White House says Canada 'caved' to Trump on tech tax

[MajorRewrite]

Yes, yes, that's why when UK, Netherlands, and Aussies need top tier healthcare they come to the US. Because their healthcare system is "superior" to ours.

Totally Fact Free HisArpy.

 

[jomar]

That would be me.

He’s right. The top gear stuff’s all in the USA.

If you have the cake.

Regular folk get shitty care in the USA.

People like you could never afford anything top shelf.

The USA has good stuff if you can afford it, true. But #1 in the world? Eh.

 

[nowisthetime]

Yes, yes, that's why when UK, Netherlands, and Aussies need top tier healthcare they come to the US. Because their healthcare system is "superior" to ours.

The data shows that yeah the U.S. spends far more per capita on healthcare, yet ranks worse in overall outcomes like life expectancy, infant mortality, and preventable disease (thanks to idiot MAGAs).

The UK, Netherlands, and Australia all have universal healthcare systems that deliver equal or better outcomes for cheaper costs. If anything, it's Americans who travel abroad for affordable care, not the other way around.

People in the UK, Netherlands, and Australia don’t come here for healthcare, they come here and hope and pray that they don’t need it.

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-medical-tourism-market

https://www.kff.org/health-policy-1...systems/?entry=table-of-contents-introduction

 

[asxymann68]

If Canada needs the USA why does the USA need Canada to get rid of DST, claiming it will hurt poor little USA companies that need protection from big bad Canada.

 

[HisArpy]

The data shows that yeah the U.S. spends far more per capita on healthcare, yet ranks worse in overall outcomes like life expectancy, infant mortality, and preventable disease (thanks to idiot MAGAs).

The UK, Netherlands, and Australia all have universal healthcare systems that deliver equal or better outcomes for cheaper costs. If anything, it's Americans who travel abroad for affordable care, not the other way around.

People in the UK, Netherlands, and Australia don’t come here for healthcare, they come here and hope and pray that they don’t need it.

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-medical-tourism-market

https://www.kff.org/health-policy-1...systems/?entry=table-of-contents-introduction

Yes, yes, we know that the rest of the world hates the US and that skews the data. US healthcare is THE BEST in the world, bar none. If it wasn't people wouldn't come HERE after their own healthcare system fails them.

Debunk that. If you can.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yes, yes, we know that the rest of the world hates the US and that skews the data. US healthcare is THE BEST in the world, bar none. If it wasn't people wouldn't come HERE after their own healthcare system fails them.

Debunk that. If you can.

And Americans are leaving America for healthcare. https://www.medicaltourismpackages....de-for-american-medical-tourists-in-colombia/

 

[Lance_Castro]

The USA has good stuff if you can afford it, true. But #1 in the world? Eh.

Sure, places like Cedars Sinai and the Mayo Clinic are amongst the very best in the world.

( Toronto General consistently ranks in the world’s top 10 as well)

That’s different than having the best health care system, of course.

But the world’s best in most specialities and medical research will generally be found in the US.

 

[waratah]

BEST healthcare in the world, bar none.
Largest economy in the world.
Largest exporter of food in the world.


With all that going for it, most citizens in the US have it easy. The result is a slightly higher obesity rate.

Covid has resulted in the mortality rates being skewed. Until those tables are adjusted for it, the numbers will seem to be dropping. The reality of actual life expectancy is very different.

Got any credible studies or data to support this?

Reason I ask is I haven't seen any yet. Life expectancy for a start is woeful in US.

 

[HisArpy]

Got any credible studies or data to support this?

Reason I ask is I haven't seen any yet. Life expectancy for a start is woeful in US.

Lol, do your own homework. No one here is going to spoonfeed you data which is easily retrievable on the interweebles.

 

[ishtat]

Yes, yes, we know that the rest of the world hates the US and that skews the data. US healthcare is THE BEST in the world, bar none.

No, it is not the best. I have lived for extended periods in USA UK Australia Germany and and Switzerland. Switzerland is the best of the group, Germany, Australia, and UK are different but roughly equal. USA is excellent for the top 60% of the population but unaffordable for poorer people. The US is almost criminally expensive; the UK is the cheapest but very good at emergency care, tho' saddled with an absurdly large bureaucracy.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Lol, do your own homework. No one here is going to spoonfeed you data which is easily retrievable on the interweebles.

Totally Fact Free Harpy is allergic to data. He’s all bluster, all of the time.

Now have a meltdown for us, Harpy. That’s always funny.

 

[Bray123]

Heard Island caved in straight away. All those caves that were sheltering the penguin eggs ready for export to Florida are no more.

 

[HisArpy]

No, it is not the best. I have lived for extended periods in USA UK Australia Germany and and Switzerland. Switzerland is the best of the group, Germany, Australia, and UK are different but roughly equal. USA is excellent for the top 60% of the population but unaffordable for poorer people. The US is almost criminally expensive; the UK is the cheapest but very good at emergency care, tho' saddled with an absurdly large bureaucracy.

The which nation has the best healthcare debate is like flight; the US was First in Flight at Kittyhawk NC. Other nations may have better run airports or ATC systems, but flight was first made here. (Yes I know there's some disagreement by France but it's BS.) By the same token, the US has the best healthcare in the world because it is the most innovative and accessible (not just available) to patients in need. And that innovation and accessibility is still ongoing without needing to resort to ever tightening and stringent regulation with the accompanying less effective process of delivering the care needed.

 

[waratah]

Lol, do your own homework. No one here is going to spoonfeed you data which is easily retrievable on the interweebles.

I looked, couldn't find anything remotely agreeing with you allegation. So, yeah, I think I'll accept the facts. You should probably do the same.

 

[RobDownSouth]

BEST healthcare in the world, bar none.
Largest economy in the world.
Largest exporter of food in the world.


With all that going for it, most citizens in the US have it easy. The result is a slightly higher obesity rate.

Covid has resulted in the mortality rates being skewed. Until those tables are adjusted for it, the numbers will seem to be dropping. The reality of actual life expectancy is very different.

"BEST healthcare in the world, bar none" you say?
You might wish to speak with that moron HisArpy who posts here quite often...

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I so look forward to the day I sit down in a wheelchair to never stand up again. Because my med insurance no longer covers what is needed to prevent it. So now I'm fucked. Thank you very much for playing.[/sarcasm]

p.s. When you do talk to him, tell him he has "Spinal Stenosis". The dumb son of a bitch doesn't even know what he's suffering from.
p.s.s. When you do talk to him, tell him to search on "Spinal Stenosis" here. Lots of good information on this site discussing spinal stenosis being a major cause of erectile dysfunction.
p.s.s.s. When you do talk to him, tell him a great many people on the Politics Board share his sentiments, we all look forward to the day he sits down in a wheelchair, never to to stand up again.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Carney is much smarter than his predecessor. He’s threading a needle between trying to achieve better relations with the US while demonstrating to his constituents that’s he’s not a wimp.

Canceling the digital tax and his response to Trump’s announcement yesterday of 35% rate (on goods not covered by the USMC) starting August 1st reflect Carney’s recognition that Canada’s economy is in the toilet. The country cannot afford to overplay its hand.

Canada's GDP shrank in April, with hefty decline in manufacturing​

Canada’s economy shrank by 0.1 per cent on a monthly basis in April, Statistics Canada said on Friday, with the data agency's advance estimate for May showing a similar decline in activity.
The manufacturing sector alone dipped 1.9 per cent — the steepest drop since April 2021, per Statistics Canada — driving a decline among goods-producing industries.

Transportation equipment manufacturing was hit hard, which the data agency attributed to uncertainty caused by the trade war in the auto industry as car manufacturers pulled back on production in response to U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff on vehicle exports.
Wholesale trade also fell in April, particularly in sub-sectors related to autos and motor vehicle parts, as exports and imports of those products dropped.

The data agency is expecting economic growth to contract by 0.1 per cent again in May, signalling slower growth in the second quarter of the year as tariffs weigh on Canada's economy.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-gdp-april-2025-1.7572428

 

[ll74]

Aren't trade wars fun?

Vietnam now can try and fail to sell American SUVs!

 

[MajorRewrite]

Canceling the digital tax and his response to Trump’s announcement yesterday of 35% rate (on goods not covered by the USMC) starting August 1st reflect Carney’s recognition that Canada’s economy is in the toilet. The country cannot afford to overplay its hand.

Wow. The very loyal sheep is off and running.

Nothing in the announcement of the new 35% tariff on Canada indicates that goods covered by the USMC are exempt. Trump hates that agreement he signed with Canada, and that’s why he unilaterally tore it up and started an unprovoked trade war.

Predictably, you are already rooting for economic trouble in Canada. But you conveniently didn’t mention that the US GDP also contacted last quarter. Such a loyal sheep.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Wow. The very loyal sheep is off and running.

Nothing in the announcement of the new 35% tariff on Canada indicates that goods covered by the USMC are exempt. Trump hates that agreement he signed with Canada, and that’s why he unilaterally tore it up and started an unprovoked trade war.

Predictably, you are already rooting for economic trouble in Canada. But you conveniently didn’t mention that the US GDP also contacted last quarter. Such a loyal sheep.

Not sure why you disagree with my comment about Carney but you are misinformed about the USMCA exemption.

From WSJ:

The U.S. will put a 35% tariff on imports from Canada effective Aug. 1, President Trump announced on Thursday evening.
But an exemption for goods that comply with the nations’ free-trade agreement, the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, would still apply, a White House official said, stressing that could change.
Trump previously applied 25% tariffs to non-USMCA goods and the new rate, announced in a letter to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and posted on social media, would mean that number rises to 35%, the official said. The U.S. and Canada had been involved in talks to lower tariffs ahead of a self-imposed July 21 deadline.

In a late Thursday post on the social-media platform X, Carney said Canadian officials would work with their U.S. counterpart in clinching a deal by Aug. 1.

 

[OralAllOver]

100% there is a side deal favoring Canada

Trump will screw America every time

 

[MajorRewrite]

Not sure why you disagree with my comment about Carney but you are misinformed about the USMCA exemption.

From WSJ:

The U.S. will put a 35% tariff on imports from Canada effective Aug. 1, President Trump announced on Thursday evening.
But an exemption for goods that comply with the nations’ free-trade agreement, the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, would still apply, a White House official said, stressing that could change.
Trump previously applied 25% tariffs to non-USMCA goods and the new rate, announced in a letter to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and posted on social media, would mean that number rises to 35%, the official said. The U.S. and Canada had been involved in talks to lower tariffs ahead of a self-imposed July 21 deadline.

In a late Thursday post on the social-media platform X, Carney said Canadian officials would work with their U.S. counterpart in clinching a deal by Aug. 1.

Or not …

Trump did not indicate whether a current tariff exclusion for USMCA-compliant goods would continue to apply post-August.

 

[HisArpy]

I looked, couldn't find anything remotely agreeing with you allegation. So, yeah, I think I'll accept the facts. You should probably do the same.

I do. Which is why I stand by my statements.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Or not …

 

[RobDownSouth]

Prediction: by this time next week, the purported US tariff will have been tabled, and K-K-Karoline Leavitt will be crowing once again about the current White House resident's soooperior negotiatin' skillz.

 

[MajorRewrite]

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Except maybe not because the Clown Show Administration hedges on everything …

A White House official told Yahoo Finance that the expectation is that the situation will not change for United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement-compliant goods (which are often exempt from tariffs entirely) as well as for energy products like oil and a fertilizer known as potash (these are key flashpoints that currently see 10% duties).

Yet the official stressed that no final deal has been drafted and Trump hasn’t made a final decision.

Nothing is certain because the petulant man-baby may throw another fit at any moment.