European Armaments Manufacturers

[Fuzzy1975]

I like how you tried to argue that the 1994 Budapest memo represents a US commitment to providing security guarantees to Ukraine by sharing an Brookings Institute opinion piece that characterizes the memo as “purposely ambiguous”, controversial, and “a grave diplomatic blunder.”

Go back and show me where I said anything about a "security guarantee". I stated Trump broke the economic blackmail ( for a better word) clause, as agreed to in the Memorandum, based upon the Helsinki agreement signed earlier.

I further offered up an opinion, and the difference in language used in the documents to back up my use of the word ambiguous toward the language in the Memorandum. Which leaves the Budapest document open to interpretation by all sides.

Quit trying to deflect form the fact Trump has failed to follow the Memorandum.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Projecting like an IMAX.....you remember those right boomer??

oh look low rent bobo tries to be funny, while getting his ass handed to him again. *chuckles* poor bobo....

 

[UltraChad]

oh look low rent bobo tries to be funny, while getting his ass handed to him again. *chuckles* poor bobo....

Where did that happen??

Delusional schizophrenic old french faggot is more delusional than usual.....take your meds old timer.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Where did that happen??

It happens every time you post bobo....no one takes anything you post seriously. You're just histrionic hilarity....bravo...take a bow...

Poor insecure bobo....*chuckles*

 

[UltraChad]

It happens every time you post bobo..

Oh so you were totally full of shit.

As usual.

You're just histrionic hilarity....

Using words you don't understand again.

That's worked out well for you so many times!!!

Poor FuzzyFucktardo.....* chuckles *

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Oh so you were totally full of shit.

Oh looks who's back, Mr insecure and no impulse control....*chuckles* poor bobo...

 

[UltraChad]

Oh looks who's back, Mr insecure and no impulse control....*chuckles* poor bobo...

Oh look who's still full of shit and doesn't understand the words he uses..... * chuckles * poor impotent old fuck.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Oh look who's still full of shit and doesn't understand the words he uses..... * chuckles * poor impotent old fuck.

ring ring....woof woof.....*chuckles*

 

[UltraChad]

ring ring....woof woof.....*chuckles*

Oh we're feeling cornered again, better lean on that!!!


Before you go leaving a couple dozen rage posts for me to wake up to LOL

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Oh we're feeling cornered again, better lean on that!!!

ring ring...woof woof.....I call you come......I've trained you well. But given your insecurity, it's not that hard.

*chuckles* poor bobo......

 

[UltraChad]

ring ring...woof woof.....I call you come......I've trained you well. But given your insecurity, it's not that hard.

*chuckles* poor bobo......

That's why I regularly wake up to numerous posts from you hua?

LMFAO.....this is the most pathetic attempt to not look like the ignorant old boomer fucktard that you are.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

ring ring...woof woof.....I call you come......I've trained you well. But given your insecurity, it's not that hard.

*chuckles* poor bobo......

That's why I regularly wake up to numerous posts from you hua?

LMFAO.....this is the most pathetic attempt to not look like the ignorant old boomer fucktard that you are.

yet here you are replying....no impulse control mated to an insecure incel male......the perfect source of laughter....poor bobo.

 

[UltraChad]

yet here you are replying....

Yes you are.

no impulse control

You have none.

mated to an insecure incel male.....

There you go projecting agin.

.the perfect source of laughter....poor bobo.

That's sad.....for you.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes you are.



You have none.



There you go projecting agin.



That's sad.....for you.

yet here you are replying....no impulse control mated to an insecure incel male......the perfect source of laughter....poor bobo.

*chuckles* ring ring.....

 

[Bray123]

European Armament manufacturers are already benefitting from Trumptariffs. How long before Lockheed Martin implements DOGE-cuts?

https://www.airdatanews.com/instead-of-f-35-portugal-turns-to-europe-in-search-of-new-fighter/

the Portuguese Defense Minister, Nuno Melo, ruled out an order for the (F35) aircraft, as did several other European nations, and blamed the Trump administration.

The Republican has made controversial statements regarding NATO members and threatened to suspend defense spending that kept Europe safe after World War II.

In addition to the French fighter, the European options are the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Saab Gripen E/F. There is also the KAAN, a 5th generation fighter developed by TAI, from Turkey, but which is still in the development phase.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Unpredictability Of USA: Portugal Rules Out F-35 Fighter Purchase

Portugal’s Defense Minister, Nuno Melo, announced that the country was excluding the purchase of F-35 fighters, citing concerns over the unpredictability of U.S. policies and the current geopolitical climate. Melo emphasized that although the Portuguese Air Force’s F-16 fighter jets were approaching the end of their service life, it was essential to assess options that ensured greater predictability and operational safety. He noted that, as an alternative to purchasing F-35s, European-made combat aircraft were under consideration. The minister highlighted that the United States’ current position on NATO cooperation and the broader international geostrategic landscape called for careful consideration of the most effective options to ensure Portugal‘s defense.

He emphasized that the predictability of the allies was a crucial factor in the decision-making process regarding the replacement of combat aircraft. The Defense Minister did not specify which European aircraft were under consideration. However, he suggested that among the options explored by the Portuguese government were French Rafale fighter aircraft. These statements reflect a strategic reassessment of Portugal’s cooperation and military acquisitions, aimed at ensuring national sovereignty and the effectiveness of its armed forces. It is worth noting that among the closest U.S. allies who are the customers and operators of the F-35, there are concerns about the potential for their fighter jets to be “turned off” in the event of a conflict with Washington. This is related to the radical shift in U.S. policy under President Donald Trump.

In April of last year, the Chief of Staff of the Portuguese Air Force announced the country’s plan to purchase American F-35 fighter jets to modernize its fleet. Portugal aimed to invest €5.5 billion over the next 20 years to transition to this new generation of aircraft. Currently, the Portuguese Air Force operates a fleet of 28 F-16AM/BM fighter jets, which have been modernized under the MLU (Mid-Life Update) program.

Well, a small F35 sale, but that's not even in the running now thanks to Trump's foreign policy decisions. Looks like Dassault will be the winners of this one. For Portugal, the Rafale or the Gripen would probably be a better choice anyhow. The Rafale has an edge in sales now, largely due to American restrictions on the F-35’s sales and use. The F-35 has been found surveilling its foreign operators in the past and sending this data back to the United States, which has the ability to render its fighters overseas inoperable by closely limiting access to their operational codes. In addition the U.S. attaches political and economic conditions to its aircraft sales, notable recent example being the reported demand that the United Arab Emirates end cooperation with the Chinese telecoms firm Huawei and restrict ties to Beijing should it seek to acquire the F-35. This led Abu Dhabi to instead opt for the Rafale, with France attaching very few conditions to how its fighters can be used or which parties can purchase them.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/unpredictability-of-usa-portugal-rules-out-f-35-fighter-purchase/

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...-or-france-have-the-better-production-fighter

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Unpredictability Of USA: Portugal Rules Out F-35 Fighter Purchase

Portugal’s Defense Minister, Nuno Melo, announced that the country was excluding the purchase of F-35 fighters, citing concerns over the unpredictability of U.S. policies and the current geopolitical climate. Melo emphasized that although the Portuguese Air Force’s F-16 fighter jets were approaching the end of their service life, it was essential to assess options that ensured greater predictability and operational safety. He noted that, as an alternative to purchasing F-35s, European-made combat aircraft were under consideration. The minister highlighted that the United States’ current position on NATO cooperation and the broader international geostrategic landscape called for careful consideration of the most effective options to ensure Portugal‘s defense.

He emphasized that the predictability of the allies was a crucial factor in the decision-making process regarding the replacement of combat aircraft. The Defense Minister did not specify which European aircraft were under consideration. However, he suggested that among the options explored by the Portuguese government were French Rafale fighter aircraft. These statements reflect a strategic reassessment of Portugal’s cooperation and military acquisitions, aimed at ensuring national sovereignty and the effectiveness of its armed forces. It is worth noting that among the closest U.S. allies who are the customers and operators of the F-35, there are concerns about the potential for their fighter jets to be “turned off” in the event of a conflict with Washington. This is related to the radical shift in U.S. policy under President Donald Trump.

In April of last year, the Chief of Staff of the Portuguese Air Force announced the country’s plan to purchase American F-35 fighter jets to modernize its fleet. Portugal aimed to invest €5.5 billion over the next 20 years to transition to this new generation of aircraft. Currently, the Portuguese Air Force operates a fleet of 28 F-16AM/BM fighter jets, which have been modernized under the MLU (Mid-Life Update) program.

Well, a small F35 sale, but that's not even in the running now thanks to Trump's foreign policy decisions. Looks like Dassault will be the winners of this one. For Portugal, the Rafale or the Gripen would probably be a better choice anyhow. The Rafale has an edge in sales now, largely due to American restrictions on the F-35’s sales and use. The F-35 has been found surveilling its foreign operators in the past and sending this data back to the United States, which has the ability to render its fighters overseas inoperable by closely limiting access to their operational codes. In addition the U.S. attaches political and economic conditions to its aircraft sales, notable recent example being the reported demand that the United Arab Emirates end cooperation with the Chinese telecoms firm Huawei and restrict ties to Beijing should it seek to acquire the F-35. This led Abu Dhabi to instead opt for the Rafale, with France attaching very few conditions to how its fighters can be used or which parties can purchase them.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/unpredictability-of-usa-portugal-rules-out-f-35-fighter-purchase/

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...-or-france-have-the-better-production-fighter

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thanks trump and the idiots in the kakistocracy

 

[UltraChad]

thanks trump and the idiots in the kakistocracy

"Won't someone think of the military industrial complex!!!"
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2024/9SHi5k.gif

LOL...

 

[UltraChad]

*chuckles* ring ring.....

More projection from the puppers.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

"Won't someone think of the military industrial complex!!!"
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2024/9SHi5k.gif

LOL...

Once again you embarrassed yourself. Mommas gotta proud of her bot er boy.

You don't get it. The US defense industry loses out.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

*chuckles* ring ring.....

More projection from the puppers.

Yet here you are replying again....insecurity and no impulse control are the hallmarks of hilarity!!

poor bobo...*chuckles*

 

[DeYaKen]

Unpredictability Of USA: Portugal Rules Out F-35 Fighter Purchase

Portugal’s Defense Minister, Nuno Melo, announced that the country was excluding the purchase of F-35 fighters, citing concerns over the unpredictability of U.S. policies and the current geopolitical climate. Melo emphasized that although the Portuguese Air Force’s F-16 fighter jets were approaching the end of their service life, it was essential to assess options that ensured greater predictability and operational safety. He noted that, as an alternative to purchasing F-35s, European-made combat aircraft were under consideration. The minister highlighted that the United States’ current position on NATO cooperation and the broader international geostrategic landscape called for careful consideration of the most effective options to ensure Portugal‘s defense.

He emphasized that the predictability of the allies was a crucial factor in the decision-making process regarding the replacement of combat aircraft. The Defense Minister did not specify which European aircraft were under consideration. However, he suggested that among the options explored by the Portuguese government were French Rafale fighter aircraft. These statements reflect a strategic reassessment of Portugal’s cooperation and military acquisitions, aimed at ensuring national sovereignty and the effectiveness of its armed forces. It is worth noting that among the closest U.S. allies who are the customers and operators of the F-35, there are concerns about the potential for their fighter jets to be “turned off” in the event of a conflict with Washington. This is related to the radical shift in U.S. policy under President Donald Trump.

In April of last year, the Chief of Staff of the Portuguese Air Force announced the country’s plan to purchase American F-35 fighter jets to modernize its fleet. Portugal aimed to invest €5.5 billion over the next 20 years to transition to this new generation of aircraft. Currently, the Portuguese Air Force operates a fleet of 28 F-16AM/BM fighter jets, which have been modernized under the MLU (Mid-Life Update) program.

Well, a small F35 sale, but that's not even in the running now thanks to Trump's foreign policy decisions. Looks like Dassault will be the winners of this one. For Portugal, the Rafale or the Gripen would probably be a better choice anyhow. The Rafale has an edge in sales now, largely due to American restrictions on the F-35’s sales and use. The F-35 has been found surveilling its foreign operators in the past and sending this data back to the United States, which has the ability to render its fighters overseas inoperable by closely limiting access to their operational codes. In addition the U.S. attaches political and economic conditions to its aircraft sales, notable recent example being the reported demand that the United Arab Emirates end cooperation with the Chinese telecoms firm Huawei and restrict ties to Beijing should it seek to acquire the F-35. This led Abu Dhabi to instead opt for the Rafale, with France attaching very few conditions to how its fighters can be used or which parties can purchase them.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/unpredictability-of-usa-portugal-rules-out-f-35-fighter-purchase/

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...-or-france-have-the-better-production-fighter

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Yes, there is a lot of skepticism here in Europe. The latest Scare is a report that F35s ordered by Germany will have a Kill Switch, which the US can activate to stop the planes being used in any conflict the US doesn't support. Germany currently has 15 planes on order, and pressure is being exerted on the government to cancel. Whether the report is true or not, the unreliability of the US as a NATO partner casts a big shadow over arms purchases. Every arms system requires support, spare parts servicing etc. The thought that such support may be conditional is a big deterrent. France is now telling Britain that it could replace the Trident Nuclear Missiles that Britain is supposed to purchase from the US to equip the new Dreadnought submarines.
Trump's willingness to sell Ukraine down the river, and in doing so increase the threat to most of Europe has rung alarm bells. It may well achieve his aim of making Europe spend more on defence, but that money is not liable to be spent on US arms systems. NATO is currently crumbling, which many believe is one of Trump's aims. However, if that is his aim then he is also Closing down the biggest and best shop window the US arms industry ever had.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes, there is a lot of skepticism here in Europe. The latest Scare is a report that F35s ordered by Germany will have a Kill Switch, which the US can activate to stop the planes being used in any conflict the US doesn't support. Germany currently has 15 planes on order, and pressure is being exerted on the government to cancel. Whether the report is true or not, the unreliability of the US as a NATO partner casts a big shadow over arms purchases. Every arms system requires support, spare parts servicing etc. The thought that such support may be conditional is a big deterrent. France is now telling Britain that it could replace the Trident Nuclear Missiles that Britain is supposed to purchase from the US to equip the new Dreadnought submarines.
Trump's willingness to sell Ukraine down the river, and in doing so increase the threat to most of Europe has rung alarm bells. It may well achieve his aim of making Europe spend more on defence, but that money is not liable to be spent on US arms systems. NATO is currently crumbling, which many believe is one of Trump's aims. However, if that is his aim then he is also Closing down the biggest and best shop window the US arms industry ever had.

Canada is working on a deal for 88 F-35's. Given Trump's bullshit, and the 8 million lines of code America controls in the F-35 computer system, we too are considering cancelling.

It will become an election issue. We Canadians are fucking livid, and with the soon to be election, any party that doesn't publicly state they will cancel the deal, will not get elected.

I think you're bang on about Trump breaking NATO up, and being Putins bitch. As well as the US will be the biggest loser as the EU designs it's own version of the old NATO.

For those who doubt this: Ask yourself this, did NATO buy Russian military equipment? Well why would the EU buy US military equipment.

 

[ishtat]

Rheinmetal is Germany and Europe's largest producer of Munitions. It grew by 30% last year and forecasts a further increase of 40% this year. Stock price has increased by 1000 %+ in the last 3 years. Dividends increased by about 80%/share last year. Tariffs are not a concern because the company has manufacturing capacity in the US though most of the growth is elsewhere, particularly Europe and Asia. A substantial part of that growth appears to be at the expense of US competition though Rheinmetal is not stressing that point, not wishing to upset Washington .

Russia was so concerned that Putin ordered the murder of their CEO Armin Papperger last year. Fortunately the plot was foiled .

I should declare an interest having shares in Rheinmetal, though much less than I would like! - Particularly as the Bundestag is set to pass armaments funding increases next week.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Rheinmetal is Germany and Europe's largest producer of Munitions. It grew by 30% last year and forecasts a further increase of 40% this year. Stock price has increased by 1000 %+ in the last 3 years. Dividends increased by about 80%/share last year. Tariffs are not a concern because the company has manufacturing capacity in the US though most of the growth is elsewhere, particularly Europe and Asia. A substantial part of that growth appears to be at the expense of US competition though Rheinmetal is not stressing that point, not wishing to upset Washington .

Russia was so concerned that Putin ordered the murder of their CEO Armin Papperger last year. Fortunately the plot was foiled .

I should declare an interest having shares in Rheinmetal, though much less than I would like! - Particularly as the Bundestag is set to pass armaments funding increases next week.

Not just Rheinmetall, altho they're a big player and getting bigger. BAE Systems and Saab. Patria in Finland. Thales in France. Dassault Aviation. Leonardo in Italy. CSG in Czechia. Poland has a couple. There's quite a selection to pick from and they're mostly all doing well.