Democrats: Where are the Big Ideas?

[UltraChad]

That could work too. That's what I mean by "big ideas." Left-progressives could take over the Dems the way the populist-nationalists of the Tea Party took over the GOP.

They had their opportunity for some time with the Democrats, and while it sold well it also had a high burnout factor and never delivered on shit.

The progressives are going to have to make some major shifts away from some of their "progressive" ideology...namely the anti-Americanism of it. Toning down the overt misandry and racism towards white and white enough folks wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Politruk]

The progressives are going to have to make some major shifts away from some of their "progressive" ideology...namely the anti-Americanism of it. Toning down the overt misandry and racism towards white and white enough folks wouldn't hurt either.

There isn't any of that in it now. That's just your hallucinations.

 

[UltraChad]

There isn't any of that in it now. That's just your hallucinations.

That hallucination cost Democrats a lot of white voters and male voters across every racial demographic ........the attempt to try and shame white men into voting for Kamala blew the fuck up in their faces, it cost them an election that should have been an easy no brainer slam dunk that was the Democrats to lose.

That hallucination EFFECTIVELY undid 8+ BILLION just in presidential campaigns and 9 years of demonizing Orange Adolf.

But stay in denial.....MAGA appreciates the support.

 

[Politruk]

That hallucination cost Democrats a lot of white voters and male voters across every racial demographic

No swing voters voted for Trump because they perceived Harris as anti-white or anti-male. And Harris does not reflect on the left-progressives -- she is not one. She's no further left than Clinton, Obama or Biden.

 

[UltraChad]

No swing voters voted for Trump because they perceived Harris as anti-white or anti-male.

I'm sure men and white folks really love the woke shaming, guilt trips and smug condescension.

 

[Politruk]

DENIAL SET TO MAXIMUM!!!

I'm sure men and white folks really love the feminism and woke shaming, guilt trips and smug condescension.

None of that has anything to do with left-progressives.

 

[UltraChad]

None of that has anything to do with left-progressives.

LOL then why do they do it all the fucking time??

 

[Politruk]

LOL then why do they do it all the fucking time??

They don't. You're thinking of somebody else -- and misjudging even them.

 

[UltraChad]

They don't. You're thinking of somebody else -- and misjudging even them.

They do, it's all they do, they haven't shut the fuck up about it for 10 years now.

And the results are in!!! White people and men are nope'ing the fuck out on democrats.....NO SHIT.....who could have seen that coming?? LOL

 

[Politruk]

They do, it's all they do, they haven't shut the fuck up about it for 10 years now.

They went so woke they're driving white people and men of every racial demographic away in droves to the extent the Democrats lost to the most hated man on the planet.

All lies.

 

[UltraChad]

All lies.

Total denial about why the Democrats lost with men and whites so badly.

 

[Politruk]

Total denial about why the Democrats lost with men and whites so badly.

They lose those votes every election.

 

[UltraChad]

They lose those votes every election.

Have you ever stopped and asked yourself WHY?

 

[Politruk]

Have you ever stopped and asked yourself WHY?

They've been getting gradually larger shares of the white male vote since the 1960s but still don't get a majority -- it's a matter of generational culture. Sexism and racism are slowly dying.

 

[waratah]

My thoughts as a generally centre right wing person *

Democrats lost touch with miners, truck drivers, mill workers, grocery shelf stackers etc. Find your roots and the sensible centre/centre left will return to the fold. Be stable, calm, law abiding, communicate well and regain your roots.

* I dislike simplistic one dimensional political spectrums, there are atleast 2 dimensions, maybe 3 but I'll run with it for now.

 

[Politruk]

My thoughts as a generally centre right wing person *

Democrats lost touch with miners, truck drivers, mill workers, grocery shelf stackers etc. Find your roots and the sensible centre/centre left will return to the fold. Be stable, calm, law abiding, communicate well and regain your roots.

* I dislike simplistic one dimensional political spectrums, there are atleast 2 dimensions, maybe 3 but I'll run with it for now.

Well, there's the Nolan chart.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Nolan-chart.svg/165px-Nolan-chart.svg.png
And the Pournelle chart.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif/230px-Pournelle_chart_color.gif

And the Political Compass.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Uk2015.png/165px-Uk2015.png

But the 1D political spectrum goes like this:

Anarchism — Communism — Socialism — Social Liberalism — Centrism — Classical Liberalism — Conservatism — Monarchism — Fascism

 

[UltraChad]

But the 1D political spectrum goes like this:

Anarchism — Communism — Socialism — Social Liberalism — Centrism — Classical Liberalism — Conservatism — Monarchism — Fascism

Social liberalism is a lie, it's just socialism until the civil rights become inconvenient.

It's just socialism with SOME basic human rights, there is nothing liberal about it.

 

[icanhelp1]

That hallucination cost Democrats a lot of white voters and male voters across every racial demographic ........the attempt to try and shame white men into voting for Kamala blew the fuck up in their faces, it cost them an election that should have been an easy no brainer slam dunk that was the Democrats to lose.

That hallucination EFFECTIVELY undid 8+ BILLION just in presidential campaigns and 9 years of demonizing Orange Adolf.

But stay in denial.....MAGA appreciates the support.

Obama also tried to shame black men to vote for KAM, that didn't go over either.

 

[icanhelp1]

Social liberalism is a lie, it's just socialism until the civil rights become inconvenient.

It's just socialism with SOME basic human rights, there is nothing liberal about it.

Are there any true liberals left?

 

[UltraChad]

Obama also tried to shame black men to vote for KAM, that didn't go over either.

Yup, even Biden did it.....

"If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black"​

That was when the mask of woke bigotry really started to slip into undeniably overt race baiting scumbag territory.

 

[UltraChad]

Are there any true liberals left?

For sure, just not in the DNC. They've all been run out. Many of them are now MAGA's.

And that's not by some purist perspective or measure but one of basic liberal values.....Free speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion, rule of law, private property etc.

All "RACIST, COLONIALIST, FAR REICH, CHRISTIAN FASCIST, WHITE NATIONALISM!!!.......HITLER!!! ORANGE HITLER BAD REEEEEEEE!!!!" things Democrats detest and despise.

 

[LLCox]

The country will be fine as long as the executive and legislative branches remain devided.

 

[icanhelp1]

For sure, just not in the DNC. They've all been run out. Many of them are now MAGA's.

And that's not by some purist perspective or measure but one of basic liberal values.....Free speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion, rule of law, private property etc.

All the things Democrats detest and despise.

I should have narrowed the scope to DC politicians. I personally know many run of the mill liberals, some behave more like MAGA than MAGA's.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Healthcare is a key issue the Dems can easily use. Propose to copy the healthcare system from any other developed country. Impact: cut per-capita healthcare cost in half (saving the government a trillion dollars annually), save US businesses bigly bucks, cover everyone, eliminate medical-cost induced bankruptcies, and get better care results.

The Republican Party has no answer, and the people are overwhelmingly angry about our current moronic system.

 

[UltraChad]

Healthcare is a key issue the Dems can easily use. Propose to copy the healthcare system from any other developed country.

Yea but they've lied about it SO MANY FUCKIN TIMES already nobody will believe them unless they start doing it.

NY or CA is going to have to actually do it if Democrats want to sell their leadership on that before the memory of electing Obama for that and getting a Pfizer-rehashed and United HC butchered version of Romneycare instead. One of the SLIMIEST republicans to ever exist actually delivered better to his state than what Obama and the Democrats delivered to America. LOL

The Republican Party has no answer, and the people are overwhelmingly angry about our current moronic system.

Sure we do, step 1) get rid of the current moronic system
Democrats and like 8 republicans go REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE PFEIZER C SUITE??? and so nothing happens.

Step 2) if we ever got step 1, would be to let the states do what they want, it's a free country. No reason California can't have UHC.....and a 50% state income tax to pay for it. Democrats are just too pussy to do it because they know it would fucking AHNIHHALTE their state.