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Agree totally. Boyega is an excellent actor and they gave him nothing to do.

Ever see Attack the Block? He was the star of that. A weird, daffy alien invasion movie that worked for whatever reason. Boyega was very young in that but you could tell he had charisma as an actor.
 
Was kinda hoping this thread would derail into sexy sci-fi ideas, but it's sadly, on topic.
 
Agree totally. Boyega is an excellent actor and they gave him nothing to do.
I mean, he had plenty to do in TLJ and that was great fun. And then Team Racist Incel lost its shit about "forced diversity" or whatever various dogwhistles stood in for that and Disney was cowardly and that was the end of Finn doing anything meaningful. Rose Tico, also a fun character from TLJ, was also very firmly and explicitly put in her place in TRoS, and the irony was that all of these moronic scumbags they were trying to appease still hated the movie anyway.
 
I mean, he had plenty to do in TLJ and that was great fun. And then Team Racist Incel lost its shit about "forced diversity" or whatever various dogwhistles stood in for that and Disney was cowardly and that was the end of Finn doing anything meaningful. Rose Tico, also a fun character from TLJ, was also very firmly and explicitly put in her place in TRoS, and the irony was that all of these moronic scumbags they were trying to appease still hated the movie anyway.
I still remember Kevin Smith's instant reaction to TROS (biased as he is), crying in his social media post, thanking JJ Abrams for bringing Star Wars back. 😂
 
I mean, he had plenty to do in TLJ and that was great fun. And then Team Racist Incel lost its shit about "forced diversity" or whatever various dogwhistles stood in for that and Disney was cowardly and that was the end of Finn doing anything meaningful. Rose Tico, also a fun character from TLJ, was also very firmly and explicitly put in her place in TRoS, and the irony was that all of these moronic scumbags they were trying to appease still hated the movie anyway.

I don't agree with this at all. I thought Finn's role in TLJ was a pointless diversion. I thought his character was totally wasted. I thought Rose Tico served no purpose at all. Her little heart felt speeches made me cringe.

My view of wokeness and movies is this: Wokeness doesn't by itself make a movie bad, but it also doesn't make a movie good. It doesn't compensate for bad story telling. And I believe a lot of people with woke sympathies got invested in TLJ in a way that made them overlook its obvious rottenness and get irrationally defensive against criticisms of it, which were entirely well deserved. It's an obvious mess of a movie. Wokeness isn't its biggest problem, but it also doesn't save it.
 
I don't agree with this at all. I thought Finn's role in TLJ was a pointless diversion. I thought his character was totally wasted. I thought Rose Tico served no purpose at all. Her little heart felt speeches made me cringe.
Didn't feel the same way at all. But that's a matter of the value you place or don't place on their inspirational role rather than on objectives like "the codebreaker." And that's a question of whether you see the narrative potential of those things, which as it happened were very deliberately not permitted to pay off.

I liked that TLJ took the time to make points like "life is valuable beyond military objectives" and "the Resistance is about more than a few individuals with the right bloodlines." It was the sort of thing that Star Wars had really forgotten could be part of stories[1]. Had TRoS done something with those ideas it would have been... I mean, it could have at least been a movie with some kind of vision behind it, instead of what it was.

I don't particularly give a fuck about "wokeness" if I'm honest. I just like good characters and fun and actually, genuinely, don't care what race or sex they are. I can watch and enjoy a Scandinavian crime drama where everyone's white just as easily as I can spend a couple of hours on The Woman King, and for much the same reasons. The indulgence of irrational wokephobia and allowing it to distort a movie to the point of effectively destroying it is a whole different ballgame. That I have nothing but contempt for.

[[1] Another point in favor of TLJ was that it actually did innovative things in a franchise that had for a long time been painting inside the lines of nostalgia:
  • Luke Skywalker projecting a force ghost of himself across star systems to mess with Kylo Ren was light-years cooler than basically all the fannish notions of what he should have been doing that came from disaffected Star Wars geeks.
  • The Holdo Maneuver that had so many nerds in their feelings was mad cool.
  • That the quest to find "the codebreaker" turned out to be a misfire in a practical sense was narratively interesting, and that the real payoff of that mission was inspiring the downtrodden of Canto Bight was pretty rad.
  • That the possibility was hinted at that Rey might be cool and powerful despite not coming from any kind of Force dynasty bloodline was a breath of fresh air.
It was all messy, but it's all the kind of thing I mean when I say that TLJ actually had ideas and ambition. They just didn't know what to do with it, so, you know... let's undo it all and Bring Back the Emperor with some random gibberish about "force dyads."]
 
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