"straight", as compared to faggots, queers, and the rest of us

[dingdongditchding]

I would add that the GLBTQ movement has often exhibited little tolerance for those who have the temerity to veer outside their conceptions of what is acceptable thought. That President Trump has two gay men in prominent positions who actually get things done goes against their grain. It is a paradox, I admit, given that his movement encompasses those who are uncomfortable with extremist GLBTQ thought but so do some of us here. Why does being gay require one to be pro abortion for instance. Let's all be better than this.

only one party requires obedience and hates free speech

 

[ZacharyFagg]

I've been with tons of "straight" guys who have no interest in dick at all, but they want to use my holes. Often they want me to cross dress and be as feminine as possible. They aren't attracted to men, but they will use us slutty bottoms when they are horny because were usually easy. We will get them off, and won't expect them to hang around.
I believe it's about attraction. These men aren't attracted to men or masculinity, so they are straight.

 

[stickygirl]

I've been with tons of "straight" guys who have no interest in dick at all, but they want to use my holes. Often they want me to cross dress and be as feminine as possible. They aren't attracted to men, but they will use us slutty bottoms when they are horny because were usually easy. We will get them off, and won't expect them to hang around.
I believe it's about attraction. These men aren't attracted to men or masculinity, so they are straight.

I've heard the same. Basically men will fuck anything. On one level is just getting their rocks off, but if it ticks the domination box, so much the better.

Gay men kiss and buy each other cute outfits.

 

[RobLivesInTexas]

I've heard the same. Basically men will fuck anything. On one level is just getting their rocks off, but if it ticks the domination box, so much the better.

Gay men kiss and buy each other cute outfits.

Maybe you're being tongue in cheek, but this oversimplifies the matter. Yes, men will probably fuck just about anything. How many boys (or men) will hump a pillow until they cum? (I read once from some "all-men-are-bad"-type feminist that men shouldn't thrust when they have sex. Yeah, like that's going to happen!)

As far as your "gay men" comment goes, that's really a stereotype that I've found more false than true. I consider myself bisexual, and I LOVE to kiss another man! And if I buy him an outfit, it will include a traditional jockstrap and jeans to show off the crotch bulge.

 

[stickygirl]

Maybe you're being tongue in cheek, but this oversimplifies the matter. Yes, men will probably fuck just about anything. How many boys (or men) will hump a pillow until they cum? (I read once from some "all-men-are-bad"-type feminist that men shouldn't thrust when they have sex. Yeah, like that's going to happen!)

As far as your "gay men" comment goes, that's really a stereotype that I've found more false than true. I consider myself bisexual, and I LOVE to kiss another man! And if I buy him an outfit, it will include a traditional jockstrap and jeans to show off the crotch bulge.

Yes I'm being provocative, but I'm tired of men blustering that they are straight, even though they have sex with another dude. At best it's disingenuous.
I totally get it that people need to be discreet to avoid being picked on for their sexuality, but here, on an erotica site?

I wish I had the magic coat that meant my gender could be like a camouflage - acceptable to anyone I met. What happens IRL is that you change your social circle to include only open-minded people, who stick in their own lane and respect individuals for who they are.

 

[RobLivesInTexas]

Yes I'm being provocative, but I'm tired of men blustering that they are straight, even though they have sex with another dude. At best it's disingenuous.
I totally get it that people need to be discreet to avoid being picked on for their sexuality, but here, on an erotica site?

I wish I had the magic coat that meant my gender could be like a camouflage - acceptable to anyone I met. What happens IRL is that you change your social circle to include only open-minded people, who stick in their own lane and respect individuals for who they are.

I hear you. Unfortunately, I have to hide my sexual interest in men at home. I wish I could be open about it, in real life. Be that as it may, I agree with your live-and-let-live attitude. I find most folks on Literotica have the same attitude, although I've run into some opposition, even here. If everyone would adopt the same attitude and leave each other alone, the world would be a lot happier place.

 

[stickygirl]

I hear you. Unfortunately, I have to hide my sexual interest in men at home. I wish I could be open about it, in real life. Be that as it may, I agree with your live-and-let-live attitude. I find most folks on Literotica have the same attitude, although I've run into some opposition, even here. If everyone would adopt the same attitude and leave each other alone, the world would be a lot happier place.

meh... I shouldn't post when I'm grumpy! Got woken by the weather at 3am and haven't slept
Ignore me and carry on zzzz

 

[liqueur]

but I'm tired of men blustering that they are straight, even though they have sex with another dude. At best it's disingenuous.

Yes! This.

 

[RobLivesInTexas]

Yes! This.

Who cares if a man perceives himself as straight when he's having sex with other men? Yeah, maybe it's disingenuous. So what? I've fucked and been sucked by many men who swear they're straight. If that's what they need to do to deal with their sexuality, so be it. As long as he has a tight ass and good oral skills, I'm going to shoot my load in or on him, labels be damned.

 

[BBCfan]

Reading some of these replies I'm surprised more guys aren't aware of another explanation for feeling like a "straight" male but desiring "gay acts". In the field of brain psychology and fetishism, it's very understood that the male brain can develop fetishes that are deeply engrained. Often through experiences that create some kind of brain imprint that at some point will emerge as a strong fetish. For example, a desire to suck dick , usually based on impressionable experiences, good or bad, yet be otherwise wired completely straight Is actually far more common than people realize.
So to refer as oneself as straight in these cases would actually be clinically appropriate and true.

 

[BillyWalrus]

Reading some of these replies I'm surprised more guys aren't aware of another explanation for feeling like a "straight" male but desiring "gay acts". In the field of brain psychology and fetishism, it's very understood that the male brain can develop fetishes that are deeply engrained. Often through experiences that create some kind of brain imprint that at some point will emerge as a strong fetish. For example, a desire to suck dick , usually based on impressionable experiences, good or bad, yet be otherwise wired completely straight Is actually far more common than people realize.
So to refer as oneself as straight in these cases would actually be clinically appropriate and true.

So you include getting fucked in the ass as well as sucking dick? Or does that cross the line lol

 

[BBCfan]

So you include getting fucked in the ass as well as sucking dick? Or does that cross the line lol

If you are asking personally, The idea of being penetrated Is not and has never been part of my fetish. I've never fantasized about it or even considered it, as it was never part of my inprint scenario. It's been 35+ years and my fetish has barely altered, so my guess is it won't evolve to that. Even porn depicting that I do not enjoy watching...
And it is confusing for others to understand as well I'm sure. So many people are black & white in their thinking. When I was dating my now partner, and trying to explain this, I know she considered I was "closeted " and she even thought I would eventually want penetration.
You can't blame one for thinking that as that has happened many times, And the whole fetishism and wiring understanding in not widely known and still kind of in the shadows of sexual mainstream culture. The ignorant replies on even a supposed open minded space like this prove that.

From a psychology standpoint, I'm sure if someone "straight" had a imprint scenario where they were penetrated, Or some other situation that caused an imprint, It could potentially be a fetishistic desire at some point.

 

[BillyWalrus]

If you are asking personally, The idea of being penetrated Is not and has never been part of my fetish. I've never fantasized about it or even considered it, as it was never part of my inprint scenario. It's been 35+ years and my fetish has barely altered, so my guess is it won't evolve to that. Even porn depicting that I do not enjoy watching...
And it is confusing for others to understand as well I'm sure. So many people are black & white in their thinking. When I was dating my now partner, and trying to explain this, I know she considered I was "closeted " and she even thought I would eventually want penetration.
You can't blame one for thinking that as that has happened many times, And the whole fetishism and wiring understanding in not widely known and still kind of in the shadows of sexual mainstream culture. The ignorant replies on even a supposed open minded space like this prove that.

From a psychology standpoint, I'm sure if someone "straight" had a imprint scenario where they were penetrated, Or some other situation that caused an imprint, It could potentially be a fetishistic desire at some point.

Very interesting response. As Popeye says "I yam what I yam, and that's all that I yam".

 

[ZacharyFagg]

I've heard the same. Basically men will fuck anything. On one level is just getting their rocks off, but if it ticks the domination box, so much the better.

Gay men kiss and buy each other cute outfits.

That is a fact, other than I'm not buying anyone an outfit. Guys have bought me jockstraps and harnesses though!
Lots of men will fuck anything. They will fuck a woman they aren't attracted to. And they will fuck a guy.
Most men in prison aren't gay. But some will fuck guys because that's whose around.
And yes, I've know several who just get off sexually dominating another man. Some tell me it's quite the thrill.

 

[stickygirl]

That is a fact, other than I'm not buying anyone an outfit. Guys have bought me jockstraps and harnesses though!
Lots of men will fuck anything. They will fuck a woman they aren't attracted to. And they will fuck a guy.
Most men in prison aren't gay. But some will fuck guys because that's whose around.
And yes, I've know several who just get off sexually dominating another man. Some tell me it's quite the thrill.

Thank you! I thought I was pushing my luck with my comment

 

[ZacharyFagg]

Thank you! I thought I was pushing my luck with my comment

It's funny how angry people can get

Thank you! I thought I was pushing my luck with my comment

Thank you! I thought I was pushing my luck with my comment

It's funny how people get all upset over this particular topic.
I've known lots of men who wouldn't think of doing anything with a masculine man, but they will use a smooth, feminine guy for easy sex. I consider them to be straight. They aren't attracted to masculinity at all. Gay men aren't typically attracted to feminine guys.

 

[BillyWalrus]

I've known lots of men who wouldn't think of doing anything with a masculine man, but they will use a smooth, feminine guy for easy sex. I consider them to be straight. They aren't attracted to masculinity at all. Gay men aren't typically attracted to feminine guys.

That is what my girlfriend always says. She has a lot of gay men as friends and she says when it comes to sex, none of them would give her the time of day. Not that she is interested. She wanted a straight guy but I have to wonder how many straight guys want to be a pure bottom? Maybe there are a lot, who knows?

 

[bobb64]

That is what my girlfriend always says. She has a lot of gay men as friends and she says when it comes to sex, none of them would give her the time of day. Not that she is interested. She wanted a straight guy but I have to wonder how many straight guys want to be a pure bottom? Maybe there are a lot, who knows?

I don't believe any man who bottoms for a man is straight.

 

[HotLoadLover]

What I know is this: language is not rigid and static. Language is a living breathing thing that is constantly growing and evolving. This is not “my opinion”, this is reality.

100% accurate. The best example I can think of is demonstrated by the song "Meet The Flintstones" by legendary composer Hoyt Curtin. I somehow doubt that when he penned the line " we'll have a gay old time! ", he was envisioning Fred going balls-deep in Barney... (but think of how fun that would be! )

 

[ZacharyFagg]

That is what my girlfriend always says. She has a lot of gay men as friends and she says when it comes to sex, none of them would give her the time of day. Not that she is interested. She wanted a straight guy but I have to wonder how many straight guys want to be a pure bottom? Maybe there are a lot, who knows?

I haven't met any guys who claim to be straight who want to suck dick or let a guy fuck him.
But I do know straight guys who like to be pegged, and want to let a passable trans woman fuck them.
Again, they are attracted to women, or at least femininity, and I personally believe that's the difference.

 

[BillyWalrus]

But I do know straight guys who like to be pegged, and want to let a passable trans woman fuck them.

I wonder how many guys there are like that? Would they be content to be pure bottoms?

 

[stickygirl]

It's funny how angry people can get



It's funny how people get all upset over this particular topic.
I've known lots of men who wouldn't think of doing anything with a masculine man, but they will use a smooth, feminine guy for easy sex. I consider them to be straight. They aren't attracted to masculinity at all. Gay men aren't typically attracted to feminine guys.

Hmmm
I guess guys generally demonstrate their preference by their style- in dress as much as grooming.
I’ve dated more women than men but my bf is a middle of the road guy- hairy where you’d expect, never dated a man, open minded. He’ll do nicely

( guess I should add, I’m post op )

 

[stickygirl]

I wonder how many guys there are like that? Would they be content to be pure bottoms?

You mean 100%?
I’d find that difficult to believe

 

[BillyWalrus]

You mean 100%?
I’d find that difficult to believe

Yeah, 100%. You are probably right.

 

[Astroman72]

Reading some of these replies I'm surprised more guys aren't aware of another explanation for feeling like a "straight" male but desiring "gay acts". In the field of brain psychology and fetishism, it's very understood that the male brain can develop fetishes that are deeply engrained. Often through experiences that create some kind of brain imprint that at some point will emerge as a strong fetish. For example, a desire to suck dick , usually based on impressionable experiences, good or bad, yet be otherwise wired completely straight Is actually far more common than people realize.
So to refer as oneself as straight in these cases would actually be clinically appropriate and true.

As far as terminology, I don't refer to myself as "straight" on here because I do generally agree that if you love cock, you're not really straight. But I get the concept, and I think your explanation does exactly describe me.