Loving Wives, Tough Group!

[hesse1]

I have posted in groups, lesbians, and BDSM with some decent success. Unfortunately, the most extended series I posted to Loving Wives got hammered! At the time, I thought, since these are my mostly true stories and I am a loving wife, it seemed a logical place to post. Then I removed a few stories and placed them elsewhere without significant changes, and they all did so much better.

So what are they looking for in their stories?

PS. I will follow anyone who follows me. I want to make new Author friends!

 

[grey228]

Loving Wives is an ironic topic. That category is for divorced, bitter old men who suffered from being cheated on and taken to family court (child support, etc.).

Revenge and violence usually accompany that category. If you don't like the BTB (beat that bitch) genre, it's likely not for you.

 

[WCSGarland]

I have posted in groups, lesbians, and BDSM with some decent success. Unfortunately, the most extended series I posted to Loving Wives got hammered! At the time, I thought, since these are my mostly true stories and I am a loving wife, it seemed a logical place to post. Then I removed a few stories and placed them elsewhere without significant changes, and they all did so much better.

So what are they looking for in their stories?

PS. I will follow anyone who follows me. I want to make new Author friends!

I don't get it. Most of them appear to be around 4 rating. How is that hammered?

 

[Cagivagurl]

I have posted in groups, lesbians, and BDSM with some decent success. Unfortunately, the most extended series I posted to Loving Wives got hammered! At the time, I thought, since these are my mostly true stories and I am a loving wife, it seemed a logical place to post. Then I removed a few stories and placed them elsewhere without significant changes, and they all did so much better.

So what are they looking for in their stories?

PS. I will follow anyone who follows me. I want to make new Author friends!

Forget about the damn scores...
Write what you like and want to write.
Forget the noise...
You can't please everybody... Trying to please the haters will only make you lose your essence...
You have to be true to the person you are...
Big deal, you write stuff that a small group of readers dislike... So fucking what!!!!
Write it, be proud of it...

Having posted a couple of stories in LW, I'm well familiar with low scores... If anything, it motivates me...

Empowerment comes in many forms.

Cagivagurl

 

[jaF0]

I don't get it. Most of them appear to be around 4 rating. How is that hammered?

There are people who feel anything less than 4.9 is a wasted effort.

 

[hesse1]

There are people who feel anything less than 4.9 is a wasted effort.

I hear you, but there were so many negative comments for so long that it was a bit depressing. Plus, I feel like 4 is the minimum standard, and people skip reading anything less. I am not the writer in the family; my husband is, so these are really laborious for me. I write them so people can have a little fun after a long, hard day. I sense that low scores keep my stories from doing that. Plus, there were one or two guys who attacked me non-stop early on and ripped everything I posted. I was just starting to try and write up some of my adventures, so I wasn't great, but getting attacked like that was discouraging. Anyway, thanks for responding!

 

[lovecraft68]

I have posted in groups, lesbians, and BDSM with some decent success. Unfortunately, the most extended series I posted to Loving Wives got hammered! At the time, I thought, since these are my mostly true stories and I am a loving wife, it seemed a logical place to post. Then I removed a few stories and placed them elsewhere without significant changes, and they all did so much better.

So what are they looking for in their stories?

PS. I will follow anyone who follows me. I want to make new Author friends!

A woman writing in LW, especially one who has had some hotwife adventures in real life, is a lightning rod for hate among the most vocal faction over there. If you haven't already, you will get threats of sexual assault and violence. I always say a group of hyenas shouldn't decide what content goes in a category, that's for the site to decide, and to not let them drive readers off, but in your case, I'd suggest putting everything in fetish, better crowd, less hate, cold male insecurity, and more actual appreciation and being actual men over there.

As for what they want? Violent revenge which has nothing to do with erotica.

If this follows the usual pattern, a couple of posters are going to come here vehemently defending the category, they do it all the time despite this being another in an endless series of threads stating otherwise. You've seen the comments and read the room there, you know what the truth is. I think they do to, and just don't want to admit it and act like the good factions-and there are great readers and writers there-are the loudest voice there, and to quote a popular term these days, that is disinformation. Like in most instances these days, the hateful extreme have the loudest and strongest presence

 

[hesse1]

Forget about the damn scores...
Write what you like and want to write.
Forget the noise...
You can't please everybody... Trying to please the haters will only make you lose your essence...
You have to be true to the person you are...
Big deal, you write stuff that a small group of readers dislike... So fucking what!!!!
Write it, be proud of it...

Having posted a couple of stories in LW, I'm well familiar with low scores... If anything, it motivates me...

Empowerment comes in many forms.

Cagivagurl

Such an inspiring response! Thank you! I need you to give me a pep talk before I post my next story to get a little of your positive JUJU. The truth is I am not a tenth of the writer you are, and that is okay and honest. I can live with that because you are amazing! You are so beautifully descriptive that when I read yours, I forget I'm reading erotica until things heat up. My stories, like my adventures that spawned them, are pretty much straight porn, and that's okay. You need to be on store shelves and read on the beach with tea and perhaps a bullet. My writing is meant to be read by a guy looking for a five-minute toss-off and, hopefully, a woman needing a quick image of debauch to fill a short Hitachi window. I am okay with being what I am, and only want to get people off.

PS. I read Kidnapped tonight. If there is a better story on Lit than that, I don't know it. A true work of art!

 

[hesse1]

A woman writing in LW, especially one who has had some hotwife adventures in real life, is a lightning rod for hate among the most vocal faction over there. If you haven't already, you will get threats of sexual assault and violence. I always say a group of hyenas shouldn't decide what content goes in a category, that's for the site to decide, and to not let them drive readers off, but in your case, I'd suggest putting everything in fetish, better crowd, less hate, cold male insecurity, and more actual appreciation and being actual men over there.

As for what they want? Violent revenge which has nothing to do with erotica.

If this follows the usual pattern, a couple of posters are going to come here vehemently defending the category, they do it all the time despite this being another in an endless series of threads stating otherwise. You've seen the comments and read the room there, you know what the truth is. I think they do to, and just don't want to admit it and act like the good factions-and there are great readers and writers there-are the loudest voice there, and to quote a popular term these days, that is disinformation. Like in most instances these days, the hateful extreme have the loudest and strongest presence

My personal adventures have been pretty extreme, and I am aware of that. I never intended to share any of this with anyone, but my agreement with my husband was that I always bring some sort of evidence of my activities, be it a verbal story, pictures, or videos. I punched away at the keyboard on a few torturous occasions and gave him a written story. He raved about them and encouraged me to post them here. When I started posting, my only thought was how much fun it would be to get some man or woman to forget their rough day for a minute and have some quick pleasure thinking of my debauch. it never occurred to me that people would attack so viciously for trying to bring some joy. I'm okay. Thanks for caring enough to write!

 

[hesse1]

Loving Wives is an ironic topic. That category is for divorced, bitter old men who suffered from being cheated on and taken to family court (child support, etc.).

Revenge and violence usually accompany that category. If you don't like the BTB (beat that bitch) genre, it's likely not for you.

That was just funny, every word! Thank you for writing! 1/2 million people have read that series, and I have neither the adventures to draw from, nor the ability to write another series. Even writing my bumbling short stories takes me weeks.

 

[hesse1]

Loving Wives is an ironic topic. That category is for divorced, bitter old men who suffered from being cheated on and taken to family court (child support, etc.).

Revenge and violence usually accompany that category. If you don't like the BTB (beat that bitch) genre, it's likely not for you.

That was just funny, every word! Thank you for writing! 1/2 million people have read that series, and I have neither the adventures to draw from nor the ability to write another series. Even writing my bumbling short stories takes me weeks. That was almost the very first stuff I put up on Lit. I just wish two things, one that I had put accurate descriptions and put them in a different category. My logic was that I am a loving wife, and these are my adventures. Oh well! Thank you again!

 

[lovecraft68]

My personal adventures have been pretty extreme, and I am aware of that. I never intended to share any of this with anyone, but my agreement with my husband was that I always bring some sort of evidence of my activities, be it a verbal story, pictures, or videos. I punched away at the keyboard on a few torturous occasions and gave him a written story. He raved about them and encouraged me to post them here. When I started posting, my only thought was how much fun it would be to get some man or woman to forget their rough day for a minute and have some quick pleasure thinking of my debauch. it never occurred to me that people would attack so viciously for trying to bring some joy. I'm okay. Thanks for caring enough to write!

I think over there they don't seem to care about fantasy escapism, but more to wallow masochistically. Scorned men who now hate the entire female gender over one experience, and gather to spew.

The category description on the story search for LW is-Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more.

The and more allows for other instances of marital stories which includes hotwife and cuck. The bitter berries that grow on an endless vine there don't like this and are trying to bully those authors away because they think they control the content. LW has always been somewhat volatile, but the last few years-coinciding with the rise of the incel movement-is just getting worse and making it difficult for people who write in certain genres there.

Its like when a good neighborhood gets a bad element which keeps expanding and driving out good folks. Site could fix it, but they won't.

 

[jaF0]

Society as a whole is turning less tolerant, more hateful, revengeful, violent and vindictive.

I'm glad I'll be dead soon. I don't want to see this future.

 

[hesse1]

I think over there they don't seem to care about fantasy escapism, but more to wallow masochistically. Scorned men who now hate the entire female gender over one experience, and gather to spew.

The category description on the story search for LW is-Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more.

The and more allows for other instances of marital stories which includes hotwife and cuck. The bitter berries that grow on an endless vine there don't like this and are trying to bully those authors away because they think they control the content. LW has always been somewhat volatile, but the last few years-coinciding with the rise of the incel movement-is just getting worse and making it difficult for people who write in certain genres there.

Its like when a good neighborhood gets a bad element which keeps expanding and driving out good folks. Site could fix it, but they won't.

Oh my gosh, I just read your Sisters in Sin(wonderful!), and right before that, I read Cagivagurl's writing, and you both are so amazing! I realize that I am just writing boy and girl smut, and I am okay with that. It takes me years to write my memories and it's painful. I have no ambition of writing like you two. Your works are made for a long evening of focused reading; mine are meant for five minutes of reading and another five for cleanup!

 

[hesse1]

Society as a whole is turning less tolerant, more hateful, revengeful, violent and vindictive.

I'm glad I'll be dead soon. I don't want to see this future.

Ouch! I can't change the world, but it would make me very happy if you masturbated to one of my stories.

 

[lovecraft68]

Oh my gosh, I just read your Sisters in Sin(wonderful!), and right before that, I read Cagivagurl's writing, and you both are so amazing! I realize that I am just writing boy and girl smut, and I am okay with that. It takes me years to write my memories and it's painful. I have no ambition of writing like you two. Your works are made for a long evening of focused reading; mine are meant for five minutes of reading and another five for cleanup!

Thank you, at least someone read that story.

Some advice for moving forward here. Don't compare yourself to other writers, everyone here is different in style and motivation. This goes for the readership as well. This site has plenty for everyone in every way. There are many here who enjoy a quick and dirty read just as a lot of folks like some depth with their smut.

Long as you're having fun that's what counts. If you do feel you can improve, then the best way to do that is to keep writing and it happens organically. For example, the story you complimented me on? If I go back to it all I'll see is mistakes and how I could have done better because it was published 10+ years ago, and if I were to rewrite it today, I feel it would be much better.

But that's a waste of time and energy. Never backwards, always forwards.

 

[hesse1]

Thank you, at least someone read that story.

Some advice for moving forward here. Don't compare yourself to other writers, everyone here is different in style and motivation. This goes for the readership as well. This site has plenty for everyone in every way. There are many here who enjoy a quick and dirty read just as a lot of folks like some depth with their smut.

Long as you're having fun that's what counts. If you do feel you can improve, then the best way to do that is to keep writing and it happens organically. For example, the story you complimented me on? If I go back to it all I'll see is mistakes and how I could have done better because it was published 10+ years ago, and if I were to rewrite it today, I feel it would be much better.

But that's a waste of time and energy. Never backwards, always forwards.

thank you!

 

[lovecraft68]

Society as a whole is turning less tolerant, more hateful, revengeful, violent and vindictive.

I'm glad I'll be dead soon. I don't want to see this future.

My father says this all the time. "We're 79 and me and your mother are glad were not going to be here for what's coming." Of course, they are Pentecostal and buy into Revelation.

But I won't lie, I look at my grandkids and wonder what the hell they're in store for when they hit adulthood. Good chance they never see it because we'll be a smoking crater by then.

Well, that's enough cheeriness for the day.

 

[NoTalentHack]

My father says this all the time. "We're 79 and me and your mother are glad were not going to be here for what's coming." Of course, they are Pentecostal and buy into Revelation.

But I won't lie, I look at my grandkids and wonder what the hell they're in store for when they hit adulthood. Good chance they never see it because we'll be a smoking crater by then.

Well, that's enough cheeriness for the day.

One of those places you and I agree on. Shit's getting scarier out there every day, and I worry for my kids and what their future looks like.

...

Don't worry, my usual "vehement defense" is coming. I was sick yesterday; gimme a break.

 

[lovecraft68]

One of those places you and I agree on. Shit's getting scarier out there every day, and I worry for my kids and what their future looks like.

...

Don't worry, my usual "vehement defense" is coming.

Yeah, jokes aside, its a grim world out there.

Defend away, but the issue has always been your defense is the category as a whole and the still sane factions that cane writer and read a decent story, which I always say exist. My opinions are based on the ones that unfortunately have become representative of LW. These threads we keep saying are all the proof I need. But go for it.

Just don't do a laundry list of your resume again, I already told it you it was cute.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I have posted in groups, lesbians, and BDSM with some decent success. Unfortunately, the most extended series I posted to Loving Wives got hammered! At the time, I thought, since these are my mostly true stories and I am a loving wife, it seemed a logical place to post. Then I removed a few stories and placed them elsewhere without significant changes, and they all did so much better.

So what are they looking for in their stories?

PS. I will follow anyone who follows me. I want to make new Author friends!

First off, I'm sorry you had that experience. I agree that people should not be doing that; certain ardent haters of LW always seem surprised that I say that, even though I've said it before, but it's true. People should not lash out like that, regardless of their personal history.

But that's really what it comes down to: their personal history. Most of the guys that are like that had some truly horrendous shit happen in their lives to spark it. Well, at least they think they did; some of them are almost certainly in denial of their role in their divorces, etc. And, as LC said, you're going to be a lightning rod for that because you're a woman writing about your actual hotwife experiences. Given that your stuff is fairly in line with the original intent of the category, before the cruel cuckolding stuff made its way out of Fetish, that especially sucks; I'd love to see more of the "traditional" LW stuff do well in the category. I'm a big believer in diversity of experience strengthening a space.

Now, as to answer your question, I'm going to do the thing LC hates and link my essay, Loving Loving Wives, that tracks the evolution of the category and why it is the way it is now, along with other topics related to writing in it. The short answer is that it's one of the few categories on Lit that never really had a strong focus, and as the years have gone by, the readers there have fragmented into multiple camps. Here's the longer answer, quoted from the essay, in case you don't want to read the whole thing:

Kinks are transgressive. That's what makes them kinks; if everyone liked them, they wouldn't be kinks. They tickle the part of our brain that says, "this is extra naughty, and you shouldn't like it, but you do." Anal sex has stopped being seen as really transgressive by almost anyone under about 50 years old that's likely to be on Literotica; they might not like it, but it's just a thing.

Back when the site was founded, anal sex culturally occupied roughly the same spot that oral sex did for the generation before it: your girlfriend or boyfriend might balk at doing it, but they wouldn't think you were an awful pervert just for asking. These days, oral sex is pretty much mandatory, and anal is a thing that's not particularly transgressive. Now, pegging and analingus occupy that same liminal space between transgressive and accepted that "regular" anal sex did in the late 90s and early 2000s.

In Interracial, the transition to mostly cuckolding stories has largely been embraced, but that's partially because the BBC type of story--the one where a sexually dominant black man comes in and "claims" a white wife or girlfriend--was always a part of that category's DNA. And because people wanting to read "sweet" interracial stories can basically go anywhere reading materials exist--since interracial romances are thankfully no longer taboo to any but the most assbackwards of people--it leaves a void to be filled in the Interracial category.

Loving Wives never had that kind of transition. Instead, it just became more crowded and, eventually, contentious. In the early days of the site, softer swinging and sharing stories, those with enthusiastic participation by both husband and wife, were the norm. "Cheating" stories--stories where the wife was unfaithful without the husband's approval--existed, but they stayed in the minority, and they often transitioned into a swapping or sharing structure, to make things "fair" between the couple. "Harmless" infidelity, the kind where everyone was eventually on board, was the order of the day.

One of the most compelling things, to me, about Loving Wives is how much it exists as a conversation with itself. Most of the "kink" sections of the site simply became "more" of what they were before. "Oh, anal sex isn't cutting it? How about pegging?" "BBC not doing it for you? How about a Black New World Order story, where a conspiracy exists to wipe out white men?" And, no, I'm not making that last one up. Go do a search for the "bnwo" tag.

In Loving Wives, however, the answer to, "Oh, so willingly sharing your wife isn't doing it for you anymore? How about being forced to share her?" was, at least in part, "No."

The factions are easy to name--BTB (Burn the Bastard), RAAC (Reconciliation At Any Cost), swinging, sharing, stag/vixen, pure cuck, etc.--but they tend to be very porous in terms of "membership." Depending on the story, I've seen the hardest of the hardcore BTB guys go, "Hey, wait, these two should reconcile," and the cuckiest of the cuck crowd say, "Dude, he needs to leave." And this isn't just on my stories, but other folks, too.

In essence, anyone writing for scores in there is trying to hit a target that's not only moving but shrinking and growing at random, too, and occasionally disappearing into fifth dimensional space. That's part of what I like about it, honestly; I write what I want (and that's been everything from a sympathetic examination of cuckold psychology up to a full-on "rocks fall, everyone dies" BTB), and I get the scores I get.

In a way, that's very freeing, but I started in LW, so I knew that was coming. No matter what, the scores were going to be low compared to the rest of the site, and the comments would run the gamut, sometimes on the exact same story. I've been called a cuck on that "rocks fall, everyone dies" BTB and a raving misogynist on the story where the couple reconciles after they both admit they made mistakes that led to the wife's infidelity. It's the wild west in there, which can be fun for some folks and not so fun for others.

Ultimately, it's a free erotica site. It's the perfect place for amateur writers to put down whatever story they want (within certain limitations), and the site owners give them the choice of putting it in whatever category they want. There are sections of the site where you'll get a lot less flak, but you'll also get a lot fewer eyeballs on average. Whether that tradeoff is worth it to you is your call.

 

[yowser]

In essence, anyone writing for scores in there is trying to hit a target that's not only moving but shrinking and growing at random, too, and occasionally disappearing into fifth dimensional space.

Sounds like an oncologist is needed.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Loving Wives is an ironic topic. That category is for divorced, bitter old men who suffered from being cheated on and taken to family court (child support, etc.).

Revenge and violence usually accompany that category. If you don't like the BTB (beat that bitch) genre, it's likely not for you.

We have no idea if they are mostly divorced men, but I suspect that there are other types there too with different issues. It's safe to say that cheating women bug the hell out of them, even if many have no actual experience with that. For both authors and readers, fantasy plays a big role on Lit, and that can go in all kinds of directions.

Revenge does seem to be the preferred way to handle this for many LW readers. Reconciliation, which one might think is a good thing, doesn't fly with them at all, Anyway, there is no category called "Loving spouses" (i.e., cheating men too). I'll leave it to someone else to speculate about that.

 

[jaF0]

My reply to that question would have to go on the PB.

 

[PapaRomantic]

My reply to that question would have to go on the PB.

Peanut butter?