Online Safety Act (UK)

[Quimpossibility]

Personally? If Lit is based in the US and i were in charge, I'd just ignore it and if they complain i'd tell them to kiss my ass and pound sand, and fine me if they want I'd never pay it. The most i'd consider doing is for UK IP's to have a cover page, then point to a proxy server/vpn to use, as well as who to call to annoy them.

But there's similar pushes for the same act in Australia and in the US. So it's a concerted effort much like PIPA to censor the internet, it's just coming back in another form.

Said bills affect everything on the internet if they pass. Any interactive medium of any kind for example.

This is not about protecting kids. It's about establishing an internet ID so they can track you, and much like a Chinese credit score, shut you down if you're a bad citizen and question the narrative or think for yourself.

Not to mention a similar censorship is also going on with Steam/Itch.io where games of any adult nature are getting yanked off, where payment processors are said to be the ones to blame, but visa/mastercard/paypal are getting their lines clogged up (and probably will be now) for weeks to come.

Well sure, but eventually the site would just get blocked by the UK.

Assuming the UK gov doesn't take eighten million of their profits, which may cause the entire site to close.

I don't think there's anything desperately conspiratorial going on. It's entirely possible they believe this is in kids' best interest as well as being transactional between big business and big tech.

 

[yano2mch]

Well sure, but eventually the site would just get blocked by the UK.

And then people would just VPN to get to it anyways. I don't see a difference in things.

Assuming the UK gov doesn't take eighteen million of their profits, which may cause the entire site to close.

I don't think there's anything desperately conspiratorial going on. It's entirely possible they believe this is in kids' best interest as well as being transactional between big business and big tech.

Maybe. Except this isn't the first time around this has been pushed at.

This feels like Regulatory Capture. That's where there's bodies created to manage something like drugs, and then the drug companies bribe and get everyone on the advisory boards to go along with what the drug companies want. The CDC board getting kickbacks for vaccines, the food and drug administration allowing food coloring that are obviously toxic because if they don't they won't get huge bonuses. A number of officials have put suggested bills up without changing the name or filling it out making it clearly obvious it was someone else's handiwork and not their own.

Then you have G7, Bilderburg, WEF conventions, where world leaders from all over meet up, secret meetings we aren't privy to and then they all want to implement the same thing at the same time. A little too convenient in timing and a little too similar to other bills with too similar of names.

 

[Quimpossibility]

Unless vpn's are blocked

 

[Evil_Genius007]

Where you are hosted doesn't matter. For example if Lit ignored the UK they have the power to get lit delisted from google.

That's why literally tens of thousands every day are buying VPN's....I'm currently out of Seattle

 

[Evil_Genius007]

Only if Lit advertises in the UK. If Lit has no business in the UK then the UK can go fuck themselves with their censorship.

Hey, it's our communist government, Trump came over and made Starmer look like a real wet wipe, which isn't hard!

It's not the people of the UK, this act is about control and censorship of objection to government policies and protests against them, which has already been proved 48 hours in!

Masses of us are getting VPN's to get round this, the governments reaction....begging us to not get them and to consider banning them! Which proves this IS about state censorship and control and not about safety..... remember, if a government tells you something is for your safety or convenience....it really isn't!

For those slagging off Trump, stop falling for the globalist propaganda, he has shown he loves our country and people more than our government does!

We are truly living in a dystopian world here.... George Orwell's 1984 world!

 

[Quimpossibility]

Hey, it's our communist government, Trump came over and made Starmer look like a real wet wipe, which isn't hard!

It's not the people of the UK, this act is about control and censorship of objection to government policies and protests against them, which has already been proved 48 hours in!

Masses of us are getting VPN's to get round this, the governments reaction....begging us to not get them and to consider banning them! Which proves this IS about state censorship and control and not about safety..... remember, if a government tells you something is for your safety or convenience....it really isn't!

For those slagging off Trump, stop falling for the globalist propaganda, he has shown he loves our country and people more than our government does!

We are truly living in a dystopian world here.... George Orwell's 1984 world!

"communist government"?

How on earth is pandering to private for profit tech companies even remotely communist?

 

[ToPleaseHim]

"communist government"?

How on earth is pandering to private for profit tech companies even remotely communist?

The Trump fanatics are so lost, so blind. I feel sorry for them. I hope they wake up, but they aren’t giving much hope of that.

ETA: Of course, it’s a “brand new member.”

 

[Evil_Genius007]

"communist government"?

How on earth is pandering to private for profit tech companies even remotely communist?

Come live in the UK and find out....

 

[Quimpossibility]

Come live in the UK and find out....

/facepalm

 

[yano2mch]

Unless vpn's are blocked

How do you do that?

The TCP/IP or IP6 protocol doesn't specify if a connection is encrypted, or VPN, it only has a source/destination and other related packet bits of information. While IP6 is around the system still uses IP4 for the most part . And since half the stuff is encrypted anyways (say HTTPS) then you don't know what's in the packets.

Masses of us are getting VPN's to get round this, the governments reaction....begging us to not get them and to consider banning them! Which proves this IS about state censorship and control and not about safety..... remember, if a government tells you something is for your safety or convenience....it really isn't!

This is just like prohibition banning alcohol or cigarettes. You can't change people. No matter how much you ask and beg you will just have a law everyone has on their mind they consciously ignore and hate the government for at the same time. Nevermind in the EU right now if you put out a tweet on Twitter they don't like you'll get a visit from the police.......

You COULD make a really good argument if the government is backed by a morale upstanding people who haven't ever done anything wrong and have always had your best interest at heart... Yeah right.

 

[OneEyedSteve]

How do you do that?

The TCP/IP or IP6 protocol doesn't specify if a connection is encrypted, or VPN, it only has a source/destination and other related packet bits of information. While IP6 is around the system still uses IP4 for the most part . And since half the stuff is encrypted anyways (say HTTPS) then you don't know what's in the packets.



This is just like prohibition banning alcohol or cigarettes. You can't change people. No matter how much you ask and beg you will just have a law everyone has on their mind they consciously ignore and hate the government for at the same time. Nevermind in the EU right now if you put out a tweet on Twitter they don't like you'll get a visit from the police.......

You COULD make a really good argument if the government is backed by a morale upstanding people who haven't ever done anything wrong and have always had your best interest at heart... Yeah right.

Thatcher's government was riddled with paedo's and sex cases when she was oppressing freedoms

 

[Quimpossibility]

How do you do that?

I don't know, but i'm willing to bet there's a way, proabably a very destructive one at that.

This bill is popular

 

[Adrian69702006]

Anyone hear "Any Questions?" On Radio 4 last night? This Act was discussed and participants who warmly supported it were loudly applauded. When a lone voice dissented (a Reform representative I believe), the claps he received were at best half hearted and at worst derisory. It proved to me just how much the people appear to have been duped.

 

[ElvieG]

I don't think there's anything desperately conspiratorial going on. It's entirely possible they believe this is in kids' best interest as well as being transactional between big business and big tech.

The Online Safety Bill is an attempt to control what adult UK citizens are allowed to read/watch/say on the internet, and to enable the government to identify those whose opinions it considers harmful. Remember, this is the same government that invented the concept of non-crime hate incidents, which granted itself the unrestricted power to snoop on everyone's bank accounts, and who had the cheek to demand that Apple allow them to read your encrypted text messages.

The current UK government fancies itself as all-powerful and authoritarian and seems to be deliberately trying to provoke civil unrest as an excuse to increase its overreach. This is not too smart when you've already crashed the economy, alienated the majority of the population and your police force is seen to be weak and easily intimidated.

 

[Quimpossibility]

Anyone hear "Any Questions?" On Radio 4 last night? This Act was discussed and participants who warmly supported it were loudly applauded. When a lone voice dissented (a Reform representative I believe), the claps he received were at best half hearted and at worst derisory. It proved to me just how much the people appear to have been duped.

It isn't so much the bill per se that's the issue: child safety online is a huge problem.

It's how it is implemented and what is required.

Polling suggests the bill has a lot of support, but support for the privacy methods involved is much smaller

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

The Online Safety Bill is an attempt to control what adult UK citizens are allowed to read/watch/say on the internet, and to enable the government to identify those whose opinions it considers harmful. Remember, this is the same government that invented the concept of non-crime hate incidents, which granted itself the unrestricted power to snoop on everyone's bank accounts, and who had the cheek to demand that Apple allow them to read your encrypted text messages.

The current UK government fancies itself as all-powerful and authoritarian and seems to be deliberately trying to provoke civil unrest as an excuse to increase its overreach. This is not too smart when you've already crashed the economy, alienated the majority of the population and your police force is seen to be weak and easily intimidated.

Unfortunately, it isn't just there. The Plague has infested the US and apparently the EU.

It's being funded and driven by 'billionaires' who have made their fortune by gathering and selling personal information.

 

[Quimpossibility]

These forays into conspiracy are counter productive

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Facts are hard for some to swallow.

 

[Adrian69702006]

It isn't so much the bill per se that's the issue: child safety online is a huge problem.

It's how it is implemented and what is required.

Polling suggests the bill has a lot of support, but support for the privacy methods involved is much smaller

I agree. Unfortunately the Act is causing adults inconvenience whilst offering all the benefits of a chocolate fireguard to the young people it is supposed to protect. It may prevent a small number of young people accidentally stumbling across material which isn't for their eyes. However it won't minors intentionally accessing unsuitable materials as they will probably know their way around the solutions better than most adults. Also it doesn't and can't address the problem of unscrupulous websites, mostly hosted overseas, which refuse to comply with age verification. Yes they can theoretically be fined up to 10% of their turnover, but I suspect that won't deter most of them from taking their risk.

Young people can be kept safe online whilst in school and there are plenty of tools for doing that already. They can be kept safe at home too if parents take the initiative. For pretty much as long as the Internet has existed, there have been tools which parents can use to help with that if need be. However the best safety is surely for young people to be able to have open and honest conversations with parents and teachers about how they feel, the experiences they have on or offline, whether anything makes them feel uncomfortable and the state of their mental health/headspace. Parents can take an interest in what there young are up to and initiate such conversations from time to time.

 

[Quimpossibility]

True but unfortunately there ar emany parents who simply don't give a shit. So what about their kids? Or their friends?

Whatever the solution is, this isn't it.

 

[yano2mch]

These forays into conspiracy are counter productive

Anymore what is 'conspiracy' tends to be proven as 'fact' within 6 months.

Unless Literotica takes a lot of money from the UK (for VOD or something) then they should just... ignore it.

OR take the opposite approach. It's said 'the best way to repeal a law, is to vigorously enforce it'. So everyone has to enable facial scans or ID checks, do it ON EVERY PAGE, EVERYWHERE. EVEN IF THEY ARE LOGGED IN. And be sure to have phone numbers of who to call to be annoyed at for it being there Even those in Brussels and the UK will get annoyed, especially when family starts calling to ask why the internet suddenly is unusable.

Something like streaming (music, video, entertainment) should be verifying every 5 minutes instead. And of course all TV networks just shut down because they can't scan your face. Ooops, there goes the BBC.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Anymore what is 'conspiracy' tends to be proven as 'fact' within 6 months.

Given the outlandish conspiracy theories spouted on the regular in the US, this statement does not ring true to me.

 

[Spanky1372]

How do you do that?

The TCP/IP or IP6 protocol doesn't specify if a connection is encrypted, or VPN, it only has a source/destination and other related packet bits of information. While IP6 is around the system still uses IP4 for the most part . And since half the stuff is encrypted anyways (say HTTPS) then you don't know what's in the packets.



This is just like prohibition banning alcohol or cigarettes. You can't change people. No matter how much you ask and beg you will just have a law everyone has on their mind they consciously ignore and hate the government for at the same time. Nevermind in the EU right now if you put out a tweet on Twitter they don't like you'll get a visit from the police.......

You COULD make a really good argument if the government is backed by a morale upstanding people who haven't ever done anything wrong and have always had your best interest at heart... Yeah right.

Can I just ask.

You're from America? Is that correct?

 

[yano2mch]

Can I just ask.

You're from America? Is that correct?

Yes... That a problem?

 

[Spanky1372]

Yes... That a problem?

No not a problem but I'm just curious about your viewpoint as it's the UK online safety bill meant to safeguard the underage community and you've took it into a tailspin.