Why Some People Hate Jews

[Noor]

I am not a mother so cannot imagine how, if at all, that might change my value on other children's lives?

You?

Would you feel the death of 20,000 children a price worth paying to save yours?

Or 10 perhaps?

Not a mother either, but if an enemy is using children as human shields, I would think there would be no choice.
I suspect as a mother, saving your child is first.
I doubt anyone thinks that way though. No one thought that way about Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden or Bath. They only thought about protecting their countries from the enemy and in the case of Dresden and Bath, doing it to demoralize the enemy.
How many children were killed during world war 2? At least2 million, probably more I’d say. Did anyone expect the war not to stop because of it?

 

[LeahWill]

Not a mother either, but if an enemy is using children as human shields, I would think there would be no choice.
I suspect as a mother, saving your child is first.
I doubt anyone thinks that way though. No one thought that way about Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden or Bath. They only thought about protecting their countries from the enemy and in the case of Dresden and Bath, doing it to demoralize the enemy.
How many children were killed during world war 2? At least2 million, probably more I’d say. Did anyone expect the war not to stop because of it?

I didn't ask if there was a choice.
And the question to BSG you quoted is about Gaza. Not WW2.
Nor did I mention whether the 'war' should be halted or not.

I just asked how many children's deaths in Gaza would be unacceptable to her, and now to you as you appeared to want to join in. On a personal level.
I can say that 20,000 is too many for me. Easy.
(And I am not saying that is a 'legitimate' figure, I am just using it as a convenient starting point).

You cannot say that?
1 child's life against 20,000 other children's is acceptable for you?
If so what is your line in the sand?

You like to ask questions.
But seem afraid to give a straight answer in return.
Are you BSG in disguise..?
(That is just a little joke of course).

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I didn't ask if there was a choice.
And the question to BSG you quoted is about Gaza. Not WW2.
Nor did I mention whether the 'war' should be halted or not.

I just asked how many children's deaths in Gaza would be unacceptable to her, and now to you as you appeared to want to join in. On a personal level.
I can say that 20,000 is too many for me. Easy.
(And I am not saying that is a 'legitimate' figure, I am just using it as a convenient starting point).

You cannot say that?
1 child's life against 20,000 other children's is acceptable for you?
If so what is your line in the sand?

You like to ask questions.
But seem afraid to give a straight answer in return.
Are you BSG in disguise..?
(That is just a little joke of course).

Your question is rigged. Hamas hides behind children. You’re asking that the IDF show greater care with the lives of Gazan children than the Gazans themselves.

My answer is that the IDF should exterminate Hamas as quickly as possible regardless of how many innocent children are killed in the process. Any other course of action will increase the number of children killed.

If a terrorist is holding a school bus hostage, is it acceptable to kill five children to save the other 60?

 

[LeahWill]

Your question is rigged. Hamas hides behind children. You’re asking that the IDF show greater care with the lives of Gazan children than the Gazans themselves.

My answer is that the IDF should exterminate Hamas as quickly as possible regardless of how many innocent children are killed in the process. Any other course of action will increase the number of children killed.

If a terrorist is holding a school bus hostage, is it acceptable to kill five children to save the other 60?

You have chosen to dodge my messages to you and respond to this instead.

Okay. Noted, but I will not do the same.

If you consider my question was 'rigged' it is only because it gets to the core of who you are as a person and the lengths you would go to to achieve your aim.

I though have nothing to fear by answering any question you wish to try and hide behind.

Your question is which is better? Five children dying in a terrorist attack or 65.

Five. Obviously.

Whilst your answer appears to be that you can accept any number of children dying to achieve your goal.

So 5 or 65? The number of children lost would be irrelevant by your standard. The death of the terrorist is your only concern in the scenario you have chosen to paint. As that will save more children in the long run.

Sacrifice the present for a better future. If only the rest of the world had been gifted your ability to forsee what was to come.

On Tuesday evening there was a very interesting interview on 'Channel 4 News' in the UK with a brother of one of the hostages who was taking part in a vigil for them in Jerusalem. (You may be able to see it via their website).

He said that the conflict is always represented as Isreali v Palestinian, but that is not the case.

The conflict he lives through, there on the ground not 1000s of miles away, is between Israelis and Palestinians who just want to live in peace versus Israeli and Palestinian fanatics who both want war at any cost, as they both believe they can win it. They both apparently share your power to see what will be, but with different outcomes. Which augers well for 'your future'...

You should try and watch it. Or maybe not as it will not merely reinforce your opinion.

 

[Noor]

I didn't ask if there was a choice.
And the question to BSG you quoted is about Gaza. Not WW2.
Nor did I mention whether the 'war' should be halted or not.

I just asked how many children's deaths in Gaza would be unacceptable to her, and now to you as you appeared to want to join in. On a personal level.
I can say that 20,000 is too many for me. Easy.
(And I am not saying that is a 'legitimate' figure, I am just using it as a convenient starting point).

You cannot say that?
1 child's life against 20,000 other children's is acceptable for you?
If so what is your line in the sand?

You like to ask questions.
But seem afraid to give a straight answer in return.
Are you BSG in disguise..?
(That is just a little joke of course).

I think it’s important to refer to wars that Europeans and Americans were involved with, I should have probably included the gulf wars too. Most people on this site have no skin in this, they are not Gazans, Israelis or Jews. They don’t really understand what It’s like to be the one who are most at risk. Hamas kills children intentionally.
To expect a war to stop to save possible children out there by the enemy is not realistic.
War is war, people die.
How many children were intentionally killed on Oct 7, mostly tortured or burn alive when Hamas, the elected government of Gaza broke their own ceasefire and invaded Israel?

 

[LeahWill]

I think it’s important to refer to wars that Europeans and Americans were involved with, I should have probably included the gulf wars too. Most people on this site have no skin in this, they are not Gazans, Israelis or Jews. They don’t really understand what It’s like to be the one who are most at risk. Hamas kills children intentionally.
To expect a war to stop to save possible children out there by the enemy is not realistic.
War is war, people die.
How many children were intentionally killed on Oct 7, mostly tortured or burn alive when Hamas, the elected government of Gaza broke their own ceasefire and invaded Israel?

You seemed to think it was a legitimate question when you asked me 'how many'... Twice.

Both of which I answered.

It is a simple question.

How many children's deaths would be too many for you in Gaza?

Perhaps you might do me the same courtesy I showed you by answering the question.

 

[Noor]

You seemed to think it was a legitimate question when you asked me 'how many'... Twice.

Both of which I answered.

It is a simple question.

How many children's deaths would be too many for you in Gaza?

Perhaps you might do me the same courtesy I showed you by answering the question.

It was a serious question since you seemed to have a number in mind.
However I don’t think of war like that.
It’s not a question of body count.
A country doesn’t get to start a war by massacring people they are supposedly at peace with, use their own civilians as human shields and then complain the war didn’t go the way they imagined and the shields whom are brought up to martyr themselves and are intentionally put in harms way, get killed.
I saw lots of livestreams from Gazans on x celebrating the agreement, passing out sweets, while dancing in the street and making threats against the Jews, none of the Gazans looked starved in the least. I’m hesitant to believe any numbers of those killed at this point.

 

[Noor]

If you want to play a numbers game. As to what an Israeli hostage is currently worth, the current agreement is 20 living hostage and 26 dead ones , 2 are unknown, are being released for about 2000 convicted Palestinian from Israeli prisons, so you do the math, roughly 1 to 42.
So about 50000 for the 1200 massacred on Oct 7.

But as I said before, I don’t look at numbers because it’s war and that isn’t how war works.

 

[LeahWill]

If you want to play a numbers game. As to what an Israeli hostage is currently worth, the current agreement is 20 living hostage and 26 dead ones , 2 are unknown, are being released for about 2000 convicted Palestinian from Israeli prisons, so you do the math, roughly 1 to 42.
So about 50000 for the 1200 massacred on Oct 7.

But as I said before, I don’t look at numbers because it’s war and that isn’t how war works.

When feeble obfuscation is all you have...