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[AALP]

The main reason that I have been loud about her is that I believe that collective action (or discussion) is a legitimate response to bullies

No offence, AU, but SN has had you on strings for months now and you're too blinded by obsession with them to see it. You're not alone, but you're the biggest example of it. If you want to cut the strings, just move on. Even the people who hated them the most have all moved on.

You weren't here when it started. A few writers collectively made fun of SN and had some laughs at their expense. Nothing too bad, just made fun of their reviews and called them crackers. Next thing SN just arrived and took things too far defending themselves against that "collective action". They deserved to be banned because it went way beyond defending themselves. You can't go onto a forum and pick people up and throw them around, even if those people fired the first shots. They also said they were being bullied when they arrived, hence their sudden arrival, but they chose to just run straight through them all without any thought for an appropriate response. We've seen that if SN doesn't respect you, they just run straight through you.

But they've been gone for 2 or 3 years now. You're devoting so much of your time and energy to someone who isn't coming back.

I'm really sorry this happened to you. I made a comment above about developing a thick hide through science papers.

I saw that at the time and didn't agree. If it's true, then show us all how thick your hide really is. Either reach out to them and talk about it or just ignore them and stop giving them so much attention. This all needs to stop.

I noticed a few days ago that she was launching a fresh battleship of outrage, targeting people with attractive profile pics, trans and lesbian stories.

No one likes SN and you clearly hate them, but if you click on the link to their profile that you provided in a dedicated thread, it's clear that they're looking for LGBTQ+ content to read and review. You've framed that as them targeting minorities to abuse them because of their sexuality, which is not true. I've seen comments from SN about being either gay or bisexual, depending on whether they are male, female or trans.

Do you see how problematic that is? You can be right about SN being mean and harsh in their reviews, but coming here to suggest that they're part of the KKK, when they didn't say that, damages your own credibility. It gives me reason to doubt your judgement, even when you're right. You're so blinded by obsession that you can't see that. I'm convinced that soon someone will blame SN for starving the Palestinian children.

Have you ever had a discussion with SN? Some of us have either interacted with them on the board or spoken to them, so they aren't radio silent. Someone is running the SN account. Did you ever raise any of the hundreds of posts or threads you've created about them? Did you ever post a comprehensive response to their comment on your story? One that would've discredited and refuted them on a point by point basis and wiped the floor with them?

After they sent you their lengthy comment/review, you had a choice to make. Either spend half an hour posting 500-1,000 words where you humiliate them with a refutation on every point they raised in your review, or you could spend 100+ hours writing 80,000+ words on the board about how much you hate them and not correct anything they've said in your review. You chose the latter and it doesn't make any sense to me.

You've got the time and energy for at least 500 words because it feels like you're single handedly keeping the entire SN topic going. If SN was a business, you'd be the single largest shareholder. If what they said about your story was so wrong, then it'll be easy to show that. You've shown us for months and months that you care very deeply about what they think and it's better for the board if you finally squash it. Just move on.

3 months from now, either the SN topic will finally be dead or AU's obsession is going to keep it going. Most of us want the SN topic to die. Stacnash Fatigue is real. We're sick to death of it.

 

[ElectricBlue]

3 months from now, either the SN topic will finally be dead or AU's obsession is going to keep it going. Most of us want the SN topic to die. Stacnash Fatigue is real. We're sick to death of it.

It's a popcorn topic for most of us, I think, but it's still shitty that she zooms in on stuff where there's no evidence whatsoever for the listing. The so called contraventions of the site's terms of service, for example - if those stories are still up, the site has determined, "Those stories are okay by me, signed Laurel," and those lists are baseless. That's the shitty thing going on there. The plagiarists' list is spot on for at least one of those writers, though, so there's that.

 

[AALP]

It's a popcorn topic for most of us, I think,

You're not running to the board to post about them every day and start threads every time they make the slightest move. That's what most of us are so tired of. Aren't you tired of it, EB?

A topic that can never advance in any substantive way because SN got themselves deservedly banned from here and those that want their head have got nothing to go on except the reviews. I don't even feel comfortable talking about SN on the board on my main in case I antagonise someone on either side, that's how ridiculous all of this has become. That's why the SN topic has to go away. 2-3 years is far too long.

The plagiarists' list is spot on for at least one of those writers, though, so there's that.

if those stories are still up, the site has determined, "Those stories are okay by me, signed Laurel," and those lists are baseless.

The person on the plagiarist list has all their stories up too. I can't remember which story, or if there were more than one that had plagiarised content, but if those stories were successfully resubmitted to Lit then they're still here. The fact that the stories are here today wouldn't make that list baseless as many of us here know that person was caught.

The rest of it is just really annoying. The description on SN's AI list claims that those they've included had said they used it as part of their process. Someone screenshotted it earlier in the thread. I've got no idea how SN would know that or could even possibly know that. Plus, those 3 names on that list are really random.

Seems more like their attempt at showing how morally righteous they are by pointing out cases where the site's moral judgement has been found lacking.

AD said it better than I can. To me, SN is basically broadcasting which stories they reported and telling us which ones were successful and unsuccessful. It speaks to their ego as to why they think anyone would care as they have only 5 followers, but it's definitely them saying "Literotica might be okay with this, but I am not", because the stories offend their moral absolutes. The same goes for stories on the confirmed list that may have been temporarily removed by Lit until the author made changes and resubmitted them, like @Kelliezgirl.

That's SN's opinion and it's packaged in a way that's typical of SN, but it's only their opinion. They're entitled to their opinion, but some here shouldn't be so invested in their opinions.

My view on SN is that they're a purist who lost themselves into puritanical excess. I think they've got a lot more in common with @Actingup than either would like to admit. Both make good points at times, both are often correct at times, but SN is so determined to speak their mind, while AU is so desperate to beat SN, that they resort to tactics that completely undermine themselves and then nobody wins.

In the context of this forum and writing, SN is a nobody. They will remain as a nobody until such a day arrives where they either contribute their own stories or offer some kind of acknowledgement or apology for the tone they've used when speaking to people. None of those things will happen, but I could never spend months dangling on SN's strings getting played like a puppet like AU's done.

 

[Actingup]

No offence, AU, but SN has had you on strings for months now and you're too blinded by obsession with them to see it.

AALP? I don't know you, and you don't know me. Please don't try and tell me what I'm thinking or feeling. But please do feel free to mute the thread.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

@AALP
I agree with some of your points, and I agree that SN is completely irrelevant for anything we do in Literotica. But don't fall for the same trap in the sense of exaggerating how much of an influence a thread like this one has. It's only about fifty of us, or a bit more, reading this stuff. Its impact is close to that of SN lists, which is non-existent.

Authors can be like that; the very existence of something that besmirches their work irks them regardless of its importance. So some authors use this thread to vent their frustration and make jokes at SN's expense. To be honest, some of them here probably think too much of it all.
And of course, let's not forget to mention those who see SN's reviews as deep and insightful, and even fair.

Once again, don't mistake this thread and this forum for what they're not. There is no Literotica-wide impact for anything we say or do here, not even close. This is also not a place where we seriously discuss writing-related topics.

Browse through the forum and you'll see that a huge majority of topics are either games, info requests from new authors, fun and meme threads, and of course, topics where we boast/gossip about comments, ratings, votes, and feedback in general. This thread, even though I partially agree with you, is still very much appropriate for this place.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

That's what most of us are so tired of.

In about a month?

 

[TheLobster]

There is no Literotica-wide impact for anything we say or do here, not even close. This is also not a place where we seriously discuss writing-related topics.

Yes, I too sometimes wonder what am I doing here.

*closes tab and goes back to writing*

 

[Voboy]

In about a month?

Yuuup.

Found the alt!

 

[ElectricBlue]

Yuuup.

Found the alt!

AALP acknowledges they're an alt:

I don't even feel comfortable talking about SN on the board on my main in case I antagonise someone on either side, that's how ridiculous all of this has become. That's why the SN topic has to go away. 2-3 years is far too long.

Hiding in plain sight, whoever it is, and has been around long enough to remember Stac's first arrival.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

In the context of this forum and writing, SN is a nobody. They will remain as a nobody until such a day arrives where they either contribute their own stories or offer some kind of acknowledgement or apology for the tone they've used when speaking to people. None of those things will happen, but I could never spend months dangling on SN's strings getting played like a puppet like AU's done.

SN is certainly a nobody, but I think your characterization of AU is needlessly pejorative.

I'll continue to contribute to threads like this not because a troll like Stac has any influence over me, but because I don't want her to have any influence over anyone else.

Something I've learned from my time in the AH is that there are people who are insecure about their writing. I don't want anyone to be discouraged and give up because of a clown like Stac. So, I'll ridicule her every chance I get because that's something self righteous prigs can't handle.

 

[Omenainen]

I don't even feel comfortable talking about SN on the board on my main in case I antagonise someone on either side, that's how ridiculous all of this has become.

For my part, I think using alts is lame.

That's why the SN topic has to go away. 2-3 years is far too long.

Good luck with your new and shiny cat-herding career.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Do I detect a slightly pink-ish tinge?

 

[lovecraft68]

There is no Literotica-wide impact for anything we say or do here, not even close. This is also not a place where we seriously discuss writing-related topics.

Browse through the forum and you'll see that a huge majority of topics are either games, info requests from new authors, fun and meme threads, and of course, topics where we boast/gossip about comments, ratings, votes, and feedback in general. This thread, even though I partially agree with you, is still very much appropriate for this place.

I agree, we're a tiny percentage of authors here. The attitude among some may be that we're of the utmost priority and importance here, but that's simply not true.

Remember that Pony famous thread by Melissa? Because of it I occasionally find myself thinking "Are you forum famous or story side famous?" One does not equal the other in many cases.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

So, has anybody annoyed by StankNasty bothered to report the profile?

 

[lovecraft68]

This might be the easiest to spot alt I've seen since people used to do it for fun on the General Board.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Good luck with your new and shiny cat-herding career.

Shiny cats?

 

[SyleusSnow]

But she attacked my credibility by putting me on her damn list.

And mine. I don't generate stories with AI.

The person's complaint isn't just suspected use of generative AI... it's also any use of grammar checkers (yes, they wrote me with their "reasons").

Trolls gonna troll, but unlike their other lists this is new AI list is libel, and I've reported it.

 

[Actingup]

So, has anybody annoyed by StankNasty bothered to report the profile?

Yes, for the new lists of accusations. Maybe I’m just curious to see whether I’ll get another revenge review .

 

[lovecraft68]

And mine. I don't generate stories with AI.

The person's complaint isn't just suspected use of generative AI... it's also any use of grammar checkers (yes, they wrote me with their "reasons").

Trolls gonna troll, but unlike their other lists this is new AI list is libel, and I've reported it.

I was going to do that if there were a few people on the plagiarist list but the only name on there I know has done it.

I didn't see the AI list. I gave up reporting things a long time ago, got tired of seeing it be ineffective. I also don't like the whole Karen feeling of ratting people out, but I agree with you and @MillieDynamite that this isn't an opinion on a story, this is actual slander.

I think anyone on it should report it.

The other list is reported for violations which has me on it for a story I removed to put in an anthology and they claim violated rules. One by @Kelliezgirl and the other is @ChloeTzang

That's also something that's slander especially seeing two of those stories are still live as was mine until I chose to remove it.

They also have an 'unconfirmed violations" list of 4 stories

One thing in common? All the names on the three lists are forum members.

Targeted harassment sounds like a good reason for anyone to report

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

@Laurel, @Manu, opinions?

 

[ChloeTzang]

The other list is reported for violations which has me on it for a story I removed to put in an anthology and they claim violated rules. One by @Kelliezgirl and the other is @ChloeTzang

That's also something that's slander especially seeing two of those stories are still live as was mine until I chose to remove it.

Ohhhhh that rubbish. Yes, I guess Stanash whined about some technicality on that story and reported it and it was taken down. I fixed whatever it was, which was so inconsequential that I can't even remember it, in about 15 seconds and resubm,itted and its back up. A really minor mistake that no-one but an anally retarded loser would even bother to bitch about. Fixed and forgotten. Id even forgotten Stacgnat was the whiner.

 

[Katie_Mae]

Ohhhhh that rubbish. Yes, I guess Stanash whined about some technicality on that story and reported it and it was taken down. I fixed whatever it was, which was so inconsequential that I can't even remember it, in about 15 seconds and resubm,itted and its back up. A really minor mistake that no-one but an anally retarded loser would even bother to bitch about. Fixed and forgotten. Id even forgotten Stacgnat was the whiner.

That sounds like it may have been something that didn't quite meet the content guidelines, rather than a full on breach of the ToS. The latter is what the list states.

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Look, I'm all for peoole having opinions and expressing them. I'm opinionated. But when people misrepresent their opinions as facts, they can become untruths. That's where I'm taking issue.

If Stacnash *did* post a review on my story, and that contained untruths, I'd absolutely call her out on it, but the fact is I've never received a comment. I've just been placed on a list with no idea of why I'm accused. ToS 4? Clearly not.

She can call mt story a badly written piece of shit and I'll stand by her and I agree with that. But I did not purposefully cross the line of acceptability. My work is acceptable according to the site, hence why her report was dismissed without action, and it's not possible to "purposefully" cross the personal line of someone else if you don't know about it.

If Stacnash changed the list I'm on and called it "stories which abide by the rules, but which contain sexual kinks which I find offensive" then I wouldn't take issue with that.

 

[Voboy]

That sounds like it may have been something that didn't quite meet the content guidelines, rather than a full on breach of the ToS. The latter is what the list states.

There are many instances (some of which happened to me) where a story fully meets the content guidelines, but gets pulled anyway. Laurel tends to shoot first and ask questions later, where reader complaints are involved.

In my case, I changed nothing; I merely pointed out that the "reader" (actually a fellow AHer from back in the Day) had been wrong, and probably certainly malicious, in reporting my stories. They were quickly reposted.