Never say "the left" when you mean "the Democrats"

[Politruk]

Doesn't mean they aren't doing exactly that and pushing for more all the time.

Actually it does. The Democrats have no hidden agenda. There aren't any secret Communists in America, there never were, that's 1950s Red Scare nonsense. Recall that McCarthy never was able to actually name a single crypto-Communist.

 

[UltraChad]

No, you got rekt. You provided assertions where I provided demonstrations -- you lose.

Literal projection.

Dude your bullshit wiki wasn't demonstration and it loses in the credibility department to the top universities, reference materials and the literal philosophers who came up with the ideas.

Everyone else isn't wrong, you are.

 

[Politruk]

Literal projection.

Dude your bullshit wiki wasn't demonstration

RationalWiki is always better demonstration than any other source but Wikipedia.

and it loses in the credibility department to the top universities, reference materials and the literal philosophers who came up with the ideas.

Everyone else isn't wrong, you are.

By that token, regarding transgenderism, the psychologists aren't wrong, you are.

What makes Republicans not liberals is that they're not Team Enlightenment, they're Team Romanticism.

 

[UltraChad]

RationalWiki is always better demonstration than any other source but Wikipedia.

Both are the public toilet of references.

By that token, regarding transgenderism, the psychologists aren't wrong, you are.

Nope, because there was no recent changes to the definition of liberalism. Certainly none out of pure political correctness as there was with the DSM.

What makes Republicans not liberals is that they're not Team Enlightenment, they're Team Romanticism.

Backwards as ever, not that it would matter because "team enlightenment" is not what defines liberalism.

Literally NO REFERENCE ANYWHERE defines liberalism as "team enlightenment".

 

[Politruk]

Certainly none out of pure political correctness as there was with the DSM.

Psychologists as a group have no commitment to either party.

Backwards as ever, not that it would matter because "team enlightenment" is not what defines liberalism.

Literally NO REFERENCE ANYWHERE defines liberalism as "team enlightenment".

It's Western history -- no enlightenment means no liberalism. Conservatism only exists in reaction to liberalism like romanticism only exists in reaction to enlightenment.

 

[UltraChad]

Psychologists as a group have no commitment to either party.

They're almost entirely all radical leftist and were one of the first to toe that woke line.

It's Western history -- no enlightenment means no liberalism.

On a timeline, sure.

It still doesn't define liberalism. Not even your porta potty wiki of a source tries to define it as such.

Conservatism only exists in reaction to liberalism like romanticism only exists in reaction to enlightenment.

Conservatism means different things in different places. In the USA it exist to conserve it's liberal founding. Protect it from the anti-American progressive lefties over in the DNC.

That also means most of what you say here is a total load of shit.

 

[Politruk]

Both are the public toilet of references.

You have noticed, have you not, that Wikipedia is never actually wrong? Sometimes dull, but never wrong. RationalWiki is less dull and, in my experience, never wrong.

 

[UltraChad]

You have noticed, have you not, that Wikipedia is never actually wrong? Sometimes dull, but never wrong. RationalWiki is less dull and, in my experience, never wrong.

No I've been too busy looking at reputable references.

 

[YDB95]

No I've been too busy looking at reputable references.

No you haven't.

 

[Politruk]

No I've been too busy looking at reputable references.

You never bring them here.

 

[UltraChad]

No you haven't.

LOL must be another commieWIKI fan boy who ignores actual reference materials for confirmation bias.

 

[UltraChad]

You never bring them here.

I've linked them numerous times.

You ignoring them in favor of your confirmation bias doesn't make them go away.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

You’re the left. Own it.

No. The main function of the Democratic Party is to thwart, misdirect and/or otherwise defeat the task of uniting the international working class for social revolution.

The Left Looks Like This.

 

[UltraChad]

No. The main function of the Democratic Party is to thwart, misdirect and/or otherwise defeat the task of uniting the international working class for social revolution.

The Left Looks Like This.

The Democratic Party is a coalition of various leftoids just like that.

Like Politruk has been told, not left enough for your liking doesn't make them not left.

 

[Rightguide]

No party can fairly be called "leftist" unless its political success would pose a real threat to the power of the rich and the corporations.

The Democrats do not meet that test. They give lip-service to labor, but on balance, they are almost as wholly owned by Wall Street as the Republicans.

They report to Oligarchs like the Marxist George Soros who is on the extreme left.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

not left enough for your liking doesn't make them not left

Yet the ongoing proclamation of the pseudo-left AS the left serves pseudo-left interests — by providing much needed cover for its reactionary tendency. It works like this:

I believe the GOP doesn’t represent my interests. So I look for an alternative from the left.

You arrive and censor the Democratic Party for its supposed ‘leftism.’

I assume from your opposition that the Democratic Party is the ‘left’ party I want.

The Democratic Party betrays my interests as the pseudo-left party it is.

Result: I have no representation—only political misrepresentation— in the system.

Both parties are served by denying a genuinely left person a left party.

 

[Politruk]

They report to Oligarchs like the Marxist George Soros who is on the extreme left.

Soros?!

 

[Politruk]

The Democratic Party is a coalition of various leftoids just like that.

Just like the Trotskyists of the Socialist Equality Party? Definitely not.

 

[UltraChad]

Just like the Trotskyists of the Socialist Equality Party? Definitely not.

Whatever....doesn't make the Democrats not leftist.

 

[UltraChad]

Yet the ongoing proclamation of the pseudo-left AS the left serves pseudo-left interests

They all get together to help push left at large.....the kind of left isn't really relevant to the fact that Democrats are leftist.

I believe the GOP doesn’t represent my interests. So I look for an alternative from the left.

You arrive and censor the Democratic Party for its supposed ‘leftism.’

I assume from your opposition that the Democratic Party is the ‘left’ party I want.

The Democratic Party betrays my interests as the pseudo-left party it is.

Result: I have no representation—only political misrepresentation— in the system.

Both parties are served by denying a genuinely left person a left party.

Again, not left enough for your liking doesn't make them pseudo lefties. They're all various kinds of lefties under one umbrella and the reps/senators try to be broadly left to try and cover/please as many different lefties in the coalition as they can. You radical ultra-totalitarian psychopathic communist, can whine about how it's not left enough for your liking so they aren't REAL lefties. But you're just a bat shit extremist.

Same thing happens in the GOP....part of a 2 party system. We also have insane radical right wingers who think the GOP is a milquetoast moderate party and in no way right wing. They sound just like you do about the left....NUTS.

 

[Politruk]

Again, not left enough for your liking doesn't make them pseudo lefties.

Actually, it does. That's how you tell who is a real leftist: Do self-ID'd socialists approve of them, or not?

 

[Politruk]

We also have insane radical right wingers who think the GOP is a milquetoast moderate party and in no way right wing. They sound just like you do about the left....NUTS.

That's you, in case you haven't noticed.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Still Communists.

 

[Politruk]

Still Communists.

Still an idiot.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

They all get together to help push left at large.....the kind of left isn't really relevant to the fact that Democrats are leftist.



Again, not left enough for your liking doesn't make them pseudo lefties. They're all various kinds of lefties under one umbrella and the reps/senators try to be broadly left to try and cover/please as many different lefties in the coalition as they can. You radical ultra-totalitarian psychopathic communist, can whine about how it's not left enough for your liking so they aren't REAL lefties. But you're just a bat shit extremist.

Same thing happens in the GOP....part of a 2 party system. We also have insane radical right wingers who think the GOP is a milquetoast moderate party and in no way right wing. They sound just like you do about the left....NUTS.

What can I say No one told me about this supposed get-together. The SEP certainly doesn’t work with the pseudo-left whether others cede the point or not.

If you reviewed the WSWS.org for the interim between Nov. 5, ‘24 and Jan. 20, ‘25, you’d see that articles criticizing either Trump or Biden are fairly evenly split, although that will change as Trump settles into the role.

I think it fair to say that the SEP likely critiques the Democrats as much [more, actually] than the GOP. The difference between our critiques of the DP, and those of the GOP is that the former are, at least, intelligent. Or so I think.