Trump Is Blunt, But He's Right

[Rightguide]

They are required by the treaty to spend 2% of their GDP on NATO preparedness.

Most European nations spend approximately half that and some even less. I think the last numbers I saw was that the US spends around 5% of US GDP on military and NATO required preparedness.

We are about 2.7% of GDP right now as opposed to say 1953 when it was 11.3% nd we had huge armies in Europe:

https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Photos/igphoto/2002099941/

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Here's the thing about European security; if they'd just stop invading each other they wouldn't need to worry about Trump's comments about NATO.

But, since the NATO allies are a bunch of stupid freeloading shits, they need the US to run NATO for their protection. Which is why the threat of the US leaving them without the money to keep the war machine running terrorizes them so much.

If Russia stopped being a threat to its neighbors, the need for NATO would evaporate. The rest of Europe is quite capable of peaceful coexistence.

 

[Rightguide]

If Russia stopped being a threat to its neighbors, the need for NATO would evaporate. The rest of Europe is quite capable of peaceful coexistence.

There is no historical context for peaceful coexistence in Europe prior to the American occupation in WWII. Historically they are demonstrably incapable of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There is no historical context for peaceful coexistence in Europe prior to the American occupation in WWII. Historically they are demonstrably incapable of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

America doesn’t keep the peace in modern Europe. The European Union does a fine job of mediating between its member states. NATO exists purely to prevent Russia from trying to re-establish its lost empire.

 

[Rightguide]

America doesn’t keep the peace in modern Europe. The European Union does a fine job of mediating between its member states. NATO exists purely to prevent Russia from trying to re-establish its lost empire.

Show us how Europe has a history of peaceful coexistence. And what I said was true. Nato came about as a result of our occupation of Europe after WWII as did the United Nations. The EU wasn't instituted until about 1992.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Show us how Europe has a history of peaceful coexistence. And what I said was true. Nato came about as a result of our occupation of Europe after WWII as did the United Nations. The EU wasn't instituted until about 1992.

NATO wasn’t created until the 1950s. It was a direct response to Soviet aggression in the years after the war.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

They are required by the treaty to spend 2% of their GDP on NATO preparedness.

Ummm no they are not. Just another subject you should refrain from posting about.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

NATO wasn’t created until the 1950s. It was a direct response to Soviet aggression in the years after the war.

You might have to post this a dozen times. wrongway's pretty thick headed.

 

[HisArpy]

If Russia stopped being a threat to its neighbors, the need for NATO would evaporate. The rest of Europe is quite capable of peaceful coexistence.

Sure it is...

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Sure it is...

History is resplendent with example.

 

[HisArpy]

History is resplendent with example.

Well, you know how it is with White Supremacist Christian Nationals. Take them out of the picture and you have lots of examples of people not trying to kill each other.

Or maybe not...

 

[Rightguide]

NATO wasn’t created until the 1950s. It was a direct response to Soviet aggression in the years after the war.

It was created while were occupying Europe:

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was established in 1949 by the United States and 11 other Western nations to create a counterweight to Soviet armies stationed in central and eastern Europe after World War II. The Treaty of Dunkirk signed by Britain and France on 4 March 1947 pledging to contain any future military threat from a revived Germany or the USSR at a time when the Marshall Plan was attempting to bring economic deliverance to a stricken continent still in recovery from a war that had killed 36.5 million people. NATO was soon expanded to include Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, the US, Canada, Portugal, Italy, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland.1 NATO's fundamental goal is to safeguard the Allies' freedom and security by political and military means.2 The Treaty's core component is its Article V, which states that an attack on any member of the alliance is treated as an attack on all. NATO deterrence helped contribute to maintaining European peace during the Cold War.0
cv4a.org
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independent.co.uk
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nato.usmission.gov
2

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It was created while were occupying Europe:

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was established in 1949 by the United States and 11 other Western nations to create a counterweight to Soviet armies stationed in central and eastern Europe after World War II. The Treaty of Dunkirk signed by Britain and France on 4 March 1947 pledging to contain any future military threat from a revived Germany or the USSR at a time when the Marshall Plan was attempting to bring economic deliverance to a stricken continent still in recovery from a war that had killed 36.5 million people. NATO was soon expanded to include Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, the US, Canada, Portugal, Italy, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland.1 NATO's fundamental goal is to safeguard the Allies' freedom and security by political and military means.2 The Treaty's core component is its Article V, which states that an attack on any member of the alliance is treated as an attack on all. NATO deterrence helped contribute to maintaining European peace during the Cold War.0
cv4a.org
0
independent.co.uk
1
nato.usmission.gov
2

Nice to see you agree with BSG, her only error was on the date. 1949/1950 if only you could make posts with so few factual errors.