The Charlie Kirk Shooter Reality Thread

[jomar]

Laz and posse in the nut shell. Masters at twisting the truth, always promoting the exception over the norm as reality.

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The "art of twisting the truth" is a form of manipulation used to control a narrative, deceive others, or avoid accountability
. While blatant lying is straightforward dishonesty, twisting the truth involves a more subtle and insidious approach that manipulates reality to serve a specific purpose. It is a practice used by individuals and groups, from interpersonal relationships to large-scale politics.
Techniques used to twist the truth

• Lying by omission: Instead of making false statements, the manipulator leaves out crucial information that would contradict their desired version of events.
• Rationalization: Manipulators justify their inappropriate or harmful behavior with seemingly logical excuses to make themselves appear reasonable or blameless.
• Gaslighting: This tactic involves creating a false narrative so convincing that the victim begins to doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.
• Sophistry: A sophist deliberately twists facts and uses clever but false arguments to gain an advantage or win an argument.
• Selective attention: The manipulator draws attention to certain facts while completely ignoring others. They may focus on a single piece of a person's behavior, for example, to create a false impression of their entire character.
• Diversion: When pressed with a question or accusation, the person twisting the truth will change the subject to avoid giving a direct answer.
• "Alternative facts": In the political sphere, this is a tactic of presenting demonstrably false claims as though they are a legitimate alternative to the truth.
• Creating "alternative truths" in fiction: In creative writing, twisting the truth can be used to make a story more memorable and compelling. Authors walk a fine line between fact and fiction to cause an audience to question the authenticity of a work.

Motives behind twisting the truth
People twist the truth for many reasons, including:

• To gain power and control: Some use it to control others or a situation for personal gain.
• To avoid negative consequences: Individuals may twist the truth to protect their image, hide guilt, or avoid punishment.
• For self-preservation: In extreme situations, a small lie or distortion of the truth might be viewed as a way to save one's career, relationships, or even life.
• Because of personality disorders: Individuals with certain personality traits, such as malignant narcissism, can be prone to using manipulation and deception as core behaviors.
• For financial or status gain: A person may lie or embellish details to secure a financial deal, get a promotion, or improve their social status.

You have described trump and MAGA leadership perfectly. Well done.

 

[JohnEngelman]

It simply illustrates the fact that killing Charlie Kirk crossed a line for a bunch of us.

My suggestion to you nize peeple on the left is to immediately stop calling random conservatives "Nazis" and "Fascists" especially in person. After this a lot of us are going to take such fighting words as a warning of imminent harm and you can expect us to protect ourselves.

And from now on when you people say you want to kill us, punch us, or etc. we will take you seriously. I imagine the FBI and the police will as well.

You seem to be projecting your hatred onto the left. On both extremes there are people saying crazy stuff. They represent small minorities.

 

[icanhelp1]

You have described trump and MAGA leadership perfectly. Well done.

Well let's start with the left twisting the facts concerning Tyler Robinson.

Even his Parents declared to law enforcement and prosecutors that his political leanings were opposite of theirs. He went off the rails, his sexual leanings and political view were something, but what?... who knows! but they're certainly not conservative.

 

[Baztrachian]

but the Josh Shapiro arsonist was a raving misogynist

Cody Allen Balmer is the man accused of setting fire to Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence on April 13, 2025, during an alleged assassination attempt. Balmer was charged with multiple offenses, including attempted murder and terrorism, and reportedly targeted Shapiro due to perceived injustices related to Palestine.

Balmer hated Shaprio because Shapiro is a Jew. Deal with it. Wiki did.

 

[SkyBubble]

Within the past few days, the Department of Justice deleted one of its own studies from its website showing that “far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists…” The timing comes just a few days after Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, was fatally shot

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/doj-deletes-own-study-website-032537612.html

A partisan "study" that relies on omitting data, redefining terms to fit their predetermined conclusion, and flat-out distortion.

 

[Bn2f]

A partisan "study" that relies on omitting data, redefining terms to fit their predetermined conclusion, and flat-out distortion.

So the report was false to begin with?

 

[Bn2f]

A partisan "study" that relies on omitting data, redefining terms to fit their predetermined conclusion, and flat-out distortion.

I want you to help me out here, ok?
How does a person, say one like me, have a rational conversation with a person who can easily dismiss any info they don't like and then turn around and boost stories from their fee fees or from discredited news organizations?

It's rhetorical so don't hurt yourself trying to reply. The answer is that you can't.
So as long as you're here you can expect me to insult you and your "I'm smiling because there's a dildo stuck deep in my ass" avatar.

 

[SkyBubble]

So the report was false to begin with?

The "study" defines Islamic terror as right-wing. It ignores any and all violence from Antifa/BLM. It has other structural and definitional flaws.

 

[MajorRewrite]

A partisan "study" that relies on omitting data, redefining terms to fit their predetermined conclusion, and flat-out distortion.

Libertarian Cato Institute: over the last 50 years, politically motivated murders by the Right were 6x higher than the Left.

Right: 391
Left: 65

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

Now you’ll probably try to pretend the Cato Institute is liberal.

 

[SkyBubble]

I know who Cato Institute is. I know some people there. It's still a flawed study with the methdological flaws I pointed out above, which you of course refuse to address.

 

[Bn2f]

The "study" defines Islamic terror as right-wing. It ignores any and all violence from Antifa/BLM. It has other structural and definitional flaws.

Haha. It does no such thing.
It used Islamic terrorism as a marker and showed how RW extremism has surpassed.

Here, instead of having you blah blah bullshit on liberals, tell us examples of what you think RW extremism is.

 

[SkyBubble]

In fact, it does define Islamic terrorism as "right wing." But it breaks transgender violence out into its own category.

 

[Lazaran]

Balmer hated Shaprio because Shapiro is a Jew. Deal with it. Wiki did.

Yes. And???



The right wing is rife with “Jew haters”. See: The Unite The Right rally with their “Jews will not replace us” chant; Groypers (The POS who shot Charlie Kirk may have been a Groyper), and even Arab / Muslim "Americans" who VOTED FOR DONOLD TRUMP IN 2024 (when you think about Arab / Muslim "Americans", their beliefs / attitudes and enemies line up with "the right" almost perfectly.



Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Bn2f]

In fact, it does define Islamic terrorism as "right wing." But it breaks transgender violence out into its own category.

Islamic terrorism is not described as RW.
You are a liar.
Answer the question or STFU.

 

[Baztrachian]

The POS who shot Charlie Kirk may have been a Groyper

No, he was gay and he was a leftist. The liberal media has already accepted this. Deal with it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Bonehead Barbie at it again with her unique brand of dumbfuckery.

 

[Lazaran]

No, he was gay and he was a leftist. The liberal media has already accepted this. Deal with it.

Nah, the right wing corporate MSM, Spencer Cox, and the Orange traitor’s administration with their anti-trans / anti-LGBTQ+ agenda have propagated this narrative, while completely ignoring the shooter’s ammosexual background and the online influence of groups like the Groyper Army, etc.

"The left" / Democrats seems to have had little to do with the motivation for the shooting.

Charlie Kirk, the ammosexual shooter, and online culture seem to have contributed every bit of impetus for the shooting.

Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[DeluxAuto]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1326499825603304/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

[DeluxAuto]

No, he was gay and he was a leftist. The liberal media has already accepted this. Deal with it.

If true, your idiot president and dimwitted Mace, fucked up by immediately blaming all Democrats for Chuck's fancy new neck hole.

 

[Lazaran]

Bonehead Barbie at it again with her unique brand of dumbfuckery.

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Religious MAGAts are so weird…

It’s no surprise they shoot each other in the neck…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Hel_Books]

Within the past few days, the Department of Justice deleted one of its own studies from its website showing that “far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists…” The timing comes just a few days after Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, was fatally shot

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/doj-deletes-own-study-website-032537612.html

When the man squatting atop the Republican Party is pro-violence, you're in trouble:

On January 6, 2021, a defeated and desperate Donald J. Trump told his fanatical followers, “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” A MAGA mob marched to the Capitol and attempted to lynch Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and other leaders. It was the single worst act of violence against the pillars of American democracy since the Civil War. In his second term, Trump pardoned more than 1,500 insurrectionists convicted for their violent actions that day.

Trump has encouraged his supporters to assault journalists, and even made comments that could at least be interpreted as suggesting that he wouldn’t mind seeing members of the media killed. He has repeatedly urged police and other law enforcement agents to inflict violence on suspects, and in 2017, made the extraordinary announcement that there were “some very fine people” among the rioters who terrorized the university town of Charlottesville, Virginia.

He has advocated using the military against domestic protesters. In 2020, amid the George Floyd uprising, Trump approvingly quoted a Southern police chief from the 1960s who said, “When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” This year, he actually sent the National Guard to Los Angeles and Washington, DC, to intimidate residents resisting his authoritarian administration.

He renamed the Defense Department the Department of War, and then posted on social media that Chicago was about to find out why it had been renamed.

Trump has said that a number of his political opponents should be prosecuted for treason (a capital offense). He has suggested that “Second Amendment people” might have to intervene against Hillary Clinton. He has publicly stated that Gen. Mark Milley, ex-head of the joint chiefs of staff, should be killed. He has withdrawn the security details from former vice president Kamala Harris and many other opponents against whom his followers have repeatedly threatened violence.

 

[Baztrachian]

"The left" / Democrats seems to have had little to do with the motivation for the shooting.

Don't tell me. Tell this to the people leaving your cult.

 

[Baztrachian]

If true, your idiot president and dimwitted Mace, fucked up by immediately blaming all Democrats for Chuck's fancy new neck hole.

I blame you.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I blame you.

You give me way too much power over you.

 

[Baztrachian]

You give me way too much power over you.

You have quite an ego.