How do you deal with this?

[ChloeTzang]

I would submit that "Rome" had a little to do with their own collapse…

Oh yeah, all sorts of contributing factors that interacted. It's fascinating to study, and also to see how remnants of the Western Roman Empire hung on - the entire Aurthurian legend is nothing more nor less than a struggle by the old Roman-British allied with the Celtic tribes against the Anglo-Saxon invasion. And then you have the invading tribes who wanted nothing more than to become Roman - adopting a veneer but notthing more....i went on for centuries, a fall in slow motion into the Dark Ages - meanwhile the old Roman elite was fighting between themselves and in the end all that was left of Rome was Byzantium.....which hung on until 1453.....

 

[Lazaran]

Oh yeah, all sorts of contributing factors that interacted. It's fascinating to study, and also to see how remnants of the Western Roman Empire hung on - the entire Aurthurian legend is nothing more nor less than a struggle by the old Roman-British allied with the Celtic tribes against the Anglo-Saxon invasion. And then you have the invading tribes who wanted nothing more than to become Roman - adopting a veneer but notthing more....i went on for centuries, a fall in slow motion into the Dark Ages - meanwhile the old Roman elite was fighting between themselves and in the end all that was left of Rome was Byzantium.....which hung on until 1453.....

I would submit that gross social inequality, individuals’ rights, wealth disparity, gross exploitation of satellite territories’ resources (human & natural), lavish excess among the top “1%” (or less), increasing authoritarianism, etc, etc, we’re KEY factors…

Sound familiar???







We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Chernosoth]

The Roman Empire fell for the same reasons that empires always fall, on a consistent schedule of approximately three centuries. It grew until it met forces it couldn't conquer, used up its own resources, outsourced the hard physical jobs to immigrants, and cannibalized itself to enrich a shrinking pool of wealthy aristocrats. Outsourcing the soldiering work was a big step down in the decline. Byzantium lasted so long because it was not an empire.

 

[dmallord]

Agreed.

Trump is willing but he's going to have to get a lot more ruthless than he seems to be willing to do right now.

I think the solution is to eliminate the immigration courts and deny immigration jurisdiction to the District courts entirely. At that point, if you're here illegally, you can be picked up and deported without further notice or legal recourse.

How far the mighty preacher for justice has just fallen. Did you write this after having a stroke?

Coming from someone who claims to be a lawyer, this is stunning—and frankly disqualifying.

You’re suggesting that due process—the core of American law—should be scrapped so the executive can act with unchecked power to detain and deport human beings with no hearing, no judge, no recourse? You want to abolish immigration courts and strip district courts of jurisdiction, all because Trump "needs to be more ruthless"?

That’s not policy—it’s authoritarianism.

You're not talking about enforcing immigration law. You're talking about eliminating the legal system that ensures it’s applied fairly. And the fact that a self-proclaimed attorney would argue for the total suspension of judicial review shows how far off the rails this has gone.

Trump isn’t “too soft.” The system is designed to prevent exactly the kind of reckless, vengeful governance you're cheering for. It’s called checks and balances. Look it up—should be in your bar prep materials.

 

[Rightguide]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942303344569246052

Mass shooting in Philly. It's the same bunch of out of control people:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942161231927759315

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942303344569246052

Mass shooting in Philly. It's the same bunch of out of control people:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942161231927759315

Conflation much?

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

My personal view is they've gone feral, there's no way to fix it, they're the barbarians crossing the Rhine, and the only way to reserve whatever is left of Western Civilization is (1) - preferable - deportations to country or contient of rigin or (b) lesspreferable but probably inevitable - a ruthless culling.

If we don't, well, they are the barbarians inside the gate, and they will overwhelm and collapse civilization, little by little. Rome didn't fall ina day. It was death by a thousand cuts over two or three hundred years, and this is the same. It won't happen in our lifetimes, it will take longer, but no western leader is determined enough to cut out the rot from within. Yet.

You’re right of course, but you do realize it’s by design?

 

[ChloeTzang]

You’re right of course, but you do realize it’s by design?

Oh, absolutely. And the designers and enabkers need to be culled as well. There's no other solution that will work. Leave them and they just coome back again.

This is the same mkistake Trump is making this time - his mass deportations are addressing the sympton, but not the root cause, which is the enablers within. Inevitably the politiccal tide ithin the USA will turn - Trump is making all sorts of mistakes that will turn voters against him in 2026, the Epstein Files fuck up amongst them, tariffs and the job lossses that will come, economic downturn, Bondi and Patel failing to do anything about the criminality, etc etc etc. The end result is, after the 2026 mid-terms, he'll be a lame duck President, he'll rant and rage and bluster, and once more nothing concrete will have been achieved and the Republicans will have destroyed their greatest opportunity to make substansive and impactful reforms.

Trump's failure makes the disimtegration of the USA and it's long term decline and fragmentation inevitable. I'm a pessimist on this one. We can look back at Rome and see all the same things happening.....history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.....

 

[Rebel5soul]

You're suggesting beating children with bats?

700 local juveniles can get the job done.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There’s a long history of white people objecting to swimming in the same pool as brown people.

If you’re going to post “news” about something, don’t start with “mY uNcLe SaYs”.

Vetteman used to regale us with stories of his motel-owning uncle pouring hydrochloric acid into swimming pools at his motel in the 1960s if a Negro entered the water.

 

[ll74]

700 local juveniles can get the job done.

You're suggesting beating. children with bats?

 

[Chernosoth]

We have to do something about broodmare mothers and stop incentivizing unaccountable childbearing. Reinstate family caps. Tie benefits to co-parenting or work participation. Target the culture, not just the income. Teach them that having a child isn’t a business decision, it’s a moral responsibility; otherwise, it's gangs, drugs, juvenile crime, and eventually prison, where the state continues to "care" for them.

Without those big families, the low birthrate would be lower. It will be lower for other reasons. Birthing many kids was an ordinary part of farm life and could be again.

 

[Rebel5soul]

You're suggesting beating. children with bats?

Just kids having fun.

 

[ll74]

Just kids having fun.

Answer the fucking question - are you suggesting beating children with bats?

 

[Rebel5soul]

I'

Answer the fucking question - are you suggesting beating children with bats?

I'm suggesting that if a group of minors show up and beat the shit out of another group of minors that the courts won't do shit and the minors on the short end of the stick may not be coming back for more.

And the reason that the little bastards get away with that shit is the leniency of the courts, one of the main reasons that gangs, cartels, etc. recruit minors to do the dirty work. They pay virtually no penalty.

What is needed is a serious rework of the juvenile penal codes.

 

[ll74]

I'

I'm suggesting that if a group of minors show up and beat the shit out of another group of minors that the courts won't do shit and the minors on the short end of the stick may not be coming back for more.

And the reason that the little bastards get away with that shit is the leniency of the courts, one of the main reasons that gangs, cartels, etc. recruit minors to do the dirty work. They pay virtually no penalty.

What is needed is a serious rework of the juvenile penal codes.

Ok, so when you said bats, you weren't suggesting beating children


Thanks for confirming

 

[Rebel5soul]

Ok, so when you said bats, you weren't suggesting beating children


Thanks for conforming

I wasn't suggesting any adult wield the bat.

 

[ll74]

I wasn't suggesting any adult wield the bat.

That wasn't clear.

700 locals with baseball bats...............problem solved.

 

[Rebel5soul]

That wasn't clear.

I know how the system works even if you don't.

Those were NOT children in the OP. They are at best adolescents behaving like animals. They are the ones that if not civilized now will fill our prisons later.

 

[ll74]

I know how the system works even if you don't.

Bats?

Those were NOT children in the OP. They are at best adolescents behaving like animals. They are the ones that if not civilized now will fill our prisons later.

Good that you aren't generalizing about a large group of people without complete information

For the children

 

[ChloeTzang]

In the end, it's just one more symptom. We are about to experience the death throes of the American Empire one way or another. This is just another symptom.

I thought Trump might stave of the collapse, but in actuality, he's merely preciptating it.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Bats?


Good that you aren't generalizing about a large group of people without complete information

For the children

Whatever.

 

[Rebel5soul]

In the end, it's just one more symptom. We are about to experience the death throes of the American Empire one way or another. This is just another symptom.

I thought Trump might stave of the collapse, but in actuality, he's merely preciptating it.

Trump is bringing it to a head for certain.

The more of this sort of behavior, and those that want to engage in wanton violence, the faster and harsher the reaction is going to be.

 

[ll74]

Whatever.

Go yell at those kids to get off your lawn!!

 

[Lazaran]

I'

I'm suggesting that if a group of minors show up and beat the shit out of another group of minors that the courts won't do shit and the minors on the short end of the stick may not be coming back for more.

And the reason that the little bastards get away with that shit is the leniency of the courts, one of the main reasons that gangs, cartels, etc. recruit minors to do the dirty work. They pay virtually no penalty.

What is needed is a serious rework of the juvenile penal codes.

The small government guy wants to blow up government spending on the arrest, prosecution & incarceration of untold numbers of the violent youths that have ALWAYS been present in America.

Time to expand MOAR law enforcement agencies and build MOAR internment camps that will require MOAR staffing at yuuuuge costs…

Oh wait…that’s right…it will all be privatized, and people will work at those jobs for a pittance, and the facilities will be built and maintained for a pittance…



How much did the ICE raids, NG, Marines, etc, in LA cost taxpayers???



How much is the recently announced ICE expansion, etc, in The One Butt Ugly Bill going to cost taxpayers???



I wonder if all that money would have been better spent if it had been steered towards improving the lives of at risk youths, etc???



We. Told. Them. So.