next-up-for-maga-govt-the-infiltration-of-scientology.1647388/

Scientologists habitually hate on Christians, and campaign against Christianity.

But, as long as they vote for the same bigotry and hatred the thread starter believes in, he's okay with them pissing all over the Bible.

A perfect example of the Deplorable mindset. Carry on.

:)
 
Good afternoon!

The New Year is a great time to remind everyone that the thread starter wants you to think he made this thread to defend Christianity.

However, he's also fine with Scientology infiltrating government, as long as Scientologists "vote Republican":

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/next-up-for-maga-govt-the-infiltration-of-scientology.1647388/

Scientologists habitually hate on Christians, and campaign against Christianity.

But, as long as they vote for the same bigotry and hatred the thread starter believes in, he's okay with them pissing all over the Bible.

A perfect example of the Deplorable mindset. Carry on.

:)
As usual, rorythesnitch is wrong. I could care less what you all think in regards to Christianity. A person's faith, whatever it may be, is an entirely personal experience. Those without any faith, in anything, like rorythesnitch, have no idea what that entails. Their first response is to attack those with faith, perhaps in jealousy, perhaps in fear. He sees faith as a threat that could undermine his corrupt value system. Christians, like Jews, like Muslins have been under attack and ridicule and threatened with death. We're used to it. Do your damnedest Rory. We forgive you. :)
 
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