Using AI.

[yano2mch]

I get you, and I agree with all of it. The quality of the 10 books in 10 minutes would be top-notch, too, with good models, from what I've seen.

Even top notch models act weird. I think all output needs to be reviewed.

But, from the last year or two, as I've started writing a little seriously, you know, trying hard to get to the other side of being a reader, I've kinda realized what a harsh mistress writing is. Weeks of procrastination, months of wallowing in my writer's block, and the constant imposter syndrome whether I really belong on this side. It's a fight every day, in a way, for me.

Now AI just comes and makes everything so silly. Writing is, in my opinion, one of the most unrewarding activities ever. Sure, it's a lot of fun to build worlds, write character profiles n all, but turning up every day and sitting for four to six hours before the empty page is quite challenging.

And why i would prefer to do an RP-style which helps me navigate those problems, and then modify the output when i'm cleaning it up. This of course assumes i have an output or story i feel is worthy of sharing.

Like, I'll have twenty-odd reasons why I started a certain scene at a beach and not somewhere else, or why I said the sky was rouge in the fading twilight and not orange or crimson. There's no magic with the text generator for me. It's all quite artificial — like none of it is real. Even now, I am struggling so much with my little silly stories, but the struggle is part of the journey, no? AI, or rather, text generators simply makes it all a simple chore of typing two sentences to get twenty, and twenty to get five hundred.

Maybe the problem, is everyone is assuming it's a 'all-in-one' or 'one size fits all' tool. Thinking it's the end point, when it should instead be the midpoint and to iterate. In many ways at that view you'd get too many lazy people who don't know how to even use the tool right.

If it outputs the wrong colors than re-write the sections that are bad. If it's all bad then throw it all out. I'm sure there's a lot of fluff and background details that i don't need to write.

In many ways as i think about it; AI is the walking-simulator of tools. (If you never played a walking simulator there's games that look good, but you literally press W to walk forward, and it's all environment but nothing to interact with, think The Chinese Room was a major group doing those, atmospheric but that was it. For Stanley Parable it was the narrator you interacted with that was the funny part).

 

[SkyBubble]

People who need a computer to tell them what works and what doesn't are unlikely to possess the skills to revise a story, and will probably not realize how easy it is for their chicanery to be detected.

I don't think that's necessarily true. You can get feedback without any "chicanery" like you could from a reader or editor.

Here are the parts of your story that really work well. Here are the parts that could use improvement. And again, it's another opinion, like using three beta readers or two editors. You don't have to accept any of it, but it might be useful information to tell you where you need to rewrite or restructure.

 

[filthytrancendence]

On one hand, this thread seems like it's never going to die, because Yano's found a never-ending stream of bystanders to keep having the same argument with.

On the other hand, if it keeps some the AI arguing contained, maybe it's better this way. Like the AH's very own Loving Wives.

Maybe Yano is an AI bot cleverly designed by some AH'er to contain the discussion of AI bots. Ingenious.

 

[Britva415]

On one hand, this thread seems like it's never going to die, because Yano's found a never-ending stream of bystanders to keep having the same argument with.

On the other hand, if it keeps some the AI arguing contained, maybe it's better this way. Like the AH's very own Loving Wives.

Maybe Yano is an AI bot cleverly designed by some AH'er to contain the discussion of AI bots. Ingenious.

Careful, ya don't wanna no 2 mch

 

[onehitwanda]

Careful, ya don't wanna no 2 mch

Absit, o absit omen!

 

[yano2mch]

Careful, ya don't wanna no 2 mch

Ack! You've deciphered mein name! How could this be!?!? I was sure i hid it in plain sight!

 

[rjhsteel]

How do you get ChatGPT and the like to write an erotic story?

They normally refuse when i ask

 

[StillStunned]

How do you get ChatGPT and the like to write an erotic story?

They normally refuse when i ask

This really isn't the best place to ask that question. Most of us here are writers. We write for the fun of writing. Besides the ethical and environmental considerations of using AI, why would we use a tool that diminishes our enjoyment and creates an inferior product? And that won't be accepted for publication here on Lit?

 

[Wonderer67]

I use it for work to help me write long, complex emails, instructions or complex communication and to analyze data. We have an in-house proprietary LLM we use but sometimes to analyze data, ChatGPT works better.

I have never used it to write stories. I like the creative process. (I usually use voice to text when driving to and from work and then revise and check it manually.

I am embrassed to admit that I am having a devil of a time with writing poetry and have had really bad writers block. I wrote a decent poem, but it wasn’t quite clicking. I ran it thru chat (improve this) and it made a few really solid suggestions! I am embarrassed to say I took a few suggestions…..

 

[yano2mch]

How do you get ChatGPT and the like to write an erotic story?

They normally refuse when i ask

Not sure, there's some methods to attempt but cloud/commercial LLM's i avoid for privacy reasons.

I prefer to use local LLM's that are uncensored or trained/merged with uncensor kits (and some that say they are censored shut up when you put them in SillyTavern). Dipping my toes into it you would be surprised how much RAM it uses and how big the downloads are, and how slow it is unless the hardware is halfway up to snuff, at least for models that have decent output (I'm still annoyed at huge game downloads but a little less after dealing with Stable Diffusion and LLM's).

And if everyone had to run LLM's locally it would be far less adopted/used and we'd have time to adjust to using the technology pros/cons and pitfalls while it advances would probably be far better.

why would we use a tool that diminishes our enjoyment and creates an inferior product? And that won't be accepted for publication here on Lit?

Not convinced it's an inferior product as models i like are on par with RPers from F-list. But writing is like cooking, and the output is only as good as the quality of the ingredients, the processed used to cook and the chef doing it.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Seriously, can we just site ban some of these terms so they can't even be typed here?

If you try more than once, you get a 24 hour time out.

 

[yano2mch]

I use it for work to help me write long, complex emails, instructions or complex communication and to analyze data. We have an in-house proprietary LLM we use but sometimes to analyze data, ChatGPT works better.

Analysis. I only had a 235B model that analyzed this one story correctly, most smaller models get most of the analysis right but leaves major points out.

GPT 3.5 is suppose to be 400B and 4.0 is going towards a 1T model. So it's not a surprise GPT may work better. But there's no way you are running it locally... (well.... i suppose you COULD..... either very very slowly or spending an ungodly amount on hardware)

I like the creative process. (I usually use voice to text when driving to and from work and then revise and check it manually.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Seriously, can we just site ban some of these terms so they can't even be typed here?

Sure you can ban them. Then new terms will be adopted, like 'not fully human', or using longform of "talk Gee Pee Tea" or some other oddities, much like you see on Youtube/Twitter where they used 'unalive' or 'minecrated' instead of kill or suicide. Add those terms and new terms will be used and adopted. You're just fighting with infinite obfuscation.

Besides, if it's limited to a couple specific threads, i don't see the problem.

Eventually you might do it to combinations of words, but then have undocumented combinations that ban or refuse to post perfectly normal messages with no way around it.

 

[MillieDynamite]

There are about six relatively good (that relatively good not ones that write well enough to publish), out there. Novel Factory and SudoWrite are the best. However, they do not produce anything that can be published, and no one sus-out that you used AI. And they aren't free or cheap to use.

How do you get ChatGPT and the like to write an erotic story?

They normally refuse when i ask

 

[rjhsteel]

There are about six relatively good (that relatively good not ones that write well enough to publish), out there. Novel Factory and SudoWrite are the best. However, they do not produce anything that can be published, and no one sus-out that you used AI. And they aren't free or cheap to use.

How about free ones?

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

There are about six relatively good (that relatively good not ones that write well enough to publish), out there. Novel Factory and SudoWrite are the best. However, they do not produce anything that can be published, and no one sus-out that you used AI. And they aren't free or cheap to use.

Yes, they take care of writing a good prompt for a 'story writing optimized LLM' that can make a very good rough draft. But not cheap? $10/month is quite cheap in my mind. YMMV

 

[MillieDynamite]

Well, honestly, pure shit.

How about free ones?

I don't know of one that costs $10 a month that's worth that price. But I also don't think either Novel Write or SudoWrite is worth whatever level you buy. They are credit-based, and each credit gives you less than one word. From what I understand, you spend 10,000 credits for one to two thousand words, depending on the AI model used. I write to make money. Now, if I spend money to write words, I'm not going to make much money. It's bad math to spend money on something that requires tons of editing to be useful.

Yes, they take care of writing a good prompt for a 'story writing optimized LLM' that can make a very good rough draft. But not cheap? $10/month is quite cheap in my mind. YMMV

 

[yano2mch]

Yes, they take care of writing a good prompt for a 'story writing optimized LLM' that can make a very good rough draft. But not cheap? $10/month is quite cheap in my mind. YMMV

I don't like subscription services. Some you're not renting content you're renting hardware. Saw some prices for using LLM models and it is a million tokens per 10 cents. yeah that's relatively cheap, and if you don't have any hardware to run it on, then sure it's not a bad deal, though you'll probably spend more of it processing tokens (added or whole-cloth?) than generating tokens. Might make sense if you are traveling and only using say a laptop.

But i kinda am in the mindset of buying something to own. So something like WoW doesn't make sense, you spend $60 for a game, and then in the subscription costs you re-buy the game every 3-4 months in costs of your subscription ($15/month). It doesn't make sense to me. Yes that's not THAT expensive but it adds up. Individual streaming services also aren't that expensive, or they weren't when Netflix started. But now it's untenable.

Also a lot of subscription services count on after a while you just forget to cancel, and they get to pull money for months or years with you not using it. I did that with a Gym membership, used it for like 3 months, and then for 9 months in a row never went, not that it wasn't close enough to even walk to, but i just didn't have the energy time or reason to go.

I'm against the 'you will own nothing' that's being pushed through endless subscription services.