New Trade Deal With The UK

[Politruk]

But he knows that any trade deal, not just with the United States but also with India earlier in the week, is a further barrier to the return of the U K to the EU.

How is that a barrier?

 

[south7eventh]

How is that a barrier?

Under the single market regulations no EU nation can have new trade deals that are more favourable than those available to all the remaining nations. Since Brexit the United Kingdom has signed over twenty trade and tariff agreements with countries around the world. Each of these creates a higher barrier to any negotiation if the United Kingdom were to try to rejoin the EU.

 

[Dw313]

The trade deals the UK has signed more or less mirror those the EU had or has negotiated since Brexit. The great deals the UK has negotiated are all on the other side of the world. The EU/NZ deal has allowed NZ to replace Welsh lamb in the EU. Our far east is their near north.
The UK/India deal opens the door to Indian nationals coming to the UK exactly the opposite of what stupid racist Brexiteers voted for.
UK/US deal is good for cars and steel (what steel?) but still allows US tech giants to take their profits home.
UK was better off in the EU.

 

[dolf]

Trump wanted us to accept chlorine chicken and steroid beef.
We declined to accept chlorine and steroid beef.
That's the part I was most concerned about. Our food standards should never be lowered.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Trump wanted us to accept chlorine chicken and steroid beef.
We declined to accept chlorine and steroid beef.
That's the part I was most concerned about. Our food standards should never be lowered.

If you dig in, you’ll find that less than 5% of US poultry is washed in chlorine.

And that salmonella rates are about the same in chicken everywhere no matter how its fed washed slaughtered processed etc etc

165 degrees is always the answer.

And the objections everywhere are just political and cultural protectionism.

Calling US chicken “dirty” and “chemwashed” is convenient nativism.

That said, i refuse to buy or eat american meats.

Americans are documented as being fatter, shorter and less intelligent with a declining life expectancy, larger body mass index, with smaller penises and low T compared to most every other Country…. Why would anyone emulate their diet?

Lol

 

[HisArpy]

Trump wanted us to accept chlorine chicken and steroid beef.
We declined to accept chlorine and steroid beef.
That's the part I was most concerned about. Our food standards should never be lowered.

What is "chlorine chicken"?

 

[Dw313]

Chickens are slaughtered, de feathered and gutted then rinsed in chlorinated water. The water kills off Sam and Ella. But not 100% so after a period salmonella reinfects the chicken.
In the UK and EU salmonella control starts in the farm and the process doesn’t involve rinsing dead birds. Salmonella is always present so after a period of time there is a level present likely to cause illness.
The US FSA has a more liberal policy on farm salmonella rates.

 

[HisArpy]

Chickens are slaughtered, de feathered and gutted then rinsed in chlorinated water. The water kills off Sam and Ella. But not 100% so after a period salmonella reinfects the chicken.
In the UK and EU salmonella control starts in the farm and the process doesn’t involve rinsing dead birds. Salmonella is always present so after a period of time there is a level present likely to cause illness.
The US FSA has a more liberal policy on farm salmonella rates.

So UK chicken isn't been cleaned or sanitized during processing? And no one washes it before cooking it?

Seriously, I'm having a very difficult time understanding this.

 

[LeahWill]

I can't be bothered reading most of the nonsense written on here so apologies if someone else has stated quite a basic FACT.

The US can try and export as much low grade beef, chlorinated chicken and out of date Tesla cars as it likes.

We ain't gonna be buying any of it...

Your reputation here, as it is across the vast majority of Europe, is on a par with pig shit nowadays. Want proof? Take a look at how well Mr Musk and his Hitler salutes car sales are going here.

Bloody bunch of clowns.

 

[HisArpy]

I can't be bothered reading most of the nonsense written on here so apologies if someone else has stated quite a basic FACT.

The US can try and export as much low grade beef, chlorinated chicken and out of date Tesla cars as it likes.

We ain't gonna be buying any of it...

Your reputation here, as it is across the vast majority of Europe, is on a par with pig shit nowadays. Want proof? Take a look at how well Mr Musk and his Hitler salutes car sales are going here.

Bloody bunch of clowns.

This sounds more like a political narrative than actual fact.

 

[LeahWill]

Oh Christ. The Fake Lawyer.

 

[dolf]

What is "chlorine chicken"?

Chickens are slaughtered, de feathered and gutted then rinsed in chlorinated water. The water kills off Sam and Ella. But not 100% so after a period salmonella reinfects the chicken.
In the UK and EU salmonella control starts in the farm and the process doesn’t involve rinsing dead birds. Salmonella is always present so after a period of time there is a level present likely to cause illness.
The US FSA has a more liberal policy on farm salmonella rates.

^^this

Edwina Curry and her campaign against salmonella in eggs! She dominated the headlines for weeks, demanding we improve farm standards enough to make raw eggs safe to eat. Every egg is stamped, so each egg can be traced back to the source. Chicken is processed fast and has a short use by date.

In cattle, growth hormones and the use of antibiotics as growth enhancers is banned. If cattle are prescribed drugs, they're taken out of the food chain until the drugs have cleared their system.

Oh, and some of your cars don't meet our safety standards either. We're not being arseholes, we just like to avoid unnecessary deaths and injuries. We have some of the safety roads in the world.

 

[DeYaKen]

How is that a barrier?

To call it a barrier requires a lot of imagination. and amounts to nothing more than wishful thinking. No trade deal is a barrier. It is just something Britain would have to give up. When Britain joined the EU (then known as the EEC, we had free trade agreements with the whole of the Commonwealth. We imported Australian butter, New Zealand lamb and cheese, and even Hong Kong was in on the deal. None of that stopped us from joining because the EU market was bigger and closer. The EU also contributed to a number of projects that helped Britain back into a competitive world. These trade deals fall a long way short of the arrangements we had before. Giving them up would be hardly noticeable by comparison.

 

[HisArpy]

^^this

Edwina Curry and her campaign against salmonella in eggs! She dominated the headlines for weeks, demanding we improve farm standards enough to make raw eggs safe to eat. Every egg is stamped, so each egg can be traced back to the source. Chicken is processed fast and has a short use by date.

In cattle, growth hormones and the use of antibiotics as growth enhancers is banned. If cattle are prescribed drugs, they're taken out of the food chain until the drugs have cleared their system.

Oh, and some of your cars don't meet our safety standards either. We're not being arseholes, we just like to avoid unnecessary deaths and injuries. We have some of the safety roads in the world.

I admire your food industry standards, ours suck. Especially since the Government allowed food producers to "self certify" their products. After that happened food quality went downhill and we started having recalls (mostly for E Coli). Guess who processes the food? The same guy who also washes the dishes at your local restaurant. Because he's cheap labor.

Your water isn't chlorinated? At all? How do you control bacteria in the pipes and reservoirs?

 

[dolf]

I admire your food industry standards, ours suck. Especially since the Government allowed food producers to "self certify" their products. After that happened food quality went downhill and we started having recalls (mostly for E Coli). Guess who processes the food? The same guy who also washes the dishes at your local restaurant. Because he's cheap labor.

Your water isn't chlorinated? At all? How do you control bacteria in the pipes and reservoirs?

We do, but at much lower concentrations than your regulations allow. We allow less chemicals to be added to our diets in general.
Getting sick from tapwater is almost unheard of, and everyone drinks tap water.

 

[HisArpy]

We do, but at much lower concentrations than your regulations allow. We allow less chemicals to be added to our diets in general.
Getting sick from tapwater is almost unheard of, and everyone drinks tap water.

So your chickens are actually "chlorinated" by rinsing too, just at a lower level?

This is beginning to sound more political narrative than truthful. Which is what I suspected given how food has to be processed in order to be safe for consumption by the public.

The same is probably true for the clamor against US beef too. I'd wager that if you really looked, somewhere in all of the noise someone is making boatloads of money from it. Someone not named Trump.

 

[Bray123]

UK chicken is not washed in chlorine before sale to make it safe to eat and there are strict limits on the level of female hormones in beef, hence the lack of moobs in British men.

If the US wishes to sell those products in the UK, standards must improve. However that might have a negative effect on the incomes of billionaires, so it's better to have diseased meat.

Water is treated by passing through active charcoal beds, with UV light and with chlorine.

 

[dolf]

So your chickens are actually "chlorinated" by rinsing too, just at a lower level?

This is beginning to sound more political narrative than truthful. Which is what I suspected given how food has to be processed in order to be safe for consumption by the public.

The same is probably true for the clamor against US beef too. I'd wager that if you really looked, somewhere in all of the noise someone is making boatloads of money from it. Someone not named Trump.

Our chicken isn't washed.

But the levels in tap water are nowhere near the levels in a chlorine wash.
Also, it's not the chlorine that's the major concern. It's that chlorine wash is used as a substitute for other measures which are legally required here. For example, eliminating salmonella from farmed chickens.

 

[HisArpy]

Our chicken isn't washed.

But the levels in tap water are nowhere near the levels in a chlorine wash.
Also, it's not the chlorine that's the major concern. It's that chlorine wash is used as a substitute for other measures which are legally required here. For example, eliminating salmonella from farmed chickens.

I see. Basically the gripe is about how the product is made safe rather than the actual safety.

I would like to see Salmonella eliminated and would certainly get behind a push to do as the UK has done. I don't see it happening right now for a lot of political reasons that have almost nothing to do with money.

 

[dolf]

I see. Basically the gripe is about how the product is made safe rather than the actual safety.

I would like to see Salmonella eliminated and would certainly get behind a push to do as the UK has done. I don't see it happening right now for a lot of political reasons that have almost nothing to do with money.

If you accidentally consume undercooked chicken, only the washed surface is free from salmonella.
If I accidentally consume undercooked chicken, as long as it's in date, I won't get as sick if I get sick at all.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

The situation is similar in the EU, which is hardly surprising as the rules were identical until recently. Presumably they still are, as shortly after Brexit the UK unceremoniously turned many EU rules into British rules, which makes sense.
Another fun fact about the eggs. In the USA they have to be washed, in the EU, presumably also in the UK, they are not allowed to be washed. This is because eggs have a layer on the outside that protects them from salmonella and the like. This means that ‘clean’ washed eggs do not last as long.

 

[dolf]

The situation is similar in the EU, which is hardly surprising as the rules were identical until recently. Presumably they still are, as shortly after Brexit the UK unceremoniously turned many EU rules into British rules, which makes sense.
Another fun fact about the eggs. In the USA they have to be washed, in the EU, presumably also in the UK, they are not allowed to be washed. This is because eggs have a layer on the outside that protects them from salmonella and the like. This means that ‘clean’ washed eggs do not last as long.

And our eggs don't need to be refrigerated.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

And our eggs don't need to be refrigerated.

But your fish do. So are ours. 80% of all herring are infected with threadworms. They die if the host, i.e. the fish, is frozen for 24 hours at -20°C (for those people who still use Fahrenheit for really silly reasons: that's a rough estimate of -487.76°F).

 

[HisArpy]

If you accidentally consume undercooked chicken, only the washed surface is free from salmonella.
If I accidentally consume undercooked chicken, as long as it's in date, I won't get as sick if I get sick at all.

???

Raw chicken might have bacteria on it, but 140 degrees (which would still result in undercooked chicken) is sufficient to kill most food borne contaminants.

I get that the UK doesn't want US produced food products because it hurts domestic producers. Why not just say that's the reason? Or that you prefer farm-to-table? There's nothing wrong with that although I'm sure that there are just as many who would accept US food products based on price and known safety record for consumers in the US.

It's like the narrative against Tesla cars. In order to be imported, sold, and driven on UK roads the car has to conform to UK safety standards and requirements. Saying you don't want them because they don't conform is silly because it can't be that way. It's clear that the whole thing is a political narrative attempting to find a basis to hang it on.

Why go there at all when it's so obviously transparent? Especially when the US exports meat products to other countries with no consumer issues. It's the same with cars.


Now let's talk about something that really is different over there in the old world - milk chocolate. You guys use that powdered milk stuff and your chocolate tastes funny.

 

[DeYaKen]

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The UK/India deal opens the door to Indian nationals coming to the UK exactly the opposite of what stupid racist Brexiteers voted for.

This is not true. Farage wants people to believe it's true, but it isn't. The deal with India put's them on the same footing as Australia, New Zealand and fourteen other countries. It allows Indian companies to second workers from their Indian plants to fill gaps at their businesses in the UK without having to pay National Insurance. Those workers would still pay UK taxes plus a surcharge to allow them to use the NHS. It doesn't allow British companies to bring in Indian workers without paying National Insurance.

UK/US deal is good for cars and steel (what steel?) but still allows US tech giants to take their profits home.
UK was better off in the EU.

Britain currently exports 5% of its steel production to the USA so it will help a little. When it comes to cars, It's no big deal we have gone from having a 3% tariff on British cars to a 10% tariff. My guess is that the manufacturers will take 2.5% hit, the importers will absorb 2.5% and the customers will see a 2% price increase. The quota is about the same as the quantity we currently export to the US and that market is forecast to shrink so it's not a problem. In general this much vaunted deal is a bit of a non deal all round.
As far as selling American cars in the UK, it has nothing to do with tariffs. American cars don't sell here because the USA doesn't make the sort of cars we want to drive. I mean, you can't get an F150 into a Uk parking space. We like cars that corner at 50 mph without rolling. We expect diesels to do 50 miles to the gallon and petrol cars to do 35 mpg or more. The Japanese get it, the Koreans get it but the US car makers seem to think that the rest of the world should just adopt their values cos they ain't gonna change. British manufacturers used to think like that, now there are very few left and those that are cater for a small section of the market.