Trump 47: A Civilizational Fork in the Road?

[Politruk]

Lol. You have it flipped ass about face.

The patrician reactionaries are people like Biden and the Clintons and Pelosi....

The social reformers are the Trump America First team....

You have it flipped ass about face.

 

[grey228]

You are an idiot.

Your ad hominem has been noticed, and you have joined the wonderful population of Blocksville.

If Trump were a Roman, he would be a patrician reactionary like Sulla.

Julius Caesar was a Patrician, yet chose to side with the Populares instead of the Optimates. Perhaps his line of wealth was not enough to allow him that path, yet, I see in GEOTUS the similarities of Caesar.

Now, if history is to repeat itself, I'm left to wonder who would be the future Octavian and the future Tiberius.

 

[Bray123]

There's no doubt who would be Caligula.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Your ad hominem has been noticed, and you have joined the wonderful population of Blocksville.



Julius Caesar was a Patrician, yet chose to side with the Populares instead of the Optimates. Perhaps his line of wealth was not enough to allow him that path, yet, I see in GEOTUS the similarities of Caesar.

Now, if history is to repeat itself, I'm left to wonder who would be the future Octavian and the future Tiberius.

I think that Caesar played the crowds with the bread and circuses schtick. Augustus seems to have learned from him. They both moved more deftly than the Senate. Hell, even Antony had a touch of it.


We have no one of that level. Trump seems closer than the rest, but not to say close.

 

[HisArpy]

^....and ANOTHER one!

For fuck's Sake Harpy!

Shit dude, are you going for some kind of record? That's like 23 now. Don't you ever aspire to be anything more than a sock-puppet troll on this forum?

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[Wat_Tyler]

https://media.tenor.com/NdwKhPP7i7EAAAAM/please-baby.gif

If your fucking alts wouldn't out themselves like that, Things wouldn't be this difficult for you.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘… humanity’s transition from a planetary to an interplanetary species … And that’s tied to the election.’

No question that human evolution must continue.

Bit of a stretch to base this on an event that puts a voracious oligarch in direct control of the lucrative levers of power…

 

[HisArpy]

If your fucking alts wouldn't out themselves like that, Things wouldn't be this difficult for you.

Pesky things. Always popping up from nowhere. Kinda like long lost relatives after you won the lottery.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Pesky things. Always popping up from nowhere. Kinda like long lost relatives after you won the lottery.

Those are the kind of relatives I only like seeing at funerals.



Theirs . . . .

 

[ChloeTzang]

Now, if history is to repeat itself, I'm left to wonder who would be the future Octavian and the future Tiberius.

Good question.

I think Barron is shaping up fast to be Octavian, the heir apparent, but I can;t see an exact similarity. JD Vance will succeed for sure, but in 12 years time Barron will only be around 30 - still a little young for President.

And to get Tiberius, we would need Livia. Hmmmm, I don't think it plays out beyond this - Trump as a combo of the Gracchi and Caesar is good tho.

 

[grey228]

Good question.

I think Barron is shaping up fast to be Octavian, the heir apparent, but I can;t see an exact similarity. JD Vance will succeed for sure, but in 12 years time Barron will only be around 30 - still a little young for President.

And to get Tiberius, we would need Livia. Hmmmm, I don't think it plays out beyond this - Trump as a combo of the Gracchi and Caesar is good tho.

I will honestly admit, I did not expect so many supporters of the God-Emperor Donaldus J Trump on a porn site.

The irony makes me grin like Sheev Palpatine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I will honestly admit, I did not expect so many supporters of the God-Emperor Donaldus J Trump on a porn site.

The irony makes me grin like Sheev Palpatine.

Well, between Rome and Dune, we have a lot to use to compare to as well....

Personally, I didn't expect anyone else here to know who the heck the Gracchi brothers even were. Or the Peasants Revolt of the 13th Century. I am pleasantly surprised. Literotica never ceases to amaze me with the people here and how much everyone knows. The PB is even better. It's so refreshing to be able to abuse and slander intelligent but misguided people and get intelligent responses back. I love it!!!!!!

My experience is I am usually the only one who has even heard of the Gracchi - or almost the only one - my husband knew right away, when I threw it in there after we first met - a big plus for him back then LOL apart from liking Chinese Takeout and applied violence (we met at taekwondo)

I love this site. And this Board. LOL

 

[Rightguide]

Just post three paragraphs.

Again, not difficult...fucking histrionic

You are off the rails. Take a breath

^^^

Eternal wedgie victim.

 

[Rightguide]

Three paragraphs.

Not difficult

I think it's four.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Even that would be a huge misapplication of money and resources, imho.

Hell, humans haven’t come close to perfecting living in near optimal conditions. Let’s try doing that first.

We never do perfect things. Best to just forge ahead. It's not like you have to do one thing at a time.

And we need to do this before those darn Chinese get a head start on us. Russia is out of the running now. It's us and China, and the real space race is on....and Musk and SpaceX have taken us into the lead with a vengeance.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The US will subsidize Musk because he's friends with the big guy

Maybe a little to start with, but economies of scale. Musk is making it way cheaper to get to orbit, and way cheaper to ferry whatever we need to Mars and stockpile it in orbit.

Metal extraction from asteroids and space industry should finance things soon enough, and we should soon be able to leverage space industry to generate all the power we want, making all the wind generators and solar panels and coal fired power stations superfluous.

 

[Rightguide]

Maybe a little to start with, but economies of scale. Musk is making it way cheaper to get to orbit, and way cheaper to ferry whatever we need to Mars and stockpile it in orbit.

Metal extraction from asteroids and space industry should finance things soon enough, and we should soon be able to leverage space industry to generate all the power we want, making all the wind generators and solar panels and coal fired power stations superfluous.

The country owes Musk for saving NASA and showing them how to more for less.

 

[Rightguide]

Well, between Rome and Dune, we have a lot to use to compare to as well....

Personally, I didn't expect anyone else here to know who the heck the Gracchi brothers even were. Or the Peasants Revolt of the 13th Century. I am pleasantly surprised. Literotica never ceases to amaze me with the people here and how much everyone knows. The PB is even better. It's so refreshing to be able to abuse and slander intelligent but misguided people and get intelligent responses back. I love it!!!!!!

My experience is I am usually the only one who has even heard of the Gracchi - or almost the only one - my husband knew right away, when I threw it in there after we first met - a big plus for him back then LOL apart from liking Chinese Takeout and applied violence (we met at taekwondo)

I love this site. And this Board. LOL

How many here have heard of Lucius Flavius Silva and what he did?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The country owes Musk for saving NASA and showing them how to more for less.

I thought it was the defence department paying him, how/where does NASA come into it?

 

[jomar]

Article from Glenn Reynolds on substack (link at end of post)

“This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization.”

That was Elon Musk, super-hyped in his Trump inaugural rally victory speech. And he’s one hundred percent right.

The single most important thing that’s happening now, and that will unfold over the next several decades, is humanity’s transition from a planetary to an interplanetary species. (And, eventually, to an interstellar one.) And that’s tied to the election. Had Trump lost, that might still have happened. Space policy over the last decade was surprisingly consistent across Republican and Democratic administrations. But I doubt it.

The Harris Administration would have gone after Elon, out of pique for his purchase of X and wrecking of their global censorship plan if nothing else. He’s an extremely smart man, and has a lot of resources – he wisely made himself indispensable to the most powerful part of the Deep State on several fronts – but before the election I polled my Admin Law class and a substantial majority thought that Elon would wind up prosecuted and probably jailed if Harris won the election. This surprised me a bit, but I think that Elon thought that too and that it’s one reason he took an active hand in the campaign. And he was right to do so: While his companies would have survived his jailing, his vision probably wouldn’t have. It’s shared by people like SpaceX CEO Gwynne Shotwell, who is as big a space fanatic as Elon (including the ”interstellar species” part) even though she’s considered something of a balance wheel for him, and it’s shared by many, many of his employees. But he’s the driving force. SpaceX without Elon would be like Apple without Steve Jobs – still around, still profitable, but . . . boring.

And it’s not just space and SpaceX. America was headed for the sort of crony-capitalist bureaucratic-governance stagnation that afflicts Europe. That’s bad for citizens, whose incomes lag, and it’s bad for nations, whose economies lag. And it’s bad for space settlement, because frontiers aren’t generally opened by stagnant societies. There’s a reason why SpaceX happened in America instead of, say, France.

Trump 45 did some good at slowing this trend, but didn’t attack the problem head on. This time, with a much clearer view of how the bureaucracy and the Deep State operate, he’s mounting a Pattonesque blitz, with DOGE and a flurry of executive orders. I hope he succeeds to Millei-like levels in slashing the government and in eviscerating bureaucratic power. If he does, if he gets even half that far, it will be a Golden Age of America indeed.

And all around the world, the reverberations are putting cracks in the edifice of control that Western governments have tried to erect on top of their populations. Censorship is failing, two-tier law enforcement is coming under pressure, “far-right fringe” political parties are approaching majorities, open borders are beginning to close, and in general the normies are figuring out what was being done to them and what the plans for the future are, and starting to push back.

Five or ten more years – say two Kamala terms as President – and the changes underway would have been, if not actually irreversible, at least impossible to reverse without substantial bloodshed and destruction. We made it, by the skin of our teeth. But it’s not over yet. As Yogi Berra said, “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”

We were on a path to destruction, and now there’s a fork in a much more positive direction. It’s up to us to make sure we take it. Trump’s victory is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to saving America, and quite possibly the world. It will take years of unrelenting effort to make sure that we do, in fact, take that fork. So enjoy the celebration, and then get to work.

What kind of work? I have some thoughts.

First: Preparing for the 2026 elections. They’ll be here before you know it. In 2018, Trump lost Congressional control, allowing Democrats to tie him up with hearings, inquiries, impeachment, etc. Historical odds are for that to happen again, but it will be much easier to enact major reforms without that. Registering voters – look what Sean Parnell did in Pennsylvania – is a major step. So is demanding and working for election reforms that make cheating much harder. You can take an active hand in that.

Second: Pressing the Congress – and the Administration – to focus on making the most of the next two years. Winning in 2026 would be great, but this majority is the only one we can count on. This means putting the kibosh on unproductive infighting, and pressing the majorities to actually advance the programs they ran on.

Third: Go to war with the media. They’re on the run now, and losing influence, but they haven’t learned their lesson, as recent efforts to spread the bogus story that Elon Musk gave a “Nazi salute” demonstrate. Sure, even the ADL called that story bogus, but that didn’t stop major networks from running with it. (Lawsuits from Elon might provide a lesson, and he can certainly afford them). And as for PBS and NPR, they should be defunded, but that means more than just a cutoff of federal funds. Much of their income comes from payments from local affiliate stations, which pay dues and also pay for programming. Much of those payments, in turn, comes from state-government-controlled affiliates, such as state-university-controlled radio and TV stations. State governments can cut that, and surely such efforts in red states would be likely to succeed. This wouldn’t leave NPR and PBS entirely penniless, but it would be a sore blow. And even an effort along those lines might send a valuable signal about partisan broadcasting on the taxpayers’ backs.

Fourth: Go after nonprofits. The nonprofit sector serves as a largely unaccountable shadow government in many ways. Its accounting controls are usually shoddy, its oversight comes, if at all, mostly from state attorneys general, and the requirements that 501(c)(3) entities be nonpartisan are . . . loose. My advice: Get your state attorneys general and state tax officials to start looking closely at the records.

Fifth: Everything I said above goes quadruple for universities. They’re pretty partisan despite being 501(c)(3) entities, their financial accounting is often slipshod, and they serve as money laundries for leftists in ways big and small. Paid staffers, whose numbers have exploded, are footsoldiers and propaganda consumers for leftist causes and candidates, big-ticket speaker fees go overwhelmingly to leftist speakers, money for “documentaries” and textbook sales goes mostly to leftists, and of course, faculties are overwhelmingly leftist and a perusal of any university faculty and staff’s political donations on OpenSecrets will show a virtual blue wall. They need to be pressed on all of this, and they need to be pressed to diversify their faculties politically. Claims that “conservatives aren’t smart” or “conservatives just don’t apply” should be treated similarly to claims that blacks or women don’t measure up or apply.

Anyway, there you have it. There’s a fork in the road.

It’s time to make sure we take it.
https://instapundit.substack.com/p/trump-47-a-civilizational-fork-in

Well, I was trying give it a serious read even though I don’t agree with his opinions. Then I got to his segment on the media whereupon he completely lost credibility by telling everyone to not believe their lying eyes about Musk’s Nazi salute. Then he wants to go after just left and left leaning media but apparently whatever the right wing media outlets do is ok. He’s even being disingenuous about the ADL response to the Nazi salute.

So after writing the above I googled him. He originated and maintains the extreme right conservative blog Instapundit, which is also affiliated with pjmedia, a Rightguide favorite.

INSTAPUNDIT
Questionable Reasoning: Conspiracy Theories, Poor Sources, Propaganda, False Claims, Lack of Transparency
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

So, looks like I was right after the Nazi salute denial flag was waved.

 

[ChloeTzang]

How many here have heard of Lucius Flavius Silva and what he did?

LOL. How many indeed. I have the book by Ernest K Gann, as well as another (Son of a Star) on the later Bar Kochba revolt, which was fascinating to read. REally recommend the Miesels one. Gann's is not his best.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

How many here have heard of Lucius Flavius Silva and what he did?

LOL. How many indeed.

He has an assload of descendants in Brazil based on patronymics.

 

[Rightguide]

He has an assload of descendants in Brazil based on patronymics.

You ever see that ramp he built? Friggin' impressive. It's still there today.

 

[Politruk]

JD Vance will

Never be president save by vice-presidential succession.

 

[Politruk]

How many here have heard of Lucius Flavius Silva and what he did?

Wasn't he the general who took Masada at the end of the Jewish Revolt?