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I just got out of a relationship with someone I’m not sure experiences empathy. I could see him cognitively display normal social responses but you can tell it was just a learned reaction.We forgive the narcicist because it hurts too much to accept that they just never loved us in the first place. It's hard to understand how anyone could lie like that.
I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you went through that. I've been fooled twice in my life and have come to think that the one who raised me left some kind of marker that draws them.I just got out of a relationship with someone I’m not sure experiences empathy. I could see him cognitively display normal social responses but you can tell it was just a learned reaction.
He had the same need for connection and love, but lacked the capacity to see how others have feelings that can be hurt too. He only considered his.
Do you know your MBTI type? I think mine is that + a few other factors. Attachment theory?I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you went through that. I've been fooled twice in my life and have come to think that the one who raised me left some kind of marker that draws them.
I'm not sure. I largely figure things out on my own and then later find out I reinvented the wheel. My mother was a histrionic, narcissistic, psychopath who left me simultaneously craving love but certain I was unworthy because I'm deficient.Do you know your MBTI type? I think mine is that + a few other factors. Attachment theory?
Eh, they can blame me for hijacking the thread.I'm not sure. I largely figure things out on my own and then later find out I reinvented the wheel. My mother was a histrionic, narcissistic, psychopath who left me simultaneously craving love but certain I was unworthy because I'm deficient.
Also, never meant to take over the thread, sorry.
Eh, they can blame me for hijacking the thread.
My takeaway is it’s a miracle YOU didn’t turn into the narcissist. The person I mentioned above had a narcissistic mother (we trauma bonded over this shared connection). It made him Avoidant and unable to recognize love or express it in healthy ways. He cyberstalked me to know how to better manipulate, lashed out in jealousy when there for shit he invented, etc.
On that type of mother creates people pleasers, where I fall. Maybe you do as well? Narcissists love those.
I don’t use that term lightly. I know not everyone’s Ex is a narcissist.
I don't know if I was ever a people pleaser. I think I tried hard, but always felt like I was doomed to fall short. There is also a part of me that has always resisted, rebelled. Nobody likes that part.
I've been on a personal journey lately. Everything has changed so fast. A month ago I woke up with Bells Palsey. Then I rapidly lost my job and my place to live, drive 1k miles only to have a cardiac event and tomorrow morning will have a triple bypass. It's like the universe got tired of waiting for me to learn. But I think I'm learning now.
I hope you're way smarter than me and far less stubborn. The lessons will be gentler.
I bet they were told exactly that - if they told their friends they do so.Why aren’t the spouses who withhold intimacy (including intellectual/emotional not just physical/sexual) told to divorce, before they get to the point they treat the person they said they’d love, like nothing more than a paycheck and domestic labor? The way cheaters are told they should’ve gotten divorced before fulfilling their needs elsewhere?
Well that is the "marker". Because it affects how you behave, even whom you choose. It is incredibly easy to repeat the experience, to choose partners who confirm you're not worthy - you accept that, starting from little things, because you don't feel like worthy.who left me simultaneously craving love but certain I was unworthy because I'm deficient.
I doubt it.I bet they were told exactly that - if they told their friends they do so.
I’m currently reading a Cli-Fi and the premise is What can be done to address climate change as catastrophic events happen and are projected to continue due to warming? It really digs into the Environmentalism, Economics and Politics involved.There are several businesses, even hobbies, which should be starved out as they are simply environmentally irresponsible to their core.
Why it does happen is mostly the withholding spouses not talking to their friends how they are withholding. Much less than people admitting to their friends - or over here - how they are cheating.I doubt it.
First the withholding spouse would have to be aware that they’re neglecting their spouses needs/wants.
Then willing to openly say they’re doing so for whatever reason: exhaustion, stress being common. But other times to punish a spouse they’re mad at. Mad for over a decade?! Denying sex for over a decade…
And the friend would have to be willing to correct that bullshit. I’m that friend. I’m not sure many more are.
What I see play out instead is the pile on after any amount of cheating is involved and the spouse who denies intimacy milking the sympathy.
This is simply untrue. If you have Reddit, you should visit the Dead Bedrooms subreddit.But those being denied sex never admit or even recognise if there has in fact been a lack of safe space to discuss these issues, or even outright disregard for what the spouse might want or need.
Does the withholding spouse have Freckles? (Asking for a friend!)This is simply untrue. If you have Reddit, you should visit the Dead Bedrooms subreddit.
So many neglected spouses have broached the subject, ad nauseam, desperate for a solution. Willing to do anything to please their partner. Just to get blown off again and again.
The withholding partner is getting exactly what they’re after. Financial stability, all a married status affords them, someone to split the household chores. There’s no motivation for them to meet their partners needs.
There are plenty of cases where the withholding spouse is dangling sex like a carrot on a stick to demand more from their neglected spouse.
Do you lack the ability to read the room?Does the withholding spouse have Freckles? (Asking for a friend!)
Oh I know many of the neclected spouses are definitely not at fault. And I recommend them to leave just as much as their neglecting spouse.This is simply untrue. If you have Reddit, you should visit the Dead Bedrooms subreddit.
So many neglected spouses have broached the subject, ad nauseam, desperate for a solution. Willing to do anything to please their partner. Just to get blown off again and again.
The withholding partner is getting exactly what they’re after. Financial stability, all a married status affords them, someone to split the household chores. There’s no motivation for them to meet their partners needs.
There are plenty of cases where the withholding spouse is dangling sex like a carrot on a stick to demand more from their neglected spouse.