The world is a safer place because Israel takes action and is willing to pay the price that no one else would.

[HisArpy]

Israel has attacked hospital, it’s a fact and a war crime. You don’t need to be a Hamas supporter, it’s fact. Unfortunately, if you don’t accept the Israeli narrative you are a Hamas supporter or antisemitic. It’s language to justify their actions.

^this is flat out false.

 

[RobDownSouth]

^this is flat out false.

https://imgur.com/xHloeAh

Oh shut up, Derpy.
Always dismissing things that don't fit your narrative out of hand as somehow "flat out false".

There's a reason people laugh at you.

 

[Politruk]

He just ended a conference with the heads of the five central Asian countries and held a talk with Putin. There seems no anything unusual.

I learnt from social media that two warships of China's PLA navy are now in Persian Gulf, which are rumored to give more accurate Beidou-based directions to the missiles fired from Iran when GPS is closed. So it may take some time for the collapse of Iran to happen.

Another news is that as many as 5000 warm-hearted netizens of China thronged to the comment section of Iranina Embassy social account to offer their insights on how to crush Israel, which looks more powerful and effective than the advices of experts of most countries in the world.

If you happen to know the story of an IT engineer of Huawei in Africa, you will be convinced that most of Chinese ordinary people are no less than military experts, because they grow up with military books or books that promote war strategiesthe, such as Sun Tzu's Art of War（孙子兵法），Thirty-Six Stratagems（三十六计），Romance of the Three Kingdoms（三国演义），The Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Dynasty（东周列国志），Water Margin（水浒传） .

We sincerely hope that Israel, a very small country, could learn a valuable lesson from this conflict. And we also advise our American friends not to get involved in this trouble because the juice isn't worth the squeez (this idiom might be misused, thank you if you can help correcting it) or the gain doesn't cover the loss.

By the way, June 21st is a good day for eating lychee and dog meat, you are welcome to visit South China to enjoy.

So what will China do now? How far will the PRC go to back up Iran?

 

[86all]

^this is flat out false.

you are a fool trying t talk truth and fact

 

[Politruk]

^this is flat out false.

It is not false that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza.

 

[HisArpy]

It is not false that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza.

The "war crime" that is being told about Israel is that they attacked a hospital. They did not.

Hamas shot a rocket that hit their own hospital. Then they tried to blame Israel for it while inflating the number of casualties to 700 killed when the reality is that <20 were INJURED and no deaths resulted.

And you and the other stinkbrain believe Hamas. You also conveniently leave out that Hamas had command and control centers underneath and inside said hospital. Which Israel discovered after sending in TROOPS instead of missiles.

So, what you're saying is false. That you KNOW it's false makes it a lie and you, a liar.

 

[silky52]

Calm. Their intention is to upset you so you post something against the rules and get banned.

Calm.

They are just stupid trolls! I'm always calm, have no fear. I obey all the rules!

 

[Politruk]

The "war crime" that is being told about Israel is that they attacked a hospital. They did not.

Hamas shot a rocket that hit their own hospital. Then they tried to blame Israel for it while inflating the number of casualties to 700 killed when the reality is that <20 were INJURED and no deaths resulted.

And you and the other stinkbrain believe Hamas. You also conveniently leave out that Hamas had command and control centers underneath and inside said hospital. Which Israel discovered after sending in TROOPS instead of missiles.

So, what you're saying is false. That you KNOW it's false makes it a lie and you, a liar.

The Israelis have shelled a lot of hospitals in the strip. There are hardly any left in operation, now. And the IDF did all that, not Hamas, and not because the hospitals were "command and control centers."

You really need to watch Democracy Now! Daily. You can find it on YouTube every weekday.

 

[Politruk]

Sir, they originated from different Arab Muslim countries, please, please get your facts right. Look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians. AND I AM NOT A LIAR!!!

That article you linked says the Pals have been in Canaan for least 3700 years according to genetic studies. They are closely related to the Jews. They are descended from ancient Israelites and Canaanites.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That article you linked says the Pals have been in Canaan for least 3700 years according to genetic studies. They are closely related to the Jews.

Compare what the Palatines did with Palestine during that time with what the Israelis have done with Israel since 1948.

 

[Politruk]

Compare what the Palatines did with Palestine during that time with what the Israelis have done with Israel since 1948.

That's colonialist talk.

 

[dmallord]

With each passing hour, more and more evidence points towards this atrocity committed by the United States was done solely for "good optics" and to push Trump's disasterous economic policies off the front page.
https://i.imgur.com/dujNWOl.png

Also worth noting that Trump put on his trademark blue suit and red tie before getting briefed in the White House situation room. To dispel ANY doubt exactly WHO he was doing this for, he wore his silly red campaign hat "I'm doing this for you, my MAGA faithful!'

History lesson:
https://i.imgur.com/O6MI8wp.png

All four of the wore blue suits. They couldn't find a red tie for Vance, so he wore a blue tie. The token nod that the opposition was belatedly informed.

 

[gxnn]

So what will China do now? How far will the PRC go to back up Iran?

The latest gossip on Chinese soical media is that China is not the chess game player, it is just a watcher. Whoever wins or loses, it has not so much to do with it. All the goods you need to carry out the war or sustain other purposes are made in China. China is now like the US in the early period of WWII, who can get its hands greasy by both sides.

I feel ashamed about that, a decent man or a just country should not do such evil things, but later on today I feel a little relieved after seeing the interview of Tammy Bruce of the State Department of your country with Israeli media, telling that America is the greatest country in the world, next to Israel. Is she a double spy?

 

[JohnEngelman]

That's colonialist talk.

It is colonialist talk and perfectly justified. Jews are the most accomplished 0.2% of the human species. Jews improve every country they live in by being there.

 

[icanhelp1]

The "war crime" that is being told about Israel is that they attacked a hospital. They did not.

Hamas shot a rocket that hit their own hospital. Then they tried to blame Israel for it while inflating the number of casualties to 700 killed when the reality is that <20 were INJURED and no deaths resulted.

And you and the other stinkbrain believe Hamas. You also conveniently leave out that Hamas had command and control centers underneath and inside said hospital. Which Israel discovered after sending in TROOPS instead of missiles.

So, what you're saying is false. That you KNOW it's false makes it a lie and you, a liar.

This supports your narrative. Nobbie and Poltruck are misinformed. Nobbie is a card carrying antiZionist/antiSimetic pro-Hamas sympathizer.

Here's what is known based on the provided search results:

• The Incident: An explosion occurred at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, leading to civilian casualties.
• Initial Claims: Hamas, which controls Gaza, initially blamed the blast on an Israeli airstrike.
• Israeli Response: Israel stated that the explosion was caused by a misfired rocket launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
• U.S. Assessment: The U.S. government, based on intelligence and analysis, concluded that Israel was not responsible and the explosion was likely caused by an errant rocket or missile launch by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
• Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Palestinian Islamic Jihad denied the assertion, but acknowledged that errant rockets from their military wing had caused casualties in the past.
• Independent Analysis: An analysis by the Associated Press, while ruling out a specific video initially cited, still assessed that a rocket launched from Gaza, likely by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, most likely went astray and hit the hospital courtyard. This aligns with conclusions reached by U.S. and French intelligence agencies.

In summary, the evidence points to a misfired rocket launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad as the likely cause of the explosion at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital, not a Hamas missile that blew up in the hospital.

Not an Israeli air strike.

 

[ll74]

This supports your narrative. Nobbie and Poltruck are misinformed. Nobbie is a card carrying antiZionist/antiSimetic pro-Hamas sympathizer.

Here's what is known based on the provided search results:

• The Incident: An explosion occurred at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, leading to civilian casualties.
• Initial Claims: Hamas, which controls Gaza, initially blamed the blast on an Israeli airstrike.
• Israeli Response: Israel stated that the explosion was caused by a misfired rocket launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
• U.S. Assessment: The U.S. government, based on intelligence and analysis, concluded that Israel was not responsible and the explosion was likely caused by an errant rocket or missile launch by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
• Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Palestinian Islamic Jihad denied the assertion, but acknowledged that errant rockets from their military wing had caused casualties in the past.
• Independent Analysis: An analysis by the Associated Press, while ruling out a specific video initially cited, still assessed that a rocket launched from Gaza, likely by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, most likely went astray and hit the hospital courtyard. This aligns with conclusions reached by U.S. and French intelligence agencies.

In summary, the evidence points to a misfired rocket launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad as the likely cause of the explosion at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital, not a Hamas missile that blew up in the hospital.

Not an Israeli air strike.

I asked ChatGPT to refute your argument

Here's a reasoned refutation of that argument, which presents itself as definitive but is in fact selective, dismissive of valid skepticism, and overly reliant on official narratives:

---

1. Labeling opponents to discredit rather than engage​

The opening sentence is ad hominem. Labeling someone a “card-carrying anti-Zionist/antisemitic pro-Hamas sympathizer” discredits the person, not the argument. That’s a diversion from the issue at hand: what actually caused the explosion at the Al-Ahli Hospital. Even if Nobbie and Poltruck held certain views, that doesn’t automatically make all of their claims false. Truth is not decided by a person’s politics.

---

2. The evidence remains contested​

While it's true that U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessed that the explosion was likely caused by a misfired rocket from Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), independent, verifiable evidence supporting this conclusion has not been fully released to the public. Intelligence assessments are not infallible and have historically been used to support misleading narratives (e.g., WMDs in Iraq). Skepticism is not unreasonable in such cases.


Moreover, the U.S. and Israeli conclusions are not universally accepted:

• Al Jazeera, Human Rights Watch, and other organizations have called for independent, international investigations, citing inconsistencies in the missile origin claims.
• Eyewitness reports and some physical damage assessments early on were interpreted differently by independent analysts, including those at Forensic Architecture and some military experts.

---

3. Timeline and motive matter​

The hospital explosion happened in a context of ongoing Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, and Israel had previously struck the hospital’s courtyard days earlier, warning them to evacuate. This led many to reasonably assume Israel might have escalated the strike. Given Israel’s known military capacity to precisely hit or avoid targets, a misfired Hamas/PIJ rocket that caused such significant damage to a hospital seemed questionable to some experts.


Additionally, motivation and benefit need to be considered: who benefits more from shifting the blame? PIJ or Israel? The answer isn’t simple—and both sides have strategic interests in how the narrative is shaped.

---

4. The conclusion is not “settled”​

The argument treats the Israeli/U.S. intelligence reports as the final word, but in reality, this remains a highly politicized and unresolved issue:

• No neutral international body has confirmed the origin of the rocket conclusively.
• There is limited access to the site for independent investigators.
• Public skepticism persists in much of the Arab world and parts of the Global South due to lack of transparency and past precedent of misinformation in conflict zones.

---

5. Logical flaw: conflating PIJ and Hamas​

Even if the explosion was caused by a PIJ rocket, saying “not a Hamas missile” is a sleight of hand. No credible source claimed Hamas launched the rocket in question—so that’s a strawman argument. The original claim from Hamas was that Israel struck the hospital. Refuting that by blaming another Palestinian faction does not weaken the demand for independent verification, nor does it validate the author’s entire narrative.

---

Conclusion​

The original argument relies on politicized intelligence, dismisses dissent via character assassination, and oversimplifies a complex and unresolved situation. A more honest position would admit uncertainty and support a truly independent international investigation.


Assuming the case is closed, and labeling skeptics as “pro-Hamas antisemitic sympathizers,” is not only unhelpful—it shuts down meaningful dialogue and truth-seeking.

 

[JohnEngelman]

This supports your narrative. Nobbie and Poltruck are misinformed. Nobbie is a card carrying antiZionist/antiSimetic pro-Hamas sympathizer.

Poltruck is just as bad.

 

[icanhelp1]

I asked ChatGPT to refute your argument

Here's a reasoned refutation of that argument, which presents itself as definitive but is in fact selective, dismissive of valid skepticism, and overly reliant on official narratives:

---

1. Labeling opponents to discredit rather than engage​

The opening sentence is ad hominem. Labeling someone a “card-carrying anti-Zionist/antisemitic pro-Hamas sympathizer” discredits the person, not the argument. That’s a diversion from the issue at hand: what actually caused the explosion at the Al-Ahli Hospital. Even if Nobbie and Poltruck held certain views, that doesn’t automatically make all of their claims false. Truth is not decided by a person’s politics.

---

2. The evidence remains contested​

While it's true that U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessed that the explosion was likely caused by a misfired rocket from Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), independent, verifiable evidence supporting this conclusion has not been fully released to the public. Intelligence assessments are not infallible and have historically been used to support misleading narratives (e.g., WMDs in Iraq). Skepticism is not unreasonable in such cases.


Moreover, the U.S. and Israeli conclusions are not universally accepted:

• Al Jazeera, Human Rights Watch, and other organizations have called for independent, international investigations, citing inconsistencies in the missile origin claims.
• Eyewitness reports and some physical damage assessments early on were interpreted differently by independent analysts, including those at Forensic Architecture and some military experts.

---

3. Timeline and motive matter​

The hospital explosion happened in a context of ongoing Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, and Israel had previously struck the hospital’s courtyard days earlier, warning them to evacuate. This led many to reasonably assume Israel might have escalated the strike. Given Israel’s known military capacity to precisely hit or avoid targets, a misfired Hamas/PIJ rocket that caused such significant damage to a hospital seemed questionable to some experts.


Additionally, motivation and benefit need to be considered: who benefits more from shifting the blame? PIJ or Israel? The answer isn’t simple—and both sides have strategic interests in how the narrative is shaped.

---

4. The conclusion is not “settled”​

The argument treats the Israeli/U.S. intelligence reports as the final word, but in reality, this remains a highly politicized and unresolved issue:

• No neutral international body has confirmed the origin of the rocket conclusively.
• There is limited access to the site for independent investigators.
• Public skepticism persists in much of the Arab world and parts of the Global South due to lack of transparency and past precedent of misinformation in conflict zones.

---

5. Logical flaw: conflating PIJ and Hamas​

Even if the explosion was caused by a PIJ rocket, saying “not a Hamas missile” is a sleight of hand. No credible source claimed Hamas launched the rocket in question—so that’s a strawman argument. The original claim from Hamas was that Israel struck the hospital. Refuting that by blaming another Palestinian faction does not weaken the demand for independent verification, nor does it validate the author’s entire narrative.

This is the very tactic said individual consistently uses against posters that disagree with its opinion. The history goes way back to the days of Bot-Boy.

Not being on the ground, we as consumers of information can only formulate opinions based on media, sometimes slanted, sometimes accurate and sometimes plain ass wrong (propaganda).

My opinion based on the preponderance of the evidence as exhibited by several media platforms AFTER further evidence and intel reporting has refuted earlier biased media reports and Hamas lying propaganda, was later confirmed the hospital was NOT struck by an errant bomb dropped by an Israeli aircraft. The rest of the sentences you posted, trying to be clever, is inconsequential to this argument. The comment made BY AN EARLIER POSTER was that the Israelis bomb hospitals. Regardless of what faction is responsible the truth of the matter was it wasn’t an Israeli bomb.

---

Conclusion​

The original argument relies on politicized intelligence, dismisses dissent via character assassination, and oversimplifies a complex and unresolved situation. A more honest position would admit uncertainty and support a truly independent international investigation.


Assuming the case is closed, and labeling skeptics as “pro-Hamas antisemitic sympathizers,” is not only unhelpful—it shuts down meaningful dialogue and truth-seeking.

It has become the norm that the media in general is politicized and as a consumer of information I will accept info I feel is closer to the truth. It’s a fact that Hamas uses its people as human shields, they also use hospitals, schools and other social infrastructure as launch points against Israel. The Red Cross or Red Crescent symbolizes neutrality and off limits to enemy fire, not the case with Hamas.

 

[ll74]

This is the very tactic said individual consistently uses against posters that disagree with its opinion. The history goes way back to the days of Bot-Boy.

I just decided it was easier.

Not being on the ground, we as consumers of information can only formulate opinions based on media, sometimes slanted, sometimes accurate and sometimes plain ass wrong (propaganda).

Yep

My opinion based on the preponderance of the evidence as exhibited by several media platforms AFTER further evidence and intel reporting has refuted earlier biased media reports and Hamas lying propaganda, was later confirmed the hospital was NOT struck by an errant bomb dropped by an Israeli aircraft. The rest of the sentences you posted, trying to be clever, is inconsequential to this argument. The comment made BY AN EARLIER POSTER was that the Israelis bomb hospitals. Regardless of what faction is responsible the truth of the matter was it wasn’t an Israeli bomb.

Got it

It has become the norm that the media in general is politicized and as a consumer of information I will accept info I feel is closer to the truth. It’s a fact that Hamas uses its people as human shields, they also use hospitals, schools and other social infrastructure as launch points against Israel. The Red Cross or Red Crescent symbolizes neutrality and off limits to enemy fire, not the case with Hamas.

The majority of media being consumed is on the right.

The left leaning media isn't watched much....

 

[JohnEngelman]

The left leaning media isn't watched much....

I get most of my news from National Public Radio. I enjoy investigating different points of view, but I require honesty, The lies of Rush Limbaugh were documented as early as 1994.

 

[Politruk]

It is colonialist talk and perfectly justified. Jews are the most accomplished 0.2% of the human species. Jews improve every country they live in by being there.

Like the Europeans improved America by taking land of which the Indians were not making the best and fullest use.

 

[Politruk]

This supports your narrative. Nobbie and Poltruck are misinformed.

If you want to be anything other than misinformed about this war, you need to watch Democracy Now! Daily.

 

[Rightguide]

Two weeks......

Tell us more how Trump's word means something to you

It means more to me than it does to the illiterate who can't read:

“Based on the fact that there’s a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks.” timesofindia.indiatimes.com+11washingtonpost.com+11politico.com+11

He did not lie.

 

[ll74]

It means more to me than it does to the illiterate who can't read:

Two weeks....

“Based on the fact that there’s a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks.” timesofindia.indiatimes.com+11washingtonpost.com+11politico.com+11

He did not lie.

Yah, except that he uses the tactic of two weeks more often than this one time.

And you still think he's tough on Russia

Lmao

 

[Rightguide]

Two weeks....


Yah, except that he uses the tactic of two weeks more often than this one time.

And you still think he's tough on Russia

Lmao

He said "within" two weeks. He made his decision within two weeks of his announcement to do the same. You are wrong. He did not lie. Your crippling TDS is on full display. He just crapped on the Russians by bombing their ally, Iran.