Feedback on new policy announcement.

[AG31]

Have you actually read any of the discussion?

I wanted to know WHICH of the plethora of reasons we see here that particular poster meant.

What's with you? Can't you be nice?

 

[Saltfountain]

I wanted to know WHICH of the plethora of reasons we see here that particular poster meant.

Here are a few of the other reasons from the same page, posted today. Including one from the poster you were asking which reasons they agreed with...

Knowing what we pay AWS for a relatively small site, I can’t even imagine how much it costs them to host all the images that get uploaded here.

Getting rid of the threads like mine and the ones that just scrape the Web for images will save them shit loads

I think the forum should promote discussion. Threads of posted, reposted nudes scoured from the Internet do not do this. The same is true if the images are hidden by links.

What's with you? Can't you be nice?

Honestly? I'm tired. I understand you think this change is an infringement of your rights, judging by the number of threads you've started on the issue.

I also find you very hard to take as a good faith actor given you post other people's nudes in contravention of the current rules, just reinforcing to the people who make the decisions why a blanket ban on nudes may be the easiest and best solution.

People have answered your questions repeatedly and at length. You ignore them. Then you ask the same question again, either in the same thread or you start a new one.

You launch ad hominem attacks on forum mods whose views you disagree with, and wonder why you get little sympathy.

You take no responsibility for your actions, and make me start to be glad there will be changes.

Why can't I be nice? I am nice. But I have a low tolerance for wilful stupidity, and those who break some of the very basic standards of etiquette as far as other people's pictures are concerned. You never once apologised. You just doubled down and tried to justify your actions.

 

[HeyAll]

Laurel gave me a response.

It's going to be the same rules as Instagram

No nudity or illustrated sex. That's the tentative plan. Applies to photographs and illustrations.

I only inquired about the Illustrated Stories section. I don't know if that applies to the forums.

 

[Saltfountain]

Laurel gave me a response.

It's going to be the same rules as Instagram

That's the tentative plan. Applies to photographs and illustrations. No nudity or illustrated sex

Can I just ask, as a non Instagram user, how this will work?

Will it be no nipples or genitalia but pretty much anything else goes?

I appreciate you're only the messenger here...

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Laurel gave me a response.

It's going to be the same rules as Instagram

No nudity or illustrated sex. That's the tentative plan. Applies to photographs and illustrations.

I only inquired about the Illustrated Stories section. I don't know if that applies to the forums.

Applied retroactively?

 

[Saltfountain]

Applied retroactively?

That was what Manu said in his original post

 

[EvaLane]

Can I just ask, as a non Instagram user, how this will work?

Will it be no nipples or genitalia but pretty much anything else goes?

I appreciate you're only the messenger here...

I know I’ve seen nipples on Instagram. Male and female, in medical/educational and sexual contexts.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

That was what Manu said in his original post

I know. It's gonna suck bigtime for many authors who have published a significant number of illustrated stories. I think that only a very small percentage of those stories fit into these new rules, so I wanted to hear if Laurel had some better news for them. Probably not, though.

 

[Saltfountain]

I know. It's gonna suck bigtime for many authors who have published a significant number of illustrated stories. I think that only a very small percentage of those stories fit into these new rules, so I wanted to hear if Laurel had some better news for them. Probably not, though.

They said it was a very small %age where the illustrated stories would fail foul of the nudity changes. I have no idea what the % is in reality

 

[THROBBS]

Laurel gave me a response.

It's going to be the same rules as Instagram

No nudity or illustrated sex. That's the tentative plan. Applies to photographs and illustrations.

I only inquired about the Illustrated Stories section. I don't know if that applies to the forums.

Unfortunately, The instagram rules are not "cut and dried"

https://about.instagram.com/blog/announcements/instagram-community-guidelines-faqs

Appropriate Imagery – We don’t allow nudity on Instagram, with some exceptions, like photos of post-mastectomy scarring and women actively breastfeeding. Nudity in photos of paintings and sculptures is OK, too. "



I did not see any mention (Instagram), specifically about illustrated sex. There is, of course some issue of semantics, in that photographs can be used as illustrations. My personal concern is about hand drawn/painted illustrations.

I have used "artful" nudes (imagine figure drawings) as illustrations to one of my illustrated stories. AND I have used much more explicit drawings for another (and pretty much all of the stand alone illustrations).

So... "No nudity or illustrated sex. Applies to photographs and illustrations."
Pretty much eradicates ALL of my illustrated works. Bummer.

 

[AngelicaS1780]

Laurel gave me a response.

It's going to be the same rules as Instagram

No nudity or illustrated sex. That's the tentative plan. Applies to photographs and illustrations.

I only inquired about the Illustrated Stories section. I don't know if that applies to the forums.

So, we can't upload nudity or illustrated sex to the Lit server. Did she say anything about whether links to images hosted offsite were okay?

 

[AG31]

Never mind.

 

[Saltfountain]

Talk about not reading. My two threads were directed at what I though was a particular implementation of the policy, not the policy itself. When I found that what was purported to be the case (deleting whole threads for the presence of some rule breakers), I stated it and posted no more.

That your entire takeaway from my post?

Figures...

 

[AngelicaS1780]

I know I’ve seen nipples on Instagram. Male and female, in medical/educational and sexual contexts.

https://about.instagram.com/blog/announcements/instagram-community-guidelines-faqs

Appropriate Imagery – We don’t allow nudity on Instagram, with some exceptions, like photos of post-mastectomy scarring and women actively breastfeeding. Nudity in photos of paintings and sculptures is OK, too. "

Those sexual contexts must have been in photos of paintings and/or sculptures.

 

[SMwordz]

TLDR on the thread. Is there an option to establish an NSFW branch of the forum and set up threads that include images within that? All threads that are strictly text/convo will be able to remain within the original location? IMO, this would serve both sides. For that matter, you could remove the option for photos within the SFW branch to secure that. If someone has already covered this, GREAT!!! I apologize for not reading the 14 pages that I didn't.

 

[LittleMissLandmine]

TLDR on the thread. Is there an option to establish an NSFW branch of the forum and set up threads that include images within that? All threads that are strictly text/convo will be able to remain within the original location? IMO, this would serve both sides. For that matter, you could remove the option for photos within the SFW branch to secure that. If someone has already covered this, GREAT!!! I apologize for not reading the 14 pages that I didn't.

no

 

[AwkwardlySet]

TLDR on the thread. Is there an option to establish an NSFW branch of the forum and set up threads that include images within that? All threads that are strictly text/convo will be able to remain within the original location? IMO, this would serve both sides. For that matter, you could remove the option for photos within the SFW branch to secure that. If someone has already covered this, GREAT!!! I apologize for not reading the 14 pages that I didn't.

While your idea is reasonable, it leans on the premise that Manu put forward - that Literotica is changing its policy because of the feedback from users stating that they want to be able to safely browse the site even when at work.
Yeah, even squirrels with brain damage would find it hard to trust those words.

 

[barefootgirl69]

The owners have decided this is the direction they want to take. Do you not understand it has been talked about, pondered, etc etc before they came to this decision?

Did everyone just skip over this part?

"Over time, we've also become more and more aware of Literotica's unique identity as a community dedicated to storytelling via fantasies shared through writing and reading."

 

[AwkwardlySet]

The owners have decided this is the direction they want to take. Do you not understand it has been talked about, pondered, etc etc before they came to this decision?

Did everyone just skip over this part?

"Over time, we've also become more and more aware of Literotica's unique identity as a community dedicated to storytelling via fantasies shared through writing and reading."

Not sure what you wanted to say. I don't really care if they pondered this decision for a long time or not. It's irrelevant. This is their website, and it's 100% their decision where to go with it. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is:

1. That they are taking us for fools and giving us bullshit reasons. Everyone knows it's not because of user feedback. The notion itself is hilarious.

2. While this isn't affecting me personally, it's clear from this thread that even the most popular and most followed authors on Literotica (silk, HeyAll, etc.), who had invested their time and effort and published plenty of illustrated stories that will now go under the axe, haven't been consulted about this change or even warned in time. They are as clueless as the rest of us as to what is going on and whether their stories will be pulled down. That's simply no way to treat people who have brought plenty of readers to the site.

 

[barefootgirl69]

Not sure what you wanted to say.
This is their website, and it's 100% their decision where to go with it.

That sums it up perfectly. Was that so hard to understand?

 

[LittleMissLandmine]

Not sure what you wanted to say. I don't really care if they pondered this decision for a long time or not. It's irrelevant. This is their website, and it's 100% their decision where to go with it. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is:

1. That they are taking us for fools and giving us bullshit reasons. Everyone knows it's not because of user feedback. The notion itself is hilarious.

2. While this isn't affecting me personally, it's clear from this thread that even the most popular and most followed authors on Literotica (silk, HeyAll, etc.), who had invested their time and effort and published plenty of illustrated stories that will now go under the axe, haven't been consulted about this change or even warned in time. They are as clueless as the rest of us as to what is going on and whether their stories will be pulled down. That's simply no way to treat people who have brought plenty of readers to the site.

why would authors be consulted? The stories are here at the discretion of the site owners. Did tumblr consult their top-viewed porn stars before pulling nudity from tumblr? No.

Whatever the reason for pulling nudity from here, it was gonna happen eventually. Nudity is increasingly a legal liability, either as a result of financial institutions applying pressure, or because site owners are aware that without being able to age-verify everybody on this site, they are potentially making lewd images available to children, which falls very much afoul of the law in the United States and elsewhere.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

That sums it up perfectly. Was that so hard to understand?

You know, you and a couple of your buddy moderators, with your pettiness, condescension, trolling, and likely abuse of power, paint a far more vivid picture of all that's wrong about this website than my words ever could.

 

[barefootgirl69]

You know, you and a couple of your buddy moderators, with your pettiness, condescension, trolling, and likely abuse of power, paint a far more vivid picture of all that's wrong about this website than my words ever could.

Here on this forum, I'm not a moderator. Here...I'm just a member and wondering why it's okay for you to be condescending to me in your post, but you don't like it when I do the same to you.

You don't like what I've said because I chose to not argue in the wind about something I cannot change on a free site where I come to read. It's how I found this site to begin with.

Cheers!

 

[Lotus_Kitty]

The owners have decided this is the direction they want to take. Do you not understand it has been talked about, pondered, etc etc before they came to this decision?

Did everyone just skip over this part?

"Over time, we've also become more and more aware of Literotica's unique identity as a community dedicated to storytelling via fantasies shared through writing and reading."

Lit is not unique in being a story centered site. Archive Of Our Own is exactly that, no images there at all. Certainly no ads on AO3 for hentai games with nipples on full display.

Lit's wide range of creative media, writing, audio, visual art, is a major reason I'm here. Lit's forums are another. What makes Lit truly unique is how safe it is compared to other sites where image posting is allowed. I would lose a kind respectful community and a safe outlet for sharing photos if AmPics is taken down. I would lose something very healing and supportive. Of course Laurel and Manu don't owe me anything. I also don't owe them much then, do I? I post stories, audios, pics here because of the community. I don't post content for clicks and likes. I post content to share with others, to feel connected and accepted. Take away my community, I have little reason to post here. I know the site owners don't care about one not so prolific creator. I do think they at least owe us honesty about the reasons for the policy change. Their ads say it sure isn't accidental over the shoulder boobies.

 

[HeyAll]

I know I’ve seen nipples on Instagram. Male and female, in medical/educational and sexual contexts.

Posting nipples on Instagram is easy.

But if Instagram finds out, there's a strong chance they'll delete the person's account.

Webcam models and nude photographers have talked about this. That's why they often have backup accounts, in case their main gets deleted.