last night I watched "The Matrix" pretty freaky

[SebastianHolt]

Uh, I think you watched the wrong movie to ask this question. To my perception, at least, the core message of The Matrix is all about how "we live in a society," like, we are part of a system, we're cogs on a machine, and all that type of stuff. It's an allegory.

Ghost in the Shell came earlier than The Matrix, and it actually delves into your question down even further. I'd say watch that instead. Not the live action though, the original animated film from the 90s. The word "Ghost" in the title literally refers to the spirit.

I asked my local library for the movie "Ghost in the shell" (the movie not the animated). can't wait to rewatch that one

 

[SebastianHolt]

But the thread is about the Matrix. So, I'm done with the discussion of extinctions and whether it's our fault. You seem to be insulted by the fictional characters' bias against humanity. I'm not, I get why he isn't all that impressed with his creators.

in the Matrix - didn't Mr. Smith (or one of them) become human? Thought there was a fight scene on the hovercraft

 

[EmmAgain]

Watched it last month on HBO Max. Damn Keanu Reeves was cute!

I did IB Physics 7 years ago so prob very rusty, but don’t get how you’d increase available energy in a system by ‘growing’ people?

 

[cw5523729]

Watched it last month on HBO Max. Damn Keanu Reeves was cute!

I did IB Physics 7 years ago so prob very rusty, but don’t get how you’d increase available energy in a system by ‘growing’ people?

I don't think it said exactly but basically humans convert food into energy and the machines harnessed that energy

It doesn't sound like the most efficient system but I guess the movie wouldn't work otherwise

 

[SebastianHolt]

Watched it last month on HBO Max. Damn Keanu Reeves was cute!

I did IB Physics 7 years ago so prob very rusty, but don’t get how you’d increase available energy in a system by ‘growing’ people?

say what? your class didn't talk about turning humans into batteries? shame ... shame

 

[EmmAgain]

I don't think it said exactly but basically humans convert food into energy and the machines harnessed that energy

It doesn't sound like the most efficient system but I guess the movie wouldn't work otherwise

Yeah, I guess. But the humans would need energy too, and you’re always going to lose something along the way…

Oh well! Old movie but good.

 

[cw5523729]

say what? your class didn't talk about turning humans into batteries? shame ... shame

See? This is the problem with the Public education system these days. SMH

 

[MillieDynamite]

No, I don't remember any AI computer program appearing outside the Matrix in human form.

in the Matrix - didn't Mr. Smith (or one of them) become human? Thought there was a fight scene on the hovercraft

 

[cw5523729]

Yeah, I guess. But the humans would need energy too, and you’re always going to lose something along the way…

Oh well! Old movie but good.

The humans need food that they convert to energy, just as all living things do. And I guess you're supposed to accept that somehow these machines concluded that that's the most efficient way. I guess it's better than waiting a few hundred million years like we did to turn dinosaurs into fuel...

 

[TheLobster]

I did IB Physics 7 years ago so prob very rusty, but don’t get how you’d increase available energy in a system by ‘growing’ people?

You don’t. The whole premise violates the third law of thermodynamics. It was put in because the original explanation — that machines need computing power of our brains — was deemed unsuitable for Hollywood audiences.

No, I don't remember any AI computer program appearing outside the Matrix in human form.

That’s okay, I won’t blame anyone for memory-holing the sequels.

 

[MillieDynamite]

That wasn't the original concept of the Matrix, but it was easier to explain to us mere humans watching it than that humans were being used as a source of computing power for the machines' neural network.

The humans need food that they convert to energy, just as all living things do. And I guess you're supposed to accept that somehow these machines concluded that that's the most efficient way. I guess it's better than waiting a few hundred million years like we did to turn dinosaurs into fuel...

 

[onehitwanda]

That's Altered Carbon. Excellent books, pretty good series

S1, anyway. S2 jumped the shark big-time.

 

[MillieDynamite]

You fucker, you hit enter before me!

You don’t. The whole premise violates the third law of thermodynamics. It was put in because the original explanation — that machines need computing power of our brains — was deemed unsuitable for Hollywood audiences.


That’s okay, I won’t blame anyone for memory-holing the sequels.

 

[cw5523729]

That wasn't the original concept of the Matrix, but it was easier to explain to us mere humans watching it than that humans were being used as a source of computing power for the machines' neural network.

good thing it was just a movie. There's no way the machines wouldn't have declared me as a net loss to the system.

 

[cw5523729]

You don’t. The whole premise violates the third law of thermodynamics. .

How so? It doesn't say that entropy doesn't exist and its conceivable that the humans are able to process fuel in a way that the machines can't. Using an animal to perform farm work doesn't violate any laws even though work is being performed.

 

[MillieDynamite]

You'd think running all those programs to keep us living our false life would have fucked with the using our computing power anyway.

good thing it was just a movie. There's no way the machines wouldn't have declared me as a net loss to the system.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Because we aren't even a 9-volt battery of power. Keeping us alive would use more energy than we could generate.

How so? It doesn't say that entropy doesn't exist and its conceivable that the humans are able to process fuel in a way that the machines can't. Using an animal to perform farm work doesn't violate any laws even though work is being performed.

 

[TheLobster]

How so? It doesn't say that entropy doesn't exist and its conceivable that the humans are able to process fuel in a way that the machines can't. Using an animal to perform farm work doesn't violate any laws even though work is being performed.

What violates thermodynamics is the idea that it’s more efficient to extract power from human body instead of getting it directly from food used to fuel that body. It presupposes that humans are engines with an efficiency above 100%.

 

[SebastianHolt]

good thing it was just a movie. There's no way the machines wouldn't have declared me as a net loss to the system.

then the system would have to flush the toilet, and down you go

 

[MillieDynamite]

That too!

What violates thermodynamics is the idea that it’s more efficient to extract power from human body instead of getting it directly from food used to fuel that body. It presupposes that humans are engines with an efficiency above 100%.

 

[Britva415]

last night I watched The Matrix. have to say its pretty freaky as to what they got 'right' and the path humanity is taking. I have some questions, but I'm unsure if my question even matters to someone watching the movie (or the reader if I attempt to write a story/book based on the movie).

Question:
Did the movie ever address the "spirit" of the person? When you get plugged into the matrix, are you just a node, or does your being get uploaded into the system? does that make any sense?

If mankind can solve the issue of (not even sure what to call this) the spirit... can a person be plugged into the system and then say downloaded into a different body?

The movie doesn't address this but nothing about it suggests that a specific individual's human consciousness can be divorced from that specific individual's living body.

You aren't even uploading your mind to the matrix: Your experience of the matrix is fed into your mind. Yes, it's a shared environment and experience, but the jack brings perception of it to you and brings an encoding of your actions to the matrix.

Just like how I'm writing in a webpage that's on my phone, my mind is not present inside of the Literotica app server. Or even the phone or the webpage. It's all happening in my wet brain inside my warm skull. Same thing is happening on your end. The humans and our minds aren't getting moved somewhere else. I haven't seen anything in The Matrix which implies leaving the body.

 

[MillieDynamite]

They were going to insert Cyper back into the Matrix, minus all the memories of backstabbing his friends, and a new, more attractive package, unless they were lying.

The movie doesn't address this but nothing about it suggests that a specific individual's human consciousness can be divorced from that specific individual's living body.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The movie doesn't address this but nothing about it suggests that a specific individual's human consciousness can be divorced from that specific individual's living body.

Think I'm one of the few people who ask questions about how they did that! lol most people just go there to enjoy the movie

 

[Britva415]

They were going to insert Cyper back into the Matrix, minus all the memories of backstabbing his friends, and a new, more attractive package, unless they were lying.

Cypher would still be in a battery pod, though. With his brain online, reacting to what the Matrix feeds him across the jack.

Erasing memories doesn't imply a new body or surviving after death or anything like that.

 

[TheLobster]

The movie doesn't address this but nothing about it suggests that a specific individual's human consciousness can be divorced from that specific individual's living body.

Well, not until that business with Neo stuck in a virtual subway station…

They were going to insert Cyper back into the Matrix, minus all the memories of backstabbing his friends, and a new, more attractive package, unless they were lying.

They didn’t necessarily have to lie. Maybe they can perform nanoscale neurosurgery and extricate those memories directly from the neurons they’re stored in. The external stuff is just manipulating the Matrix itself.