Why Some People Hate Jews

[Noor]

That is the way it should be when Israel wins a war Arabs started.

Per usual

 

[coati]

The West has always projected its internal anxieties onto the Jews. Guilt about not living up to Christ’s example was projected onto the Jews as the ultimate apostates—deliberately rejecting Christ’s message.

Now the west is anxious about its role in colonialism, so the Jew is transformed into the ultimate colonist—displacing the “indigenous” Palestinians. Both of these framings are lies. Jews didn’t reject Jesus, they just didn’t give a damn about him. Jews didn’t colonize Israel. They just took it back from the Arab conquerers.

The Muslim world has a whole different variety of hate going on. For them, the Jews are uppity slaves, the n*gger who doesn’t know his place. The relationship between Muslims and Jews is a lot like the toxic relationship between white and black southerners.

^^^An example of extreme tribalist thinking that ultimately leads to more tribal violence.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

^^^An example of extreme tribalist thinking that ultimately leads to more tribal violence.

Drawing a false equivalence between Jews and their oppressors doesn’t help end the violence.

 

[coati]

Drawing a false equivalence between Jews and their oppressors doesn’t help end the violence.

You tend to vastly underestimate the collateral damage caused by Netanyahu in his quest to "finish the job" against those oppressors.

 

[Buffalogurl]

^^^An example of extreme tribalist thinking that ultimately leads to more tribal violence.

No, the jews (Pharisees and the Sadducees) the jews upper "higher architecture" not only did they/them reject/hate Jesus they/them facilitated his murder...... there's no getting around this fact...
Thing is bsg the majority of us don't care what happens in the Middle East, the diaper heads and the jews have been killing one another since the beginning of time "that fact ain't gonna change" all we/they/them/majority of us wish your kind would do is stay out of our wallet, we here in America are fucking sick to our back teeth with war........

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You tend to vastly underestimate the collateral damage caused by Netanyahu in his quest to "finish the job" against those oppressors.

The Muslims have been trying to snuff out Israel for over 70 years. Maybe another defeat will convince finally them their genocidal vision is futile.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No, the jews (Pharisees and the Sadducees) the jews upper "higher architecture" not only did they/them reject/hate Jesus they/them facilitated his murder...... there's no getting around this fact...
Thing is bsg the majority of us don't care what happens in the Middle East, the diaper heads and the jews have been killing one another since the beginning of time "that fact ain't gonna change" all we/they/them/majority of us wish your kind would do is stay out of our wallet, we here in America are fucking sick to our back teeth with war........

The Arabs haven’t been in Israel “since the beginning of time”. They only arrived as invaders 1400 years ago. Jews kept their heads down for most of that time and endured the oppression and humiliation. It was only with the collapse of British power after World War II that the Jews saw the opportunity to reclaim control of our homeland. The Arabs have never forgiven us for getting out from under their thumb.

As for the old libel of “the Jews killed Jesus”: The Romans killed Jesus because he was a troublemaker. The Jewish authorities in Jerusalem didn’t feel like Jesus was worth saving. His shenanigans put the entire community at risk.

 

[coati]

The Muslims have been trying to snuff out Israel for over 70 years. Maybe another defeat will convince finally them their genocidal vision is futile.

Going overboard with crazy just makes more crazy.

Netanyahu going overboard with crazy has created a humanitarian crisis that will cause much more crazy.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Going overboard with crazy just makes more crazy.

Netanyahu going overboard with crazy has created a humanitarian crisis that will cause much more crazy.

Netanyahu hasn’t “gone overboard with crazy”. He’s sending troops after Hamas and trying to free the hostages, while warning the civilians in Gaza City to evacuate and providing safe zones in south Gaza to evacuate to.

 

[coati]

Netanyahu hasn’t “gone overboard with crazy”. He’s sending troops after Hamas and trying to free the hostages, while warning the civilians in Gaza City to evacuate and providing safe zones in south Gaza to evacuate to.

You support and disseminate Netanyahu's war propaganda. Many others do not, because they see the daily reports of massive collateral damage and suffering in Gaza.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You support and disseminate Netanyahu's war propaganda. Many others do not, because they see the daily reports of massive collateral damage and suffering in Gaza.

You see what Hamas wants you to see. You don’t see the 100s of thousands of refugees streaming south out of Gaza City to safe zones in the south.

 

[LeahWill]

Netanyahu hasn’t “gone overboard with crazy”. He’s sending troops after Hamas and trying to free the hostages, while warning the civilians in Gaza City to evacuate and providing safe zones in south Gaza to evacuate to.

"At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said".

You can perhaps understand why many people have the opinion that is going 'overboard'.
Is there a number when you consider that would be the case, or is it just however many child deaths it takes if their parents are not Israeli?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

"At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said".

You can perhaps understand why many people have the opinion that is going 'overboard'.
Is there a number when you consider that would be the case, or is it just however many child deaths it takes if their parents are not Israeli?

Save the Children is using numbers released by the Gaza Ministry of Health, aka Hamas. We have no way of knowing what the real number is, or how many of those children were killed by Hamas.

 

[coati]

Save the Children is using numbers released by the Gaza Ministry of Health, aka Hamas. We have no way of knowing what the real number is, or how many of those children were killed by Hamas.

Yes, and we have no way of knowing if the libs and the MSM lied about the results of the U.S. Presidential election in 2020.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Yes, and we have no way of knowing if the libs and the MSM lied about the results of the U.S. Presidential election in 2016.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that released photos of sick kids claiming they were starving. We know they lie for sympathy.

 

[coati]

Hamas is a terrorist organization that released photos of sick kids claiming they were starving. We know they lie for sympathy.

We also know that the libs and the MSM lie regularly so they can stay in power and promote Satanism.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

We also know that the libs and the MSM lie regularly so they can stay in power and promote Satanism.

The MSM has a strong bias toward "both sides" narratives, which help the Republicans.

Democrats and Democratic politicians are more trustworthy. I'm wary about Democratic Socialists.

 

[coati]

Oops, I got the election year wrong in post #114. It was 2020, not 2016.

 

[LeahWill]

Save the Children is using numbers released by the Gaza Ministry of Health, aka Hamas. We have no way of knowing what the real number is, or how many of those children were killed by Hamas.

Okay.

But the question was, what is the number of children deaths you would find unacceptable?

Or do you prefer not to answer?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Okay.

But the question was, what is the number of children deaths you would find unacceptable?

Or do you prefer not to answer?

It would be better if no child were killed in war. Were the deaths of the Bibas children acceptable?

 

[Noor]

Okay.

But the question was, what is the number of children deaths you would find unacceptable?

Or do you prefer not to answer?

What number of children’s deaths would you find unacceptable and would that number change if they were related to you or part of your group?

 

[LeahWill]

It would be better if no child were killed in war. Were the deaths of the Bibas children acceptable?

Absolutely and unequivocally no they were not acceptable, it was a vile act. As indeed were the attacks as a whole.

And yes it would be... "better"... if no child was killed in a war.

So, for the third time of asking, what would be (would have been?) an unacceptable number of children dying in Gaza, for you?

 

[LeahWill]

What number of children’s deaths would you find unacceptable and would that number change if they were related to you or part of your group?

Thank you and that is a very good question which given my question to BSG, which she appears to be unable to give an answer to, I have thought about a lot over the last couple of days.

If my father were taken a hostage, how many children would I think it was 'acceptable' to be killed to gain his release. For a definite I can say 20,000 is too many, and say it without any hesitation.

Would 200 be too many? Yes, it would. Is the life of your father worth 20 dead children's? Or 10 maybe?

For me 10 would be too many. I do not think I could live a life worth living with the knowledge of that being the 'pay-off'.

But if it were just one? If his 'rescuers' came to me and said, "we can get your father back, alive, but there is a chance a child will be killed". My instinct I think would be "Do it".

But...

I know my father. And if he survived at the cost of a child being killed, when the risk that would happen was known in advance, I have little doubt he would say that was not a price worth paying. And of course you can say I am 'glorifying' my father, and his mind would quickly be changed once in captivity etc etc etc. which hopefully we will never have tested. My response is, as I said, ' I know my father'. Best I have.

So factoring that in...who knows what my answer would actually be in those very particular circumstances. I cannot with any honesty say I know.

If he were dead, would it be worth the risk of a child's life. No. he's dead already. Why add a child's death to that tragedy, you think that would make me feel better about his death? His spirit and soul have gone, you think bringing back 'the actual teeth he used to eat his lunch with' is compensation?

And if the 'rescuers' came to me and said "We think we know where your father is being held, so we are going in after we have dropped the explosives to clear the area, and any men, women or children who get in our way, however much they may be a 'victim' of the hostage takers as your father is, will be acceptable collateral damage. You okay with that?"

Then "No, I am not okay with that".

 

[Noor]

Thank you and that is a very good question which given my question to BSG, which she appears to be unable to give an answer to, I have thought about a lot over the last couple of days.

If my father were taken a hostage, how many children would I think it was 'acceptable' to be killed to gain his release. For a definite I can say 20,000 is too many, and say it without any hesitation.

Would 200 be too many? Yes, it would. Is the life of your father worth 20 dead children's? Or 10 maybe?

For me 10 would be too many. I do not think I could live a life worth living with the knowledge of that being the 'pay-off'.

But if it were just one? If his 'rescuers' came to me and said, "we can get your father back, alive, but there is a chance a child will be killed". My reaction I think would be "Do it".

But...

I know my father. And if he survived at the cost of a child being killed, when the risk that would happen was known in advance, I have little doubt he would say that was not a price worth paying. And of course you can say I am 'glorifying' my father, and his mind would quickly be changed once in captivity etc etc etc. which hopefully we will never have tested. My response is, as I said, ' I know my father'. Best I have.

So factoring that in...who knows what my answer would actually be in those very particular circumstances. I cannot with any honesty say I know.

If he were dead, would it be worth the risk of a child's life. No. he's dead already. Why add a child's death to that tragedy, you think that would make me feel better about his death?

However, if the 'rescuers' came to me and said "We think we know where your father is being held, so we are going in after we have dropped the explosives to clear the area, and any men, women or children who get in our way, however much they may be a 'victim' of the hostage takers as your father is, will be acceptable collateral damage. You okay with that?"

Then "No, I am not okay with that".

Interesting. Now what if the hostage was your young child?

 

[LeahWill]

Interesting. Now what if the hostage was your young child?

I am not a mother so cannot imagine how, if at all, that might change my value on other children's lives?

You?

Would you feel the death of 20,000 children a price worth paying to save yours?

Or 10 perhaps?