For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Philthy_Phil]

Macron's reaction is priceless. He knows trump is a clown and has made him look like one a few times now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Global_News_Hub/comments/1iya6rx/reporter_asking_trump_if_he_would_call_putin_a

 

[ChloeTzang]

And American support for Ukraine has nothing to do with Biden family business interests.

Let's just say that's past history and the present is more important than bickering about what's passed. You know you and I disagree on Biden, but I will say, whatever his faults, and they were many, the Biden Administration in general supported Ukraine, except where it didn't suit them. Biden's done, gone and not even being talked about. Let's just put the old clown aside.

What's more important right now is what the current Trump Administration is doing or not doing.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Why Putin is finally negotiating​

Moscow could soon struggle to finance the war, and fiscal breathing room may well be what the Russian leader’s looking for. Fiscally speaking, Russia is running out of time. The Kremlin has no plan D to finance its budget deficit, raising questions about its ability to fund the war. From this perspective, fiscal breathing room could well be what Putin is really looking for in his talks with the U.S., whether through sanctions relief (for instance, relaxing U.S. restrictions on Russia’s ability to place external debt) or a pause in the conflict (which would allow Moscow to replenish its coffers via a reduction in defense spending).

Back in September 2024, Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s defense intelligence chief, predicted that mired in economic problems, Moscow would try to force an end to the war in 2025. These words may now be proving prescient. The reason Putin might finally be ready to negotiate seems to be remarkably simple: He wants to avoid a humiliating bankruptcy.

In other words, a ceasefire plays right into Russia's hands and achieve's nothing except a pause before a renewed Russian attack. Ditto amy "peace" agreement. It just allows an interlude before the next Russian offensive.

The only thing that will bring this war to an end is the collapse and disintegration of Russia and the seperation of Muscovy from it's colonial empire, something that's 60 years overdue.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vla...d-trump-moscow-ukraine-gdp-finance-war-banks/

 

[ll74]

Why Putin is finally negotiating​

Moscow could soon struggle to finance the war, and fiscal breathing room may well be what the Russian leader’s looking for. Fiscally speaking, Russia is running out of time. The Kremlin has no plan D to finance its budget deficit, raising questions about its ability to fund the war. From this perspective, fiscal breathing room could well be what Putin is really looking for in his talks with the U.S., whether through sanctions relief (for instance, relaxing U.S. restrictions on Russia’s ability to place external debt) or a pause in the conflict (which would allow Moscow to replenish its coffers via a reduction in defense spending).

Back in September 2024, Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s defense intelligence chief, predicted that mired in economic problems, Moscow would try to force an end to the war in 2025. These words may now be proving prescient. The reason Putin might finally be ready to negotiate seems to be remarkably simple: He wants to avoid a humiliating bankruptcy.

In other words, a ceasefire plays right into Russia's hands and achieve's nothing except a pause before a renewed Russian attack. Ditto amy "peace" agreement. It just allows an interlude before the next Russian offensive.

The only thing that will bring this war to an end is the collapse and disintegration of Russia and the seperation of Muscovy from it's colonial empire, something that's 60 years overdue.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vla...d-trump-moscow-ukraine-gdp-finance-war-banks/

I agree that Putin is after sanction relief.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ll74]

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I don't think they can add Ukraine to NATO without US involvement.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I don't think they can add Ukraine to NATO without US involvement.

LOL. If they kicked the US out they could....I can't see that quite yet tho

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I don't think they can add Ukraine to NATO without US involvement.

NATO requires unanimous consent of existing members for a new member to join. I'm not sure what the mechanism is for a member to leave or be "kicked" out? Just saying you are may be all that is needed?

 

[ChloeTzang]

LOL. I guess the ceasefire is off the table then.....

 

[Politruk]

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The only thing that will bring this war to an end is the collapse and disintegration of Russia and the seperation of Muscovy from it's colonial empire, something that's 60 years overdue.

There are not any secession movements, that I've heard of, for an independent Novgorod or whatever.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Reality is sinking in......“You have to understand, [Putin] had no intention, in my opinion, of settling this war,” he (Trump) said. “I think he wanted the whole thing.”

Says ‘Can’t Guarantee’ Deal to End War in Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47898

 

[ChloeTzang]

There are not any secession movements, that I've heard of, for an independent Novgorod or whatever.

Look east to all of Siberia and the Caucasus. Russia is one of the world's three remaining colonial empires - the other two are China and Indoneasia.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine to maintain large army regardless of how war ends — Zelenskyy​

Another show-stopper for Putin.

To ensure its security, Ukraine will have to maintain a large military even after the current war with Russia ends, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Feb. 26. According to the president, this is the only certain way to guarantee the nation’s sovereignty. “Regardless of what happens, we do not trust the Russians' claim that they seek peace,” said Zelenskyy. “We believe in our army, which will be one of the main security guarantees. Therefore, in any case, I will maintain the maximum number of troops needed for Ukraine to defend its interests.”

According to Zelenskyy’s previous assessments, it would take 100,000 peacekeepers to deter Moscow from resuming hostilities in the future. This is in addition to a million-strong armed forces fully equipped and trained with modern weapons and firepower. Putin wants to reduce the SZU to 50,000 so he can walk in for Round Three. No compromises there because this is another thing Ukraine won't back down on.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrain...dless-of-how-war-ends-zelenskyy-50493456.html

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine Hits Russian Oil Refineries, Air Defenses in Mass Drone Air Raids​

Ukraine on Wednesday launched mass kamikaze drone attacks at oil refineries, port facilities, and air defense installations in the occupied Crimea Peninsula and inside the Russian mainland, scoring hits and setting fires at several locations. Low-flying aircraft waves crossing the Black Sea in groups of five to ten appeared to focus on Russia’s western Black Sea shore and Krasnodar region. Seaport infrastructure near the Kerch Strait port of Temryuk, an oil refinery and storage tanks adjacent to the Russian seaside city of Anapa, and a major fuel production and storage site near the town of Tuapse were hit. Both oil refineries are owned and operated by Rosneft, a state-run giant Russian energy conglomerate. Explosions possibly linked to Ukrainian strike aircraft were reported in the occupied Crimea peninsula near Sevastopol, and inland near the military airfields Saki and Krasnohvardiiske.

A surge of NATO reconnaissance sorties monitoring Crimea and the Black Sea preceded the strikes by Kyiv. Heavy – possibly the most concentrated to date – NATO air surveillance patrols preceded the long-range drone swarms, but there is no confirmation of coordination with the Ukrainian strike.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47894

 

[icanhelp1]

Ukraine to maintain large army regardless of how war ends — Zelenskyy​

Another show-stopper for Putin.

To ensure its security, Ukraine will have to maintain a large military even after the current war with Russia ends, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Feb. 26. According to the president, this is the only certain way to guarantee the nation’s sovereignty. “Regardless of what happens, we do not trust the Russians' claim that they seek peace,” said Zelenskyy. “We believe in our army, which will be one of the main security guarantees. Therefore, in any case, I will maintain the maximum number of troops needed for Ukraine to defend its interests.”

According to Zelenskyy’s previous assessments, it would take 100,000 peacekeepers to deter Moscow from resuming hostilities in the future. This is in addition to a million-strong armed forces fully equipped and trained with modern weapons and firepower. Putin wants to reduce the SZU to 50,000 so he can walk in for Round Three. No compromises there because this is another thing Ukraine won't back down on.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrain...dless-of-how-war-ends-zelenskyy-50493456.html

The way things appear at this stage of the game I don't believe a peace agreement is anywhere near a viable option. I think we'll get to see just how buddy buddy Trump is with Putin. I believe if Putin plays the hard game Trump will treat Putin like he treated Iran. Kicking the US out of NATO is ridiculous on it's face. Forcing Ukraine to disarm without a large standing army from the EU won't fly. I also believe that if Putin pearl harbors the negotiations Trump will agree to supply weapons to Ukraine as fast as they can use them. Germany is finally pulling their heads out of their ass. Germany calling for an EU alliance shunning out the US is political propaganda. Germany is at the center of Trump's disdain for NATO. IMHO

 

[ChloeTzang]

And here's another little snippet on the frontline situation the Russians face. I believe this was from a Russian Telegram channel - hard to figure out, but more evidence that the ZSU is slowly whittling away at the Russians and pushing them back in small increments.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The way things appear at this stage of the game I don't believe a peace agreement is anywhere near a viable option. I think we'll get to see just how buddy buddy Trump is with Putin. I believe if Putin plays the hard game Trump will treat Putin like he treated Iran. Kicking the US out of NATO is ridiculous on it's face. Forcing Ukraine to disarm without a large standing army from the EU won't fly. I also believe that if Putin pearl harbors the negotiations Trump will agree to supply weapons to Ukraine as fast as they can use them. Germany is finally pulling their heads out of their ass. Germany calling for an EU alliance shunning out the US is political propaganda. Germany is at the center of Trump's disdain for NATO. IMHO

I agree. Putin and Ukraine are worlds apart - Ukraine won' trust Russia one inch, amd Putin still wants his victory. Best thing for Ukraine is to keep working the Russians over and smashing their infrastructure and logistics while minimizing their own losses, training, organizing and building out their equipment,

 

[Politruk]

Look east to all of Siberia and the Caucasus. Russia is one of the world's three remaining colonial empires - the other two are China and Indoneasia.

What Indonesian territory could be classified as colonial?

 

[ChloeTzang]

What Indonesian territory could be classified as colonial?

Indoneasia is essentially a Javanese colony and the Indoneasian armed forces are Javanese. Sumatra, the Molucca's, Kalimantan and Irian Jaya are all colonies. East Timor USED to be until they became independant.

The Molucca's are Moluccans - Austronesian and Papuan-speaking ethnic groups - they fought a war against Indoneasia back in the 50's, I think it was, which is why you have lots of descendants of Moluccan refugees in the Netherlands. Moluccans provided most of the soldiers in the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL) - no love lost between them and Javanese. Irian Jaya is actually West Papua, and there's a strong Papuan independance movement that has been fighting the Javanese for decades with no external support. Kalimantan is peopled by various tribal groups. Dayak's and Malays are the two biggest ethnic groups.

I spent 2 months in Kalimantan way back when and met some Dayaks and stayed in a Dayak long house with my dad - they're lovely people, but with a long tradition of head-hunting. They do not like the Javanese either, and likely would be happy to collect fresh Javanese heads.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[icanhelp1]

I agree. Putin and Ukraine are worlds apart - Ukraine won' trust Russia one inch, amd Putin still wants his victory. Best thing for Ukraine is to keep working the Russians over and smashing their infrastructure and logistics while minimizing their own losses, training, organizing and building out their equipment,

And then there are sanctions and the oil markets. The US can apply a whole 50 gallon drum of whoop-ass on Russia and the Russian economy and Putin knows it. I do believe Trump wants the European part of NATO to handle Ukraine's security agreements unless Russia escalates to an article 5. Poland, Baltics and Finland are not easy targets for Putin's delusional landgrab especially since Poland has over 10,000 US troops stationed there to include the 3rd ABCT "Bulldog Bde". Right now I'm hoping an economic agreement can still happen. Having American businesses on the ground is a huge buffer. We should tell Putin NATO may just release the dogs and let Finland and Poland kick Russias ass. If it weren't for Nukes Russia would be a pile pf blown up scrap metal.

 

[icanhelp1]

Indoneasia is essentially a Javanese colony and the Indoneasian armed forces are Javanese. Sumatra, the Molucca's, Kalimantan and Irian Jaya are all colonies. East Timor USED to be until they became independant.

The Molucca's are Moluccans - Austronesian and Papuan-speaking ethnic groups - they fought a war against Indoneasia back in the 50's, I think it was, which is why you have lots of descendants of Moluccan refugees in the Netherlands. Moluccans provided most of the soldiers in the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL) - no love lost between them and Javanese. Irian Jaya is actually West Papua, and there's a strong Papuan independance movement that has been fighting the Javanese for decades with no external support. Kalimantan is peopled by various tribal groups. Dayak's and Malays are the two biggest ethnic groups.

I spent 2 months in Kalimantan way back when and met some Dayaks and stayed in a Dayak long house with my dad - they're lovely people, but with a long tradition of head-hunting. They do not like the Javanese either, and likely would be happy to collect fresh Javanese heads.

Take it easy on Politruk, you're embarrassing the crap out of him.

 

[Lazaran]

Let's just say that's past history and the present is more important than bickering about what's passed. You know you and I disagree on Biden, but I will say, whatever his faults, and they were many, the Biden Administration in general supported Ukraine, except where it didn't suit them. Biden's done, gone and not even being talked about. Let's just put the old clown aside.

What's more important right now is what the current Trump Administration is doing or not doing.

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang wants a free pass AFTER THEY VOTED FOR President Musk (and DonOld), who: betrayed Ukraine; alienated out allies; cozied up to Putin, and threatened to engage in imperialism (not to mention the crimes they committed / are committing domestically)???



Nah.



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[jomar]

The way things appear at this stage of the game I don't believe a peace agreement is anywhere near a viable option. I think we'll get to see just how buddy buddy Trump is with Putin. I believe if Putin plays the hard game Trump will treat Putin like he treated Iran. Kicking the US out of NATO is ridiculous on it's face. Forcing Ukraine to disarm without a large standing army from the EU won't fly. I also believe that if Putin pearl harbors the negotiations Trump will agree to supply weapons to Ukraine as fast as they can use them. Germany is finally pulling their heads out of their ass. Germany calling for an EU alliance shunning out the US is political propaganda. Germany is at the center of Trump's disdain for NATO. IMHO

I dunno. trump has been given much oligarch money he’s beholden. And no doubt Putin is dangling a Moscow Square trump hotel for 2030. My read is trump totally supports Putin as evidenced by his 180 from normal fucking US positions going back to fucking George Washington.

 

[Politruk]

Take it easy on Politruk, you're embarrassing the crap out of him.

Not at all, I appreciate learning this stuff.