For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

Prof.Michael Clarke and Ukraine - President TACO won't do sanctions......

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[HisArpy]

Lukoil Oil Refinery in Komi Republic hit....2000 kms inside Russia

I remind Chloe that Hitler had conquered and looted nearly all of Europe at one time and yet he still lost in the end.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I remind Chloe that Hitler had conquered and looted nearly all of Europe at one time and yet he still lost in the end.

He did, but on the other hand, Hitler didn't have the rest of Europe behind him, and the best of the Red Army were the Ukrainian Divisions......and a lot of the USSR's logistics weapons and ammo came from the USA

What we're seeing now is Ukraine eroding Russian infrastructure, taking out their logistics, decimating their manpower - Russian-Ukraine losses in the ***** sector have been at 66-1 for a while, and elsewhere it's now above 10 for 1. Also eliminating their artillery to the point that Ukraine has artillery superiority and NOT making the mistakes Hitler made.

They've taken out 14% of Russian oil refining capacity in the last couple of weeks. Not to mention Russian command posts - those are the experienced officers been whittled away. The armor and the IFV's are gone. Theor air force is wearing down and so is their ability to keep those aircraft in the air. And terror bombing of civilians never won a war by itself. Their economy is heading for the ropes. The Ukrainian Army is getting better. The Russians are getting worse.

Putin is throwing bodies at the Ukrainians and spouting talking points and propaganda in an attempt to create the picture that Russia is winning. Trump is sobbing about so many dead. but really, who cares if Russians die? That's on them and on Putin and guess who started this war. So that's tough shit. The more dead Russians the better. They need to be killed until the Russian Army collapses and withdraws from ALL of Ukraine. And as Russia collapses, it may be time to look at Greater Ukraine, and consider which Oblasts are really Ukrainian and NOT Russian at all. The Kuban to start with.... Bryansk, Kursk and Belgorod for sure.

Russia needs to decolonize, and Muscovy will be a lot smaller without the colonies it's occupied for far to long.

My big fear here is that Trump is busy making the USA an irrelevance whon nobody will take much notice of in a few years time - and China will emerge as the replacement superpower.

Traditionally, when superpower leadership has changed over, we have had world wars - going back to How and Straus and their generational model here. It's all falling into place.




Great Powet Dominance moves from France to Britain



Great Power Dominance moves from Britain to the USA


Great Power Dominance moves from the USA to China???????

 

[ChloeTzang]

Now we know where North Korea got their ship building skills from

Putin embarrassed as new Russian navy ship sinks​

One of Russia’s new naval ships has met an early demise after capsizing and sinking in a Baltic shipyard. The new tugboat, Kapitan Ushakov, was undergoing final outfitting in St Petersburg when it began tilting sharply, prompting a frenzied response from shipyard teams to save the vessel. The new outfitting was too much for the boat to handle, and it was lying on its side just a few hours after it began tipping on August 8. The 70-metre boat was first launched in June 2022 and was intended to tow larger vessels, fight fires and help with search and rescue missions. Initial reports found that a flood began in the machinery compartment of the ship.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...S&cvid=689a1ad28c814c9e85b7e1062423a3bb&ei=13

 

[ChloeTzang]

Karma comes to Russia......

And Russian Oil Refinery Bingo. Have your card ready....

 

[Baztrachian]

Initial reports found that a flood began in the machinery compartment of the ship.

Sounds like someone opened a seacock or a Kingston valve. I know I slam on the Russians but I can't imagine a new ship sinking on its own. Somebody had to have done something stupid here.

Or maybe it was deliberate.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sounds like someone opened a seacock or a Kingston valve. I know I slam on the Russians but I can't imagine a new ship sinking on its own. Somebody had to have done something stupid here.

Or maybe it was deliberate.

Personally that's what I think too. Somebody who knew what they were doing opened her up and down she went. And with that machinery comartment flooded, I imagine that's all the engines and electrics gone. Once those are immersed in salt water, as it would seem they are, well, that's a rebuild I guess. That ship ain't going anywhere for a few more years. Nice.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Another update from Denys.....

 

[HisArpy]

He did, but on the other hand, Hitler didn't have the rest of Europe behind him,

Hitler owned Europe and had all of its resources available to use. For all his cruelty, what he didn't count on was the ability of the people to resist and fight back no matter what.

Ukraine is in the same situation (as is Russia) but Russia is in a position where it still has resources it can tap. Ukraine doesn't have that except for NATO and the US and we're all running out of supplies/weapons/materials we can send without risking our own national security. Eventually the pipeline will dry up.

 

[dmallord]

I remind Chloe that Hitler had conquered and looted nearly all of Europe at one time and yet he still lost in the end.

Hitler thrived while the world sat still—he lost only when the U.S. finally woke up. Now a draft-dodger thinks peace means gifting Putin the land he stole, handing him bragging rights while the ICC has a warrant out for his arrest.

Zelenskyy can attend the Alaska meeting, but only from the cheap seats, while the invader and the felon play Nobel Prize theater. That’s not diplomacy—it’s appeasement with catering.

And the irony? Putin’s flying to Alaska—a land Russia sold in desperation after the Crimean War under Tsar Alexander II. Sold for pennies to keep it from Britain. Now the modern czar shows up, not to reclaim lost soil, but to carve up someone else’s. History keeps its receipts. It's too bad the felon doesn't read about history, or even the audio versions. He's blinded by the Nobel Peace Prize light shining into his eyes.

Arphy, your insight into Ukraine's plight is as dim as Trump's.

 

[HisArpy]

Hitler thrived while the world sat still—he lost only when the U.S. finally woke up. Now a draft-dodger thinks peace means gifting Putin the land he stole, handing him bragging rights while the ICC has a warrant out for his arrest.

Zelenskyy can attend the Alaska meeting, but only from the cheap seats, while the invader and the felon play Nobel Prize theater. That’s not diplomacy—it’s appeasement with catering.

And the irony? Putin’s flying to Alaska—a land Russia sold in desperation after the Crimean War under Tsar Alexander II. Sold for pennies to keep it from Britain. Now the modern czar shows up, not to reclaim lost soil, but to carve up someone else’s. History keeps its receipts. It's too bad the felon doesn't read about history, or even the audio versions. He's blinded by the Nobel Peace Prize light shining into his eyes.

Arphy, your insight into Ukraine's plight is as dim as Trump's.

My eyes aren't clouded by TDS like yours are.

Like Trump I'd like to see an end to the killing. What you'd like to see happen is Trump failing and ignore the killing. Something which points out the flaw in your mental reasoning.

For those who don't actually understand what's going on, Trump is trying to mediate the conflict. Despite Putin's refusals and bad faith, Trump has gotten Putin to the bargaining table. That itself is a sign of hope.

Another thing about mediating disputes that you TDS riddled dipshits refuse to acknowledge; if the parties don't want to do anything except fight, it's not the mediator's fault. In this we can blame both Zelensky and Putin but Trump isn't part of that.

 

[ll74]

My eyes aren't clouded by TDS like yours are.

Like Trump I'd like to see an end to the killing. What you'd like to see happen is Trump failing and ignore the killing. Something which points out the flaw in your mental reasoning.

For those who don't actually understand what's going on, Trump is trying to mediate the conflict. Despite Putin's refusals and bad faith, Trump has gotten Putin to the bargaining table. That itself is a sign of hope.

Another thing about mediating disputes that you TDS riddled dipshits refuse to acknowledge; if the parties don't want to do anything except fight, it's not the mediator's fault. In this we can blame both Zelensky and Putin but Trump isn't part of that.

"In one day..."

47 capitulates to Putin.

 

[Rightguide]

Hitler owned Europe and had all of its resources available to use. For all his cruelty, what he didn't count on was the ability of the people to resist and fight back no matter what.

Ukraine is in the same situation (as is Russia) but Russia is in a position where it still has resources it can tap. Ukraine doesn't have that except for NATO and the US and we're all running out of supplies/weapons/materials we can send without risking our own national security. Eventually the pipeline will dry up.

And most of Ukraine's natural resources are at present held or threatened by the Russians in the east.

 

[ll74]

Cesession of land by Ukraine requires a vote of Parliament. Already not happening.

 

[dmallord]

My eyes aren't clouded by TDS like yours are.

Like Trump I'd like to see an end to the killing. What you'd like to see happen is Trump failing and ignore the killing. Something which points out the flaw in your mental reasoning.

For those who don't actually understand what's going on, Trump is trying to mediate the conflict. Despite Putin's refusals and bad faith, Trump has gotten Putin to the bargaining table. That itself is a sign of hope.

Another thing about mediating disputes that you TDS riddled dipshits refuse to acknowledge; if the parties don't want to do anything except fight, it's not the mediator's fault. In this we can blame both Zelensky and Putin but Trump isn't part of that.

Arphy, I want to see an end to the killing, too—especially the innocent civilians targeted daily by Russia’s missiles and bombs. But unlike you, I don’t think peace comes from backing a draft-dodger who ignores those killings while chasing photo ops with a murderous dictator.

You say my reasoning is “mentally flawed,” yet your take demands we celebrate failure over a doomed mission impossible scenario and dismiss the real victims. You fly straight to TDS at every turn when I speak, just like a KGB operative's obfuscation. Insults are rather stupid in the face of this Don Quixotesque journey to Аляска (Alyaska).

Putin “coming to the table” is classic maskirovka — a KGB tactic of deception, disinformation, and distraction designed to confuse and lull opponents into complacency. It’s a well-rehearsed act stretching back years, staged to create photo ops, buy time, and let Putin consolidate gains while the naive celebrate premature victories.

Trump falling for this charade again fits the pattern: the deal-maker dazzled by the illusion of progress, ignoring that the “table” Putin sits at is rigged from the start. Putin didn’t come out of genuine peace interest — he came for free PR, to legitimize his aggression, and to divide his opponents.

Zelenskyy has been clear: land swaps are a non-starter for peace. Yet Trump presses ahead with a meeting that ignores this red line. Today, in a baffling slip, he twice said he was flying to Russia to negotiate—drawing quiet smiles from his own staff—when in fact the meeting is in Alaska.

If this meeting is truly about negotiating land swaps, then why isn’t Ukraine’s president at the table?

How can a country be expected to bargain over its own territory—its sovereignty and future—when it’s excluded from the conversation?

The idea that a mediator isn’t at fault if the parties refuse to agree is a dodge. A mediator’s core job is to bring all genuine parties to the table and ensure fair negotiation.

When the mediator excludes the victim—the country under attack—and instead hosts talks between the aggressor and himself, the failure lies squarely with the mediator. This isn’t neutral ground; it’s a staged event where the aggressor sets the agenda, and the mediator enables it by sidelining the rightful party. That’s not impartial mediation; it’s complicity in injustice.

If you honestly believe Ukraine should “compromise” by handing over land it bled to defend, you’re already siding with Russia — just without admitting it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Like Trump I'd like to see an end to the killing.

Let's correct that misconception right from the start. Trump does not want to see an end to the killing. He wants to see the open battle postponed until after his Presidential term is over.

Should there be a ceasefire or some sort of imposed agreement, Russia will simply continue the killing inside the occupied territories until there are no Ukrainians left. Bucha and Kherson are evidence enough of that. What Trump would rather do is IGNORE the killings that he doesn't want to know about.

All the evidence points to Putin simplt using any ceasefire to rebuild the Russian Army and attack again, as he did in Chechyna. He has broken every agreement he has ever signed. Is Trump prepared to put the US Army on the ground, between Russia and Ukraine, with a committment to fight the Russians if they break any ceasefire or treaty? THAT is the only guarantee that would work. If Trump is not prepared to do that, he is simply guaranteeing that Russia will attack again from a stronger position in the near future, and the killing will resume with Ukraine at a greater disadvantage.

Again, there is NO WAY Trump can guarantee a ceasefire or a peace agreement that will last. None at all. He might want the killing to stop, but the only way it will stop is
(a) if Russia is defeated (killing will stop)
(b) if Russian wins (my bad. Killing will not stop. It will continue until the Ukrainian genocide is complete)

Yes, you would like to see an end to the killing of Ukrainians (I really don't care about Russians). We all would. That will only happen when Russia is defeated.

What you'd like to see happen is Trump failing and ignore the killing. Something which points out the flaw in your mental reasoning.

Nope. Trump and you are both ignoring the fact that the killing will continue. Only, it will be behind Russian lines, and then when Russia attacks again. It's honestly better that Trump fail now, STFU, and just sell weapons to Ukraine. He's not going to achieve anything except make himself look like a fool. Which he is already doing to the rest of the world. Particulary those who understand Russia.

This IS WW3, and Trump is already losing it.

For those who don't actually understand what's going on, Trump is trying to mediate the conflict. Despite Putin's refusals and bad faith, Trump has gotten Putin to the bargaining table. That itself is a sign of hope.

No, he's not. He's made concessions on behalf of Ukraine he is not entitled to make. He's sided with Putin and attacked Ukraine again and again.

He is in no way a mediator.

Another thing about mediating disputes that you TDS riddled dipshits refuse to acknowledge; if the parties don't want to do anything except fight, it's not the mediator's fault. In this we can blame both Zelensky and Putin but Trump isn't part of that.

And Trump should just stay out of it. There is no need for mediation. All Trump needs to do is step back, impose sanctions on Russia as the aggressor, and sell weapons and ammo to Ukraine and let them do the job.

Trump has positioned himself firmly on the wrong side of history on this one. He'll go down alongside Neville Chamberlain, and there was absolutely no need for him to do this to himself.

 

[ishtat]

Hitler owned Europe and had all of its resources available to use. For all his cruelty, what he didn't count on was the ability of the people to resist and fight back no matter what.

Ukraine is in the same situation (as is Russia) but Russia is in a position where it still has resources it can tap. Ukraine doesn't have that except for NATO and the US and we're all running out of supplies/weapons/materials we can send without risking our own national security. Eventually the pipeline will dry up.

Whatever "solution" the USA and Russia may cook up doesn't actually matter in the long run. Russia may get the territory they covet on paper. the USA may be enabled to strip Ukranian natural resources, but as a minimum Russia is guaranteed a century of rebellion and insurrection. Think Ireland or Poland, the latter a country with no legal existence for 123 years after partition in 1772. Conventional military warfare may cease, but the conflict will continue. Politicians never understand the concept of civil insurrection and they always lose in the end. Bluntly, a long term running sore may be in the best interests of everyone else - except the Russians and Ukranians.

 

[HisArpy]

Let's correct that misconception right from the start. Trump does not want to see an end to the killing. He wants to see the open battle postponed until after his Presidential term is over.

Trump has been adamant that his goal is to stop the killing. He's said this many times and there's nothing to show that he feels differently than what he's said.

Should there be a ceasefire or some sort of imposed agreement, Russia will simply continue the killing inside the occupied territories until there are no Ukrainians left. Bucha and Kherson are evidence enough of that. What Trump would rather do is IGNORE the killings that he doesn't want to know about.

Then it will be Russia who would be in violation of their own peace agreement. This is not unusual between warring nations where rancor runs deep.

All the evidence points to Putin simplt using any ceasefire to rebuild the Russian Army and attack again, as he did in Chechyna. He has broken every agreement he has ever signed. Is Trump prepared to put the US Army on the ground, between Russia and Ukraine, with a committment to fight the Russians if they break any ceasefire or treaty? THAT is the only guarantee that would work. If Trump is not prepared to do that, he is simply guaranteeing that Russia will attack again from a stronger position in the near future, and the killing will resume with Ukraine at a greater disadvantage.

This is always the risk as we have seen with Hamas/Hezbollah and Israel. Their ceasefire agreements always seem to allow the Palestinians to rearm and attack again in the future. Trump's challenge is to get both sides to agree to just stop fighting and then stick to their agreements.

Again, there is NO WAY Trump can guarantee a ceasefire or a peace agreement that will last. None at all. He might want the killing to stop, but the only way it will stop is
(a) if Russia is defeated (killing will stop)
(b) if Russian wins (my bad. Killing will not stop. It will continue until the Ukrainian genocide is complete)

Yes, you would like to see an end to the killing of Ukrainians (I really don't care about Russians). We all would. That will only happen when Russia is defeated.

Trump isn't in a position to guarantee anything. His role is to mediate an agreement between the parties. That's it.

Nope. Trump and you are both ignoring the fact that the killing will continue. Only, it will be behind Russian lines, and then when Russia attacks again. It's honestly better that Trump fail now, STFU, and just sell weapons to Ukraine. He's not going to achieve anything except make himself look like a fool. Which he is already doing to the rest of the world. Particulary those who understand Russia.

Then he looks like a fool for trying to save lives when neither party cares about those lives.

This IS WW3, and Trump is already losing it.

No it isn't. Not yet. It will be if Russia is pressed to the point they will use nukes, but we aren't there yet.

Following what you want to happen will guarantee that nukes will be used.

No, he's not. He's made concessions on behalf of Ukraine he is not entitled to make. He's sided with Putin and attacked Ukraine again and again.

He is in no way a mediator.

He has no stake in the outcome other than in his role as a mediator and trying to bring the parties to the bargaining table. Putin wants certain things, Trump, as mediator, will convey those demands to Zelensky. That's not a concession of anything.

He also hasn't "attacked Ukraine." That's just ridiculous to say.

And Trump should just stay out of it. There is no need for mediation. All Trump needs to do is step back, impose sanctions on Russia as the aggressor, and sell weapons and ammo to Ukraine and let them do the job.

Which will start WWIII. There's no wiggle room here, if the two nations continue to fight and Ukraine pressures Russia hard enough, Ukraine will be nuked and the world will be poorer for it.

Trump has positioned himself firmly on the wrong side of history on this one. He'll go down alongside Neville Chamberlain, and there was absolutely no need for him to do this to himself.

This may end up being true but there's an old adage that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Whatever your view of Trump the person, he's doing more than nothing. He may not succeed, but he's in there trying. And he's doing it despite the badmouthing he's getting for it.

 

[HisArpy]

And most of Ukraine's natural resources are at present held or threatened by the Russians in the east.

Ukraine cannot win this conflict. Russia has superiority despite the string of small battle victories Ukraine has made.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump has been adamant that his goal is to stop the killing. He's said this many times and there's nothing to show that he feels differently than what he's said.

Then he needs to make realistic proposals istead of blowing smoke out his ass. Putin;s intentions are perfecty clear. It's only Trump who fails to understand them.

Then it will be Russia who would be in violation of their own peace agreement. This is not unusual between warring nations where rancor runs deep.

And then what will Trump do about that? Putin doesn't give a crap what agreement he violates. He's been vioaltimg agreements since 2014 with Ukraine and all the USA's guarantees have proved worthless. What makes us think Trump's will be any different, particular;y since he refuses to provide guarantees.

This is always the risk as we have seen with Hamas/Hezbollah and Israel. Their ceasefire agreements always seem to allow the Palestinians to rearm and attack again in the future. Trump's challenge is to get both sides to agree to just stop fighting and then stick to their agreements.

And just how will he do that? Short of putting US troops on the the ground? Putin does not want peace. He is playing rings around Trump, not that Trump minds. He is doing his best to help Putin without making it totally obvious. He will take any bullshit Putin feeds him and use it as an excuse not to impose sanctions. He has not provided any new military assistamce for Ukraine. He has walked away from the security guarantees the USA signed off on and between this and tariffs, rendered any agreement with the USA a worthless piece of paper.

Yes, there is a BIG risk. No. Ukraine cannot afford to accept that risk.

Trump isn't in a position to guarantee anything. His role is to mediate an agreement between the parties. That's it.

Then he should STFU and sell weapons to Ukraine. No agreement with Russia is worth the paper it is written on. Putin has broken every agreement he has ever signed.

Then he looks like a fool for trying to save lives when neither party cares about those lives.

I repeat, he is NOT trying to save lives. He is trying to save Russian lives and make it easierfor Putin to overrun Ukraine. He doesn't object at all to Ukrainians being killed. He has proven that time and time again

No it isn't. Not yet. It will be if Russia is pressed to the point they will use nukes, but we aren't there yet.

Nothing to do with Russia. Russia is merely an adjunct to China and China is playimg the long game, aiming to take over as THE world superpower from the USA. This war plays into China's hands, and the USA is losing, because China is fighting WW3. The USA is already abdicating, and Trump is rapid;y losing any allies the USA might have.

Following what you want to happen will guarantee that nukes will be used.

Nope. LIke it or not. Ukraine can make itself into a nuclear capable state very quickly, startig with dirty bombs. If a nuke is used on Ukraine, you can bet there will be a nuclear response. Dirty bombs. Missiles into nuclear reeactors. Russia understands that.

He has no stake in the outcome other than in his role as a mediator and trying to bring the parties to the bargaining table. Putin wants certain things, Trump, as mediator, will convey those demands to Zelensky. That's not a concession of anything.

Questionable. The way he's acting is suspiciously like Putin has something on him.

He also hasn't "attacked Ukraine." That's just ridiculous to say.

He has consistently attacked Zelensky and Ukraine, in public, vocally. YOu don't do that to an ally and you don't do that if you are a "mediator."

Trump has chosen sides. He just can't go to far or even the GOP might not be able to stomach it.

Which will start WWIII. There's no wiggle room here, if the two nations continue to fight and Ukraine pressures Russia hard enough, Ukraine will be nuked and the world will be poorer for it.

ANd if Russia uses nukes, Russia will find Moscow sprayed with radioactive waste.

If it comes to that, it's more likely Putin will eat a lead pill in an internal coup. There's already rumors......

This may end up being true but there's an old adage that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Whatever your view of Trump the person, he's doing more than nothing. He may not succeed, but he's in there trying. And he's doing it despite the badmouthing he's getting for it.

Trouble is. he's siding with evil on this one.

 

[HisArpy]

Then he needs to make realistic proposals istead of blowing smoke out his ass. Putin;s intentions are perfecty clear. It's only Trump who fails to understand them.



And then what will Trump do about that? Putin doesn't give a crap what agreement he violates. He's been vioaltimg agreements since 2014 with Ukraine and all the USA's guarantees have proved worthless. What makes us think Trump's will be any different, particular;y since he refuses to provide guarantees.



And just how will he do that? Short of putting US troops on the the ground? Putin does not want peace. He is playing rings around Trump, not that Trump minds. He is doing his best to help Putin without making it totally obvious. He will take any bullshit Putin feeds him and use it as an excuse not to impose sanctions. He has not provided any new military assistamce for Ukraine. He has walked away from the security guarantees the USA signed off on and between this and tariffs, rendered any agreement with the USA a worthless piece of paper.

Yes, there is a BIG risk. No. Ukraine cannot afford to accept that risk.



Then he should STFU and sell weapons to Ukraine. No agreement with Russia is worth the paper it is written on. Putin has broken every agreement he has ever signed.



I repeat, he is NOT trying to save lives. He is trying to save Russian lives and make it easierfor Putin to overrun Ukraine. He doesn't object at all to Ukrainians being killed. He has proven that time and time again



Nothing to do with Russia. Russia is merely an adjunct to China and China is playimg the long game, aiming to take over as THE world superpower from the USA. This war plays into China's hands, and the USA is losing, because China is fighting WW3. The USA is already abdicating, and Trump is rapid;y losing any allies the USA might have.


Nope. LIke it or not. Ukraine can make itself into a nuclear capable state very quickly, startig with dirty bombs. If a nuke is used on Ukraine, you can bet there will be a nuclear response. Dirty bombs. Missiles into nuclear reeactors. Russia understands that.


Questionable. The way he's acting is suspiciously like Putin has something on him.


He has consistently attacked Zelensky and Ukraine, in public, vocally. YOu don't do that to an ally and you don't do that if you are a "mediator."

Trump has chosen sides. He just can't go to far or even the GOP might not be able to stomach it.


ANd if Russia uses nukes, Russia will find Moscow sprayed with radioactive waste.

If it comes to that, it's more likely Putin will eat a lead pill in an internal coup. There's already rumors......



Trouble is. he's siding with evil on this one.

I think you need to step back and look at what you're saying here because most of it seems to be from ire and spite.

Then there's this

2 points that are coming out of this bit of news:

1. Just days ago Zelensky was adamant that he wouldn't accept any deal in which he had to give up territory in order to get peace. Today, he's prepared to do that. So long as it's not Trump who gets the credit. Which sounds a lot like sour grapes from someone who would prefer to keep fighting because he's getting rich from it and he doesn't really care what's happening to his country and people.

2. The deal Trump is trying to broker between Russia and Ukraine is the "European backed deal." It's kind of hard to say Trump is the rogue actor here if Europe is on board with what he's trying to do.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Case in point. Trump blowing smoke out his ass again and attacking Zelensky for defending his country against a genocidal maniac.

Trump can be borther all he likes about Ukrane's constitution. That's tough shit for Trump. He should be borther by Putin attacking Ukraine. But he's not, and that says it all.

THIS is evil. And THIS is why I will not vote GOP again. In fact this is why I will actively vote AGAINST the GOP.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What a twisted way to frame it. Zelensky didn’t “get approval to start a war”, Russia invaded, and Ukraine has been defending itself ever since. What could cause anyone to watch the Russian invasion of Ukraine (We know Trump has seen it because it was big on Fox in the beginning) and see anything other than Putin attacking, invading, and trying to take over Ukraine.

If he's lying, and knows he's lying, he shouldn't be President. If he's this delusional that he actually believes this, he's too much of a whack-job to be President. Ir does Putin have something on Trump? Somebody has to know...Absolute fuckimg idiot. Zelenskiy did NOT start a war, and no one needs approval to defend their country. And no, he doesn’t need anyone’s “approval” to trade away his country’s land, because it’s not up for trade in the first place.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump is actually more delusional than Biden....at least Biden had sane people behind the scenes running things.

He disagrees with Zelensky leading the defense of Ukraine? He thinks maybe Zelemsky and Ukraine should have rolled over for genocide?