Using AI.

[yano2mch]

But when using AI, this is not the case. Two people independently feeding the same cloud-based AI the same simple scenario will very possibly get the same computer-generated output. Then the fight becomes: Who has the legal right to claim authorship?

Again the likelihood of getting the same seed is very low. I've also had it where i gave it the same seed and there's tiny variations in how the prompt was worded or ordered that vastly changes other parameters of how it presents it or decides to produce the output.

Let's back this up. I like rogue-like games. And there's a game called ADOM (Ancient Domains of Mystery). It has something called the infinite dungeon. But technically it's not infinite, it can only go ~2 billion levels deep due to.... 31bit limitations.

That sounds like a limit but it's not. Because, if you sped-through each level say 10 seconds per floor and rushed to the next floor, it would take you over a thousand years before you got near the limit, and it's safe to say no one would be able to do a single play-through that long or that dedicated to get that deep, thus it's considered an infinite dungeon.

So back to RNG. Even with 32bit (it's likely 64bit seeds are used too) it's very highly unlikely the same prompt would produce the same output unless you could explicitly specify the seed (well you can as part of the prompt but that's a technical detail no one would normally use). So unless you exhaustively go through all the seeds getting that exact instance of someone else's output is very slim, not to mention highly CPU intensive to generate per story, or just finding a duplicate in the sea of information would be a feat in itself.

As for two people having the same base idea, certainly, but unless you give sufficient detail it probably is too short to consider for copyright. Ideas/concepts generally aren't copyrightable, only instances of works.

 

[Lifestyle66]

As for two people having the same base idea, certainly, but unless you give sufficient detail it probably is too short to consider for copyright. Ideas/concepts generally aren't copyrightable, only instances of works.

You're using a lot of big numbers to try justifying allowing use of AI generated stories.

But your final comment there acknowledges that some simple prompts are more likely to return similar results.

This is Literotica, and you might be unaware of how sleazy and simple some "authors" are.

There was one author recently who had over one hundred stories posted. And we pointed out to the Admins the THIRD one we recognized as copied from another author's work, with just changes to punctuation to break up sentences so as to not be detected as plagiarized. But other than those punctuation changes the story was identical to the original. ALL of that author's stories were then taken down.

And that wasn't the first time authors have been caught plagiarizing others.

SO, ... if it's at all possible for two lazy authors to give the same small, simple prompt to generate the same story, then bicker over who "owns" it, trust that out of over 8 billion people on this planet, they are out there.

 

[Erozetta]

Again the likelihood of getting the same seed is very low. I've also had it where i gave it the same seed and there's tiny variations in how the prompt was worded or ordered that vastly changes other parameters of how it presents it or decides to produce the output.

Let's back this up. I like rogue-like games. And there's a game called ADOM (Ancient Domains of Mystery). It has something called the infinite dungeon. But technically it's not infinite, it can only go ~2 billion levels deep due to.... 31bit limitations.

That sounds like a limit but it's not. Because, if you sped-through each level say 10 seconds per floor and rushed to the next floor, it would take you over a thousand years before you got near the limit, and it's safe to say no one would be able to do a single play-through that long or that dedicated to get that deep, thus it's considered an infinite dungeon.

So back to RNG. Even with 32bit (it's likely 64bit seeds are used too) it's very highly unlikely the same prompt would produce the same output unless you could explicitly specify the seed (well you can as part of the prompt but that's a technical detail no one would normally use). So unless you exhaustively go through all the seeds getting that exact instance of someone else's output is very slim, not to mention highly CPU intensive to generate per story, or just finding a duplicate in the sea of information would be a feat in itself.

As for two people having the same base idea, certainly, but unless you give sufficient detail it probably is too short to consider for copyright. Ideas/concepts generally aren't copyrightable, only instances of works.

Just chiming in that I never thought I'd see someone mention ADOM here.

As far as the discussion... AI is against the policy here and you've just admitted an interest in using it in some capacity. If I were running the site, that would tag you for extra scrutiny when submitting a story.

 

[Rob_Royale]

This is Literotica, and you might be unaware of how sleazy and simple some "authors" are.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

 

[yano2mch]

You're using a lot of big numbers to try justifying allowing use of AI generated stories.

Only to the degree that the likelihood of actual duplicates is similar to getting hit by lightning. (well maybe more like winning the lottery). But this is looking at it from a technical view. RNG, LFSRs and other methods are fascinating at how a computer can generate nearly endless semi-random output.

But with AI it quickly becomes apparent you can't just say 'write a best selling book at 100,000 words' with a single prompt and get good output. So you have to likely do dozens or hundreds of prompts as well as edits. (Well unless you're totally lazy and just hit publish without looking at the results).

So an initial identical prompt likely branches very quickly.

This is Literotica, and you might be unaware of how sleazy and simple some "authors" are.

There was one author recently who had over one hundred stories posted. And we pointed out to the Admins the THIRD one we recognized as copied from another author's work

There's always going to be lazy people and sleazy people. Unfortunately

This is a problem of ethics and morals ingrained in children as they are raised. As well as how high their intelligence is capable of.

Just chiming in that I never thought I'd see someone mention ADOM here.

Heh back in 2005 when i was playing it (i was very poor, and it was free...), that phrase and quote just stood out. It was one of the few games/sources of fun i had at the time. But seemed appropriate when looking at numbers.

As far as the discussion... AI is against the policy here and you've just admitted an interest in using it in some capacity. If I were running the site, that would tag you for extra scrutiny when submitting a story.

If you'd want; I'd expect extra scrutiny, and take suggestions to improve it. I had no intention to keep my initial goal and experiment secret (otherwise i wouldn't be here asking questions). Yet i struggle a lot without feedback or interaction. And interaction/RP seems to be the best fit for me. Which leaves me with hardly ever completing (and probably never sharing) anything, or using a tool that is against the rules because it can easily be abused.

 

[TheRedLantern]

Yet i struggle a lot without feedback or interaction. And interaction/RP seems to be the best fit for me.

That's where I started, too. I couldn't write anything sexual unless someone I REALLY trusted was there to receive it. It took me about a year of putting together my characters and setting before I could get in their heads enough to write a sex scene with them without feeling a ton of shame and deleting it. One of the characters has been bouncing around my head for a decade and will finally get "into print" this month if all goes well.

I started off with flash fiction that was a quick intro -> sex scene -> end story just to force myself to do it. I shared it with a few RP partners and the feedback was consistent (love your writing, this is about a 2 out of 10 in terms of how far you took the sexiness relative to how intense our RPs get). I still feel like steamy sex scenes are the weakest part of my writing so I'm still not really all that far from where you are.

LFSRs

I had to look up what these are. Now I'm halfway through an IEEE paper about using them for pseudorandom number generators and my actual work is still not done.

 

[yano2mch]

That's where I started, too. I couldn't write anything sexual unless someone I REALLY trusted was there to receive it. It took me about a year of putting together my characters and setting before I could get in their heads enough to write a sex scene with them without feeling a ton of shame and deleting it. One of the characters has been bouncing around my head for a decade and will finally get "into print" this month if all goes well.

I started off with flash fiction that was a quick intro -> sex scene -> end story just to force myself to do it. I shared it with a few RP partners and the feedback was consistent (love your writing, this is about a 2 out of 10 in terms of how far you took the sexiness relative to how intense our RPs get). I still feel like steamy sex scenes are the weakest part of my writing so I'm still not really all that far from where you are.

I figure most of my stuff is decent enough. But there's only so many ways to describe the buildup and climax. And sometimes sex is the least important (yet most desired) part of the story, like porn.

But doing RP's, i want the sexual scene to last long enough to actually get off on it during the 1-2 hours it takes place. (Sounds like a lot, but 8 posts from each person, so 16 posts, maybe 40 paragraphs, each post 10-15 minutes apart...). As such plenty of filler is added, usually visual/audio/sensory details that don't progress it.

Often it feels more the scenario around it and what leads to the unique scenarios is as interesting as the short sex scene.

I had to look up what these are. Now I'm halfway through an IEEE paper about using them for pseudorandom number generators and my actual work is still not done.

Mhmm. LFSR is Linear Feedback Shift Register. Basically you rotate a binary sequence, and if the lowest (or highest) value is on, you xor/flip specific bits. Those bits will result in the entire sequence (minus 0) in that range of numbers to be output, they just aren't in a linear fashion. It's easy to program/debug and takes up very little space, and easily verifiable it runs the entire sequence length.

 

[txblush]

I may get tarred and feathered for this post, but I've spent decades writing erotic content without anyone's help. Then, in 2007, I joined Lit, believing I'd found a "community of writers" that I thought would help me work through the editing process because I sucked at grammar, and knew next to nothing about structuring a novel. What I found were writers who didn't take my desire to become a published author seriously, who thought self-publishing was the stepchild of the publishing world. I was ahead of my time because I already knew what I wrote didn't meet any publishers' guidelines. However, I wasn't willing to curb my enthusiasm for writing stories about sadistic dominants and baby girls (newbies with more knowledge than experience about bondage, spanking, and fetishes that would make readers blush). I should know because the scenes I wrote led to my feeling ashamed of myself for enjoying every second of writing those scenes that came from my vivid imagination about BDSM with characters that wouldn't shut up, until I wrote their stories. But even back then, I knew I didn't know how to take those stories to the next level, for one simple reason. I read books on the topic that weren't available until the World Wide Web became available because I took an author's advice from a how-to book about writing what you know, and if you don't know something, research it. There are some things a book from the library doesn't cover, but experience does, and I can honestly say that without the help of an AI, I wouldn't have found the crux of my novel's true meaning. Healing from trauma and what it takes to follow one's dreams without anyone's support.

 

[yano2mch]

I may get tarred and feathered for this post, but I've spent decades writing erotic content without anyone's help. Then, in 2007, I joined Lit, believing I'd found a "community of writers" that I thought would help me work through the editing process because I sucked at grammar, and knew next to nothing about structuring a novel. What I found were writers who didn't take my desire to become a published author seriously, who thought self-publishing was the stepchild of the publishing world. <snip>

I wasn't willing to curb my enthusiasm for writing stories about sadistic dominants and baby girls (newbies with more knowledge than experience about bondage, spanking, and fetishes that would make readers blush). I should know because the scenes I wrote led to my feeling ashamed of myself for enjoying every second of writing those scenes that came from my vivid imagination about BDSM with characters that wouldn't shut up, until I wrote their stories. <snip>

and I can honestly say that without the help of an AI, I wouldn't have found the crux of my novel's true meaning. Healing from trauma and what it takes to follow one's dreams without anyone's support.

Mhmm... What trauma were you recovering from, if you're willing to share?

I've enjoyed a few authors works where they specify it was both erotica, and therapy to get over being raped, by writing rape/noncon stories. So that's totally understandable since you are diving into exciting, or uncomfortable waters in order to relive or handle emotions you aren't used to.

Personally I'm autistic, and grew up with bible-thumping parents so online chat, stories and erotica were my only real escape. Then when i left, it's took me 10 years to mentally break down and figure out why i left in the first place; Dissecting things one piece at a time and feeling it's an open wound. And it's taken even longer to get to a point i can actually look people in the eye and talk to them overcoming extreme shyness, so the more obvious signs of my autism have mostly faded.

I wrote fan-fiction of stuff when i was 13 or so, but knowing it sucked i wouldn't try to publish much of it. And what i did, i was stuck on, unable to resume, think i published 3 things of which i'm not happy with today but won't remove. I figure being autistic merely means my skills went into math programming and problem solving, and not being artistically creative. So an AI is really nice since it's 'you enter a room and it has X Y and Z in it' and i don't have to draw a huge blank and fight with what is possible or reasonable every step of the way; instead I know (or lead) where the next general scene leads to but not every in-between to get there.

And roleplaying is sorta like problem solving (on top of figuring out how to interact with people), when selecting kinks and a basic story/outline, and then it comes to life and i can actually write, but only for in story/game time for about 3-5 minutes at a time, and then i get stuck again. Which can be far worse when my RP partner decides to drop me and block me.

 

[txblush]

Mhmm... What trauma were you recovering from, if you're willing to share?

I've enjoyed a few authors works where they specify it was both erotica, and therapy to get over being raped, by writing rape/noncon stories. So that's totally understandable since you are diving into exciting, or uncomfortable waters in order to relive or handle emotions you aren't used to.

Personally I'm autistic, and grew up with bible-thumping parents so online chat, stories and erotica were my only real escape. Then when i left, it's took me 10 years to mentally break down and figure out why i left in the first place; Dissecting things one piece at a time and feeling it's an open wound. And it's taken even longer to get to a point i can actually look people in the eye and talk to them overcoming extreme shyness, so the more obvious signs of my autism have mostly faded.

I wrote fan-fiction of stuff when i was 13 or so, but knowing it sucked i wouldn't try to publish much of it. And what i did, i was stuck on, unable to resume, think i published 3 things of which i'm not happy with today but won't remove. I figure being autistic merely means my skills went into math programming and problem solving, and not being artistically creative. So an AI is really nice since it's 'you enter a room and it has X Y and Z in it' and i don't have to draw a huge blank and fight with what is possible or reasonable every step of the way; instead I know (or lead) where the next general scene leads to but not every in-between to get there.

And roleplaying is sorta like problem solving (on top of figuring out how to interact with people), when selecting kinks and a basic story/outline, and then it comes to life and i can actually write, but only for in story/game time for about 3-5 minutes at a time, and then i get stuck again. Which can be far worse when my RP partner decides to drop me and block me.

Physical, sexual, mental, and emotional abuse when I was a kid, teen, and young adult. I was recently tested for autism. I'm on the spectrum, so you can imagine how that also played into the trauma and the need to have some control over what happened to me was through writing.

 

[yano2mch]

Physical, sexual, mental, and emotional abuse when I was a kid, teen, and young adult. I was recently tested for autism. I'm on the spectrum, so you can imagine how that also played into the trauma and the need to have some control over what happened to me was through writing.

Mhmm. From the writing it sounded like you were beaten, on top of probably molested or raped.

It's strange, that the things we are subjected to when we are young, ends up becoming things we like, perhaps we see as 'normal' or a way of kinship. While in some cultures it becomes a never ending cycle of the abused becoming abusers.

I also heard the phrase that you grow up for the first 20 years, then the next 20 years you disassemble and understand what you did in your first 20 years to get over the trauma and experiences. For those of us on the spectrum, you never quite grow fully up, and you never quite get over your traumas. But at the least you can get them not to control you.

 

[txblush]

Mhmm. From the writing it sounded like you were beaten, on top of probably molested or raped.

It's strange, that the things we are subjected to when we are young, ends up becoming things we like, perhaps we see as 'normal' or a way of kinship. While in some cultures it becomes a never ending cycle of the abused becoming abusers.

I also heard the phrase that you grow up for the first 20 years, then the next 20 years you disassemble and understand what you did in your first 20 years to get over the trauma and experiences. For those of us on the spectrum, you never quite grow fully up, and you never quite get over your traumas. But at the least you can get them not to control you.

From your post, I have to ask. Did you read the story I posted? If so, thanks.

I wouldn't say I liked getting undeserved spankings when I was a kid. I will say that the first spanking I received as an adult was cathartic. I'll even go so far as to say that primal sex isn't just from the animal kingdom; Sex between two consenting adults isn't pretty. It's primal.

 

[sxPlasticity]

Use of AI depends on how you use it. Those who dont understand it won't be able to use it, and yet they will be dominated by their misunderstanding of it because it will be as a constant threat they try to avoid. Yet, since their understanding of it is void, they will only be fighting with themselves.

We wont be able to work around AI. AI is too enmeshed in our society, and it has been for years. Any google search - probably over the past few years - has been going directly to Gemini. I dont use Facebook or etc, but they are unquestionably the same for at least a decade. It's showing up everywhere, including even in camera stabilization (like GoPros), code writing and more.

To make matters worse, if you are against AI, the chatbots are all modeled differently - with perhaps an exception of larger language models. Models so big and deep they are a threat to our very known existence (due to a potential arms race).

As for all of us caught in the crosswinds - there's still a lot of hatred on the net, strife in the world and so on. Give it a few years, and tomorrow's person will look nothing like today's. That's just the fate of how we are taking shape by necessity in trying to govern ourselves. We are all inevitably influenced by it, and so it will continue to be a reality.

I remember my boss was once on the phone with an AI voice assistant. The thing gave him a response he didn't like, and he told it in an angry tone - "That's not very nice." That's when I realized - he was the type of guy who would argue with a traffic light.

 

[sxPlasticity]

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/slamming-ai-with-kinkery.1636940/#post-101239645

 

[yano2mch]

From your post, I have to ask. Did you read the story I posted? If so, thanks.

No, i thought it was part of a signature. I'll read it now.

edit: K, read through it. About what i expected. And i hope you can get over your traumas.

 

[txblush]

No, i thought it was part of a signature. I'll read it now.

edit: K, read through it. About what i expected. And i hope you can get over your traumas.

It's a work-in-progress, just like everything else in life.

 

[txblush]

Ever try using AI to write a story?

Yes, I used an AI to outline a story I'd already written because I wanted to learn how to do that. (There's a reason behind wanting to know how to do it, and it was because of a volunteer editor here at Lit.) I didn't know how to write an outline then, or when I first started writing 4-plus decades ago. I still don't know the intricacies of how to complete an outline, but I'm learning with the help of an AI by feeding it my work.
Every writing tool I've used (Grammarly, ProWritingAid, Scrivener, and Sudowrite) has helped me discover the hidden beauty of a few story ideas I spent years developing, one scene at a time, without another person's emotional support. Through those years of writing and reading compelling novels from authors like Sydney Sheldon, John D. MacDonald, and F. Scott Fitzgerald, to name a few off the top of my head. I learned things I didn't know, like how they came up with the idea for their stories…. Life experiences, talent, and a host of other people behind the scenes.
I found out 4-plus decades ago I had the talent to write an erotic scene. It was about a couple and a pearl necklace that gave a reader hot flashes. Afterward, I wanted to learn everything I could about the craft of writing. I own a small library of hardback books on how to write a story, which is an art of self-expression. It's also subjective, and not everyone who uses a tool to turn their talent into knowledge is going to agree on the benefits of learning how to create art in its many forms.
I came to Lit to find out if there was an audience of readers for my work back in 2007. I did it as a test because I didn't know if there were other writers like me with twisted tales that came from my vivid imagination who had a passion for writing erotic content. Turns out there are readers who enjoyed the short story I posted three years ago. I asked Laurel to take down the novel I wrote because I wanted to take my work to the next level and learn what I didn't know about storytelling.
Not every writer or reader is going to like what I write, which is okay with me because art, like sex, is personal and subjective.
The irony is that what a person doesn't know, but wants to know, doesn't mean anything until they apply their knowledge to pay it forward in an art form that's acceptable by another person's standards. I commend Laurel for creating a website that allowed me to understand what I didn't know about writing erotic content. I've worked with volunteer editors here, and I appreciated what they taught me about grammar.
But writing a passionate love story was never a hobby for me. It was a dream. And anyone who has ever published a novel has had help along the way to fulfill their passion for writing a compelling story that came from a kernel of an idea, just like the men and women who created the Internet, Google, AI, etc. And then worried it would take something away from society. Turns out they were right to be concerned because society has been fractured for centuries, and there are a lot of writers like me who have stories they're passionate about. All they really want is the knowledge of how to get those stories out of their heads and onto a page of a book.
And if by chance that book gives another person an escape from the real world and teaches them something they never knew before. Shouldn't that be considered a good thing? Or is it too much to ask for compassion, acceptance, and tolerance for what is so often misunderstood when reading another person's written work? Including the posts made on a bulletin board without knowledge of the other person's life experiences that shaped their opinions about what it takes to create art…. Knowledge, research, reading, and writing until there's nothing left but words on a page that might make someone else think, feel, and react in unpredictable ways. That's the beauty of art, and there will always be detractors, fractions of society that can't see through the eyes of the artist but will have an opinion they can't help but let the artist know. Good or bad. It doesn't matter. What's important to me is, I did the work, learned from my mistakes, and will continue to increase my bandwidth of knowledge with the help of an AI until a real person comes along and says, "How can I help you learn what you don't know about the craft of writing a story that features bondage, discipline, dominance, submission in a safe space?"
Believe me, if that happens, I'll be thrilled because I have had positive experiences of teaming up with a writers here and miss the camaraderie of bouncing off another person's idea and creating a piece of work that satisfied our needs for self-expression in a realm that neither one of us could share with our significant other. After all, they didn't understand what compelled us to think and feel the way we did about writing erotic content. All they knew was it was a hobby because they were looking outside at their partner hunched over a keyboard, not the inside of our minds, which is the only place that is truly private, and communication once again is subject to another's perspective and interpretation, shaped by their life's experiences and the knowledge they gained from living within the structure of humanity that for better or worse won't ever see eye to eye on what it takes to create art. Those that do? They are the lucky ones because someone else saw their potential and, for whatever reason, wanted to help them learn what they didn't know. That, in a nutshell, is why I stopped by Lit after being away for three years. I wanted to learn about the next step in my journey of becoming a published author. It's been a dream since I put pen to paper, and I'm passionate about what I write with the hope it will inspire others like me who discovered a hidden talent after reading so many books written with other people's help.
Crafting a novel is a solitary endeavor, and any writer who doesn't know it yet will find out that writing erotic content is harder than it seems because there's a critic on one's shoulder who is an artist's worst enemy. But it's the reader who makes it worthwhile. The praise I received from the novel I posted on Lit back in 2007-2008 encouraged me to continue my work, that's been enlightening and oftentimes painful because I'm a romantic at heart. A dreamer. An artist. I've learned to take another person's opinion with a grain of salt, and my decision to write this post comes from the knowledge I've gained from my life's experience that wasn't always pretty.

 

[alohadave]

Dude, paragraphs.

 

[Voboy]

Dude, paragraphs.

He's got paragraphs; he just didn't skip lines, and didn't indent. The AI must have missed that.

 

[onehitwanda]

He's got paragraphs; he just didn't skip lines, and didn't indent. The AI must have missed that.

I made this for work, but it seems appropriate here.

 

[Bramblethorn]

What's important to me is, I did the work, learned from my mistakes, and will continue to increase my bandwidth of knowledge with the help of an AI until a real person comes along and says, "How can I help you learn what you don't know about the craft of writing a story that features bondage, discipline, dominance, submission in a safe space?"

There are plenty of authors here who'd be happy to talk about that topic, from various angles. The difficulty is usually getting us to shut up about it.

Asking AI to help with it is...kind of like offering $50 on Fiverr to whoever will help, and getting responses from somebody whose objective is not to help you learn or to give good advice, but to be convincing enough to get you to hand over the money.

Believe me, if that happens, I'll be thrilled because I have had positive experiences of teaming up with a writers here and miss the camaraderie of bouncing off another person's idea and creating a piece of work that satisfied our needs for self-expression in a realm that neither one of us could share with our significant other.

This is something I've heard from others, that they use AI because of the difficulties in finding a human willing to give feedback on their work. I understand the frustration; while there are plenty of people here willing to discuss the kinds of challenges you might face and give big-picture advice, finding somebody who's wiling to go through it line by line is tough.

But AI isn't much of a substitute, and leaning heavily on it is likely to hold you back. It will give you bad advice sooner than admit that it doesn't know what advice it will give, it will pull your tone towards some bland average, and it will make it harder to find human collaborators.

As somebody who edits professionally (non-fiction, but never mind that), I balk at editing AI-written material. My job, roughly speaking, is to add power to the author's arm: if I run across a passage that doesn't make sense or feels somehow off, I try to understand what the author wanted to achieve with that passage and offer ways that they could achieve that thing.

But with a large language model, the only "intent" is "write a statistically plausible sequence of words within the constraints given". That's not something I can work with, at least not without developing a whole new skillset and charging significantly more for my work.

And it's not just that it makes the job harder; it also makes it less fun. Even when I'm getting paid, part of the appeal of the job is that collaboration with other humans. Collaborating with an AI, or somebody who's outsourcing large chunks of their work to an AI, robs it of that.

After all, they didn't understand what compelled us to think and feel the way we did about writing erotic content. All they knew was it was a hobby because they were looking outside at their partner hunched over a keyboard, not the inside of our minds, which is the only place that is truly private, and communication once again is subject to another's perspective and interpretation, shaped by their life's experiences and the knowledge they gained from living within the structure of humanity that for better or worse won't ever see eye to eye on what it takes to create art.

However little your partner might understand what you write or why, it's still a world ahead of what a LLM understands.

 

[filthytrancendence]

Including the posts made on a bulletin board without knowledge of the other person's life experiences that shaped their opinions about what it takes to create art…. Knowledge, research, reading, and writing until there's nothing left but words on a page that might make someone else think, feel, and react in unpredictable ways. That's the beauty of art, and there will always be detractors, fractions of society that can't see through the eyes of the artist but will have an opinion they can't help but let the artist know.

I think the beauty of art has many facets. And I don't think all of them require a lot of technical skill to be compelling.

There's an undercurrent of aggrievement to this whole post that I've learned to be weary of. I expect that's the nature of a lot of the push-back you're getting. It seems like you expect people to know things they can't know before forming an opinion on your work. That's a type of solipsism that makes it difficult to be part of a community, I think.

This is probably uncomfortable to hear, but if you want people to understand your life experiences that go into creating your art, you need to put enough of those experiences into the art for them to understand. And if you don't want to participate in that level of vulnerability, then you're the only one to blame when people don't understand. And I'm sorry to say, that's just not something an AI can help you with.

Ultimately, it's the job of the artist to make people see through their eyes. That's not a haphazard process. The reactions are unpredictable because people are different and react differently. Detractors are part of that. Always have been. Always will be.

Art creation is not technical skill. Technical skill can be brought to bear in the creation of art, but it requires more than that. Vulnerability. Self-knowledge. A willingness to be criticized. These are the things AI does not have the capacity to do, or even help with. Because those are human concerns.

I'm afraid you're being a little too precious with your work. You took a novel down here because you're going to the next level? That's a non-sequitur. It speaks to a fear of vulnerability, not an ambition. If you really want to achieve the skill to put art you're proud of into the world, you've got to put your art into the world. Even when it's bad. Even when it's not as good as you want it to be. You've got to share it and let people have opinions on it and listen to those opinions and learn what you can from them and take that knowledge and go back to the page and do it again. And again.

You don't have to do that, of course. But that's the path of the artist. Take it or leave it. Clamming up and retreating into yourself because detractors don't understand is the path to solipsism. It sounds like that's the path you're on.

I could be wrong, but that's the impression I had after reading the post. And yes. Please, give us another line break after each paragraph. The brain likes that a lot better than a wall of text.

 

[txblush]

Sorry about the wall of text. My internet was spotty today. And all I really wanted was to let people know that I'm willing to learn what I don't know about the craft of writing from someone who knows more than I do. The fact that it happened to be an AI didn't curb my enthusiasm or my passion for writing. It taught me things I didn't know, like outlining. It really bothered me that I couldn't do one or learn it on my own.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I've been catching up on this thread, and now my brain is screaming to get away from the discussion of AI!

 

[jean_lucbr]

I’ve had a story rejected because they were wrongly flagged for using AI. I don’t use AI to write my stories, I just ran them through Grammarly to fix the grammar. I really don’t see what’s wrong with that. I’m not going to intentionally leave mistakes in my text just so an AI detector doesn’t get suspicious because it’s too clean.