Trump Opens Door To Segregated Education

[Bray123]

From the annals of 'What the Actual Fuck', Trumpist officials have lifted a law that banned segregation in Louisiana schools.

https://apnews.com/article/school-s...e-department-7fc5e2e4ef8e9ad4a283f563c042ae7c

That's what education needs in the South, and that's what happens when the Secretary of State for Education's claim to fame is telling pro-wrestlers what to say.

 

[Celand]

he is helping those

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... no whites in their neighbourhoods

 

[domroger]

Segregation now,return of slavery in the future?

 

[Bray123]

They say that it's 'no longer needed' because it's been around so long. Surely they could have come up with something better than that?

Also not needed by the same measure is the Declaration of Independence (pesky 'all men are created equal' nonsense) and the Constitution with that 'only two terms' and a shit load of other inconveniences.

 

[Politruk]

They say that it's 'no longer needed' because it's been around so long. Surely they could have come up with something better than that?

I don't think so -- because that's exactly what they said about the Voting Rights Act.

 

[Politruk]

Well, anyway, ending this order does not mean the public schools will again be segregated.

The real danger in that regard is "vouchers," or any other form of public support for private schools. There are private schools all over the South that were founded in the 1960s as all-white "segregation academies."

 

[Baztrachian]

From the annals of 'What the Actual Fuck', Trumpist officials have lifted a law that banned segregation in Louisiana schools.

https://apnews.com/article/school-s...e-department-7fc5e2e4ef8e9ad4a283f563c042ae7c

That's what education needs in the South, and that's what happens when the Secretary of State for Education's claim to fame is telling pro-wrestlers what to say.

On the other side of the argument is that Louisiana schools are required to reserve seats for black students who otherwise may not qualify according to race-neutral criteria.

As can be seen in practice here:

https://www.deltacs.org/about-us/enrollment

II. Enrollment Limits

Beginning with the 2018-2019 school year and until further order of the Court, Delta Charter School’s enrollment is limited to a total of 350 students who reside in Concordia Parish (the “Concordia cap”) and 500 students overall (the “overall cap”). Given the Concordia cap, Delta Charter School may need to provide a preference for applicants who reside outside of Concordia Parish.

Delta will not deny admission to any black student applicant unless it would violate the Concordia cap or the overall cap to do so

In short, the school is intended to serve residents of the Concordia Parish but they have to bring in black students from outside of their purview in order to satisfy what is now an onerous court order.

A court order that was intended to get rid of racial discrimination is now being used to implement it because when an insufficient number of black students is recruited to this school then a corresponding number of other students have to be denied access in order to achieve court ordered percentages of racial distribution.

Around fifty years ago there were a few racial discrimination cases against government agencies that didn't have any black people on staff for the simple reason that they had no black people living in their jurisdictions. When the activist courts ordered that black people were to be recruited from outside the jurisdiction (in one case a state) the appellate courts said this was overreach.

Back to the schools, barring a white kid access to an educational opportunity because not enough black kids can be found is patently discriminatory.

The court order is past its best-by date and it's time to end it.

 

[Baztrachian]

Well, anyway, ending this order does not mean the public schools will again be segregated.

The real danger in that regard is "vouchers," or any other form of public support for private schools. There are private schools all over the South that were founded in the 1960s as all-white "segregation academies."

Any private schools that accept government vouchers will have to abide civil rights laws. No wiggle room on that one. Nor should there be.

 

[Politruk]

On the other side of the argument is that Louisiana schools are required to reserve seats for black students who otherwise may not qualify according to race-neutral criteria.

As can be seen in practice here:

https://www.deltacs.org/about-us/enrollment



In short, the school is intended to serve residents of the Concordia Parish but they have to bring in black students from outside of their purview in order to satisfy what is now an onerous court order.

A court order that was intended to get rid of racial discrimination is now being used to implement it because when an insufficient number of black students is recruited to this school then a corresponding number of other students have to be denied access in order to achieve court ordered percentages of racial distribution.

Around fifty years ago there were a few racial discrimination cases against government agencies that didn't have any black people on staff for the simple reason that they had no black people living in their jurisdictions. When the activist courts ordered that black people were to be recruited from outside the jurisdiction (in one case a state) the appellate courts said this was overreach.

Back to the schools, barring a white kid access to an educational opportunity because not enough black kids can be found is patently discriminatory.

The court order is past its best-by date and it's time to end it.

Charter schools were always a very bad idea anyway. If they can pick out a special school and make it better than the ordinary public schools, they should be able to do that for all the schools.

 

[Baztrachian]

Charter schools were always a very bad idea anyway. If they can pick out a special school and make it better than the ordinary public schools, they should be able to do that for all the schools.

But that's not how reality works, is it?

In New York City a black charter school is beating the heck out of the public schools and they're getting opposition from the public schools instead of the public schools trying to emulate their success.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/black-nyc-charter-students-outperform-public-counterparts/

If the public schools were truly successful then there'd be no push from the black community to form their own comparatively successful charter schools.

 

[Politruk]

But that's not how reality works, is it?

In New York City a black charter school is beating the heck out of the public schools and they're getting opposition from the public schools instead of the public schools trying to emulate their success.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/black-nyc-charter-students-outperform-public-counterparts/

If the public schools were truly successful then there'd be no push from the black community to form their own comparatively successful charter schools.

Well, of course a charter school is going to outperform other schools if it uses selective admission, if it only takes students with superior academic aptitude. That practice is what is objectionable. There is no good reason to separate out the best students and send them to a special school, while letting the lesser schools languish funding-wise.

 

[Bray123]

But that's not how reality works, is it?

In New York City a black charter school is beating the heck out of the public schools and they're getting opposition from the public schools instead of the public schools trying to emulate their success.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/black-nyc-charter-students-outperform-public-counterparts/

If the public schools were truly successful then there'd be no push from the black community to form their own comparatively successful charter schools.

If you'd said that a black public school had out-performed a white charter, I'd have been impressed.

But as it is, the fact that 'white charter' and 'black charter' schools exist shows that segregation still is an issue.

 

[Baztrachian]

There is no good reason to separate out the best students and send them to a special school,

What absolute utter bullshit. You don't condemn the best students (by any measure) to underperforming schools just to satisfy some bullshit equity agenda.

The thing that makes these kids the best students are their parents who fought for the charter school and then fought to get their child into the charter school. These are families that value education.

PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS send their own kids to these schools due to the failures of socialized schools.

https://www.chalkboardnews.com/opin...ecent survey paints,charter, private, or home.

A more recent survey paints a similar picture. Roughly 20% of public school teachers have sent their own children to private schools. Three out of ten have utilized some alternative schooling option – charter, private, or home.

 

[Baztrachian]

If you'd said that a black public school had out-performed a white charter, I'd have been impressed.

But as it is, the fact that 'white charter' and 'black charter' schools exist shows that segregation still is an issue.

This is a black charter school serving inner city black kids. It isn't segregated by design (illegal) but by circumstance (legal).

 

[Politruk]

Well, anyway, ending this order does not mean the public schools will again be segregated.

The real danger in that regard is "vouchers," or any other form of public support for private schools. There are private schools all over the South that were founded in the 1960s as all-white "segregation academies."

See here at 8:15.

 

[Politruk]

What absolute utter bullshit. You don't condemn the best students (by any measure) to underperforming schools just to satisfy some bullshit equity agenda.

You don't leave the worst students in underperforming schools. They need the better ones more than anybody.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

But that's not how reality works, is it?

In New York City a black charter school is beating the heck out of the public schools and they're getting opposition from the public schools instead of the public schools trying to emulate their success.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/black-nyc-charter-students-outperform-public-counterparts/

If the public schools were truly successful then there'd be no push from the black community to form their own comparatively successful charter schools.

What are they doing at the charter that’s making them more successful?

 

[Baztrachian]

What are they doing at the charter that’s making them more successful?

According to the test scores they're teaching the kids to read, write, do math, and spell. Crazy bastards.

 

[Baztrachian]

You don't leave the worst students in underperforming schools. They need the better ones more than anybody.

No, you fix the underperforming schools and if that means busting the unions so you can fire the shitbag teachers then that's what you do.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

According to the test scores they're teaching the kids to read, write, do math, and spell. Crazy bastards.

The public schools do that too. What are the charters doing differently for the different scores?

 

[Politruk]

No, you fix the underperforming schools and if that means busting the unions so you can fire the shitbag teachers then that's what you do.

The unions are not part of any problem!

 

[Baztrachian]

The public schools do that too.

The test scores and graduation rates say otherwise.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The test scores and graduation rates say otherwise.

They do. The graduation rate is 87% for public school students in the US. What are the charters schools doing differently?

 

[Baztrachian]

The unions are not part of any problem!

https://ceafu.org/2025/03/the-silent-crisis-how-teacher-unions-took-over-and-left-students-behind/

https://chicagopolicyreview.org/202...r-unionization-on-long-term-student-outcomes/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272775715000242

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/opi...-ruin-educational-system-opinion/83088041007/

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

https://ceafu.org/2025/03/the-silent-crisis-how-teacher-unions-took-over-and-left-students-behind/

https://chicagopolicyreview.org/202...r-unionization-on-long-term-student-outcomes/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272775715000242

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/opi...-ruin-educational-system-opinion/83088041007/

I don’t think you’ve read these articles or understand what unions are or how schools work. Your first articles paragraph talks about unions gaining power, what power did they gain?? If that were true the data would reflect that, but it doesn’t.