☆☆☆Modern American Slavery versus Traditional African Slavery☆☆☆

[Sean Renaud]

13th Amendment Section 1 says the Government can enslave criminals.

Corporations routinely mistreat illegals with inhumane working conditions, low wages, no benefits and threats of reporting.

( maybe rory actually works…as a meat packer! Ha ha no not that kind of meat packer… hold it, probably both kinds! Ha ha ha!)

Individuals hold the passports of domestic workers to enslave them.

Yes but this is not the government enslaving criminals. This is corporations enslaving criminals. We would be having a different conversation if people serving sentences were force to work jobs. Okay they are and we aren't talking about it but I mean this kind of stuff.

I'm not certain they hold the passports but since you need a patron for a work visa its close enough to being able to force them to take up poor work conditions yadd yadda. I concur with that they just aren't slaves.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Yes but this is not the government enslaving criminals. This is corporations enslaving criminals. We would be having a different conversation if people serving sentences were force to work jobs. Okay they are and we aren't talking about it but I mean this kind of stuff.

I'm not certain they hold the passports but since you need a patron for a work visa its close enough to being able to force them to take up poor work conditions yadd yadda. I concur with that they just aren't slaves.

You’re right… the modern slavery of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers is a less obvious, more insidious kind of slavery.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You’re right… the modern slavery of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers is a less obvious, more insidious kind of slavery.

I don't think calling it slavery is a fair description. They can self deport. It will likely be to a worse situation but that's an option they have. I think Iv'e made it clear I'm not agreeing with the conditions they are being kept in. I'm just saying nobody kidnapped them and nobody is BREEDING THEM. When the Transatlantic slave trade was shut down Americans just switched to literally breeding them.

 

[Lance_Castro]

I don't think calling it slavery is a fair description. They can self deport. It will likely be to a worse situation but that's an option they have. I think Iv'e made it clear I'm not agreeing with the conditions they are being kept in. I'm just saying nobody kidnapped them and nobody is BREEDING THEM. When the Transatlantic slave trade was shut down Americans just switched to literally breeding them.

African slaves could also “self deport” by running away to worse situations.

It’s 200+ years later, so there are differences.

But these illegals are second class or third class, as if they were sub-human.

America uses them. Takes advantage of them.

 

[ll74]

Do you even understand how slavery worked for African slaves?

They could not "run away". They were forced to be here. The local towns and cities would capture slaves that ran away and return them to their owners.

There would be the equivalent of alerts sent out to friends and neighbors who would also capture and return slaves to their captor.

They were kidnapped by warlords in their countries, put on ships and sold to American slave owners. There was no self deportation possible.

 

[Sean Renaud]

African slaves could also “self deport” by running away to worse situations.

It’s 200+ years later, so there are differences.

But these illegals are second class or third class, as if they were sub-human.

America uses them. Takes advantage of them.

Being hunted by the government with no where to go is not remotely the same as going home. Its not 200 hundred years later no matter how you do the math. Like that is a very specifically wrong answer.

America does use them. That's not the argument at all. Its that they are not slaves. They aren't even second or third class (is that an actual thing or did you make that up?) That was PoC in general until the 60s/70s if we are solely talking legal restrictions and not social ones.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Being hunted by the government with no where to go is not remotely the same as going home. Its not 200 hundred years later no matter how you do the math. Like that is a very specifically wrong answer.

America does use them. That's not the argument at all. Its that they are not slaves. They aren't even second or third class (is that an actual thing or did you make that up?) That was PoC in general until the 60s/70s if we are solely talking legal restrictions and not social ones.

Yes, America uses 11.5 Million Illegal Mexicans as de facto indentured servants.

You say it’s cool because they can always go “home”.

That’s great!

 

[ll74]

Yes, America uses 11.5 Million Illegal Mexicans as de facto indentured servants.

You say it’s cool because they can always go “home”.

That’s great!

They aren't saying "it's cool" because they can always go home.
They are saying your comparison is not adequate because they can go home.

 

[ll74]

See thread title, moron. Thx.

Yes, you're comparing forced labor to non forced labor, moron.

Mexicans can not be kidnapped to America to work under captivity.

 

[ll74]

There are numerous scholarly articles on this modern form of American Slavery linked in this thread.

But please feel free to continue chanting “ thats not the same!” with your fingers in your ears, fool.

Lol

Mail order brides who earn their keep on their husband’s farm, for example is modern slavery. Sound familiar?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index

That is an article on global slavery, mostly in Asia.

But you keep trying to make your thread make sense as warranted

 

[ll74]

Oh, playing games again.

Neat.

 

[ll74]

 

[Lance_Castro]

There are 4 articles on this modern form of American Slavery linked in this thread.

Mail order brides who earn their keep on their master’s farm, for example… is a form of modern slavery.

Sound familiar?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes, America uses 11.5 Million Illegal Mexicans as de facto indentured servants.

You say it’s cool because they can always go “home”.

That’s great!

I don't know where you are getting the impression that I think it's cool. I know written text can be a bit confusing compared to verbal communications but I haven't written anything that could reasonably interpreted as I think this is cool or acceptable. I was fairly certain that I have communicated that this is not OKAY and that the visa situation is essentially a hostage situation.

That doesn't change the fact that my. . I think great x3 Grandfather didn't have a home to go back to. He was the child of slaves, bred in the United States specifically to be a slave. If he were to escape the plantation (or whatever his condition was. He was a name on a piece of paper my uncle showed me once. I barely care about my immediate family much less some guy who died before World War 1 started.) he had no where to go. He would have to somehow get a boat, learn which specific tribe (assuming it still exists) his ancestors were from. . .if that were even possible. I don't think slave owners were keen on making sure all slave stayed with the same tribe. Quite the opposite if I understand properly.

By contrast we KNOW that immgirants (legal and illegal) send a lot of money back to their home countries. They have a place to return to if they so choose. They do not wish to go. They have better lives here. They make my life better by being here. The rich (overwhelmingly whtie) people who run the businesses that employ them are the ones harming them directly. I do benefit as well mind you but until I own a business with employees (instead of being self employed and having other companies I do business with) I'm not the one holding Pedro's Visa hostage.

Is that clear enough? They are not the same situation and your comparison is really insulting to both groups. If we're on the subject we should remember Native Americans often get fucked

 

[Lance_Castro]

Americans all benefit from the cheap cost of illegal workers.

And they dont need to be exactly like 18th century slaves to be slaves.

That’s why mail order brides (like Butters) and other sex workers are called Modern Slaves, capiche?

Again, i have posted 4 relatively easy to read articles for people here to read.

So far, nobody else has anything authoritative to add…. That would be refreshing!

I don't know where you are getting the impression that I think it's cool. I know written text can be a bit confusing compared to verbal communications but I haven't written anything that could reasonably interpreted as I think this is cool or acceptable. I was fairly certain that I have communicated that this is not OKAY and that the visa situation is essentially a hostage situation.

That doesn't change the fact that my. . I think great x3 Grandfather didn't have a home to go back to. He was the child of slaves, bred in the United States specifically to be a slave. If he were to escape the plantation (or whatever his condition was. He was a name on a piece of paper my uncle showed me once. I barely care about my immediate family much less some guy who died before World War 1 started.) he had no where to go. He would have to somehow get a boat, learn which specific tribe (assuming it still exists) his ancestors were from. . .if that were even possible. I don't think slave owners were keen on making sure all slave stayed with the same tribe. Quite the opposite if I understand properly.

By contrast we KNOW that immgirants (legal and illegal) send a lot of money back to their home countries. They have a place to return to if they so choose. They do not wish to go. They have better lives here. They make my life better by being here. The rich (overwhelmingly whtie) people who run the businesses that employ them are the ones harming them directly. I do benefit as well mind you but until I own a business with employees (instead of being self employed and having other companies I do business with) I'm not the one holding Pedro's Visa hostage.

Is that clear enough? They are not the same situation and your comparison is really insulting to both groups. If we're on the subject we should remember Native Americans often get fucked

 

[ll74]

Another good paper on Butters type slavery:

Domestic slavery: servitude, au pairs and mail-order brides

Doc. 10144
19 April 2004

Report
Committee on Equal Opportunities for Women and Men

https://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/X2H-Xref-ViewHTML.asp?FileID=10505&lang=EN

This article is about European mail order brides.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Another good paper on Butters type slavery:

Domestic slavery: servitude, au pairs and mail-order brides

Doc. 10144
19 April 2004

Report
Committee on Equal Opportunities for Women and Men

https://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/X2H-Xref-ViewHTML.asp?FileID=10505&lang=EN

 

[ll74]

"I want to talk about human trafficking, but need to relate it to early American slavery and I don't want people to question my comparison


Siri, how do I do this"

 

[ll74]

Slavery Specific to the United States

“In the United States, it is estimated that 1,091,000 people live in modern-day slavery, which equals about 3.3 victims for every 1,000 people in the country.”

American slavery apologists like ElleElle are the loathsome creepers defending the forced labour of backwoods sex slaves trafficked through online porn sites.

Sick bastards.

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[ll74]

Slavery Specific to the United States

“In the United States, it is estimated that 1,091,000 people live in modern-day slavery, which equals about 3.3 victims for every 1,000 people in the country.”

American slavery apologists like ElleElle are the loathsome creepers defending the forced labour of backwoods sex slaves trafficked through online porn sites.

Sick bastards.

I haven't defended anything.

Probably read better.


You created a thread with something that makes sense to you and yet haven't yet told people what it's about.

Is it about slavery from the civil war versus slavery now? No
Is it about businesses exploiting labor in the US? No

Is it about human trafficking throughout the world? No

Pick what you're discussing before posting an entire thread and then maybe discuss that. All this is, is your inability to hold a coherent argument without blaming others for your shitty approaches.

 

[ll74]

Slavery Specific to the United States

“In the United States, it is estimated that 1,091,000 people live in modern-day slavery, which equals about 3.3 victims for every 1,000 people in the country.”

American slavery apologists like ElleElle are the loathsome creepers defending the forced labour of backwoods sex slaves trafficked through online porn sites.

Sick bastards.

Quoted before deletion

 

[ll74]

Slavery Specific to the United States

“In the United States, it is estimated that 1,091,000 people live in modern-day slavery, which equals about 3.3 victims for every 1,000 people in the country.”

American slavery apologists like ElleElle are the loathsome creepers defending the forced labour of backwoods sex slaves trafficked through online porn sites.

Sick bastards.

Please quote where I was an apologist to slavery.

If you're concerned with American slavery, why have you provided 5/6 sources regarding non American slavery?

 

[ll74]

The 13th Amendment makes it legal for the Government to have slaves…. And they do.

“It’s 2024, and Slavery Isn’t Over in the U.S.
Although the 13th Amendment seemingly outlawed slavery in 1865, its authors carved out an exception for people convicted of a crime.”

https://www.vera.org/news/its-2024-and-slavery-isnt-over-in-the-u-s

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[ll74]

Clearly, ElleElle is an apologist for Modern American Slavery in all its forms.

Others might want to watch “13th” on Netflix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)

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[lliicckkss]

cant believe California didnt amend this from our state

Clearly, ElleElle is an apologist for Modern American Slavery in all its forms.

Others might want to watch “13th” on Netflix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)