Tea Party should divorce the Republicans: Why America needs more political parties

[jacktar48]

Republicans have this weird habit of whoever wasn't good enough to win the LAST primary, gets to go to the front of the line on the NEXT primary.

Like..."Oh, we lost with our starting lineup? Maybe next game we go with the farm team."

According to that logic who was not good enough last time? Santorum??? Gingrich??

Scary.

I remember a National Lampoon article from 1975, "Desperate Dems Delve for Diminutive Dingus," that asserted the winner is always the candidate with the biggest dick. (The Big Wang Theory.) The problem in that election was that no one really wanted to win and inherit the Nixon legacy, and Gerald Ford had such a notoriously tiny unit that they couldn't find anyone who could lose to him.

I laughed so hard I almost threw up.

But if Hillary is matched up against Rick Perry, Ted Cruz, or any of those other phony bastards, I'm afraid she's going to win in the dick department.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I remember a National Lampoon article from 1975, "Desperate Dems Delve for Diminutive Dingus," that asserted the winner is always the candidate with the biggest dick. (The Big Wang Theory.) The problem in that election was that no one really wanted to win and inherit the Nixon legacy, and Gerald Ford had such a notoriously tiny unit that they couldn't find anyone who could lose to him.

I laughed so hard I almost threw up.

But if Hillary is matched up against Rick Perry, Ted Cruz, or any of those other phony bastards, I'm afraid she's going to win in the dick department.

If God has a sense of humor, then Rick Perry will run again.
:nods:

 

[jacktar48]

If God has a sense of humor, then Rick Perry will run again.
:nods:

George Bush being elected twice, asserting that he was drafted by God and having people actually believe him, is sufficient evidence of the Creator's warped sense of humor.

 

[about_average]

I remember a National Lampoon article from 1975, "Desperate Dems Delve for Diminutive Dingus," that asserted the winner is always the candidate with the biggest dick. (The Big Wang Theory.) The problem in that election was that no one really wanted to win and inherit the Nixon legacy, and Gerald Ford had such a notoriously tiny unit that they couldn't find anyone who could lose to him.

I laughed so hard I almost threw up.

This is my favorite National Lampoon piece of all time.

it was such a real looking VW ad that VW sued them and they were forced to remove all copies of "The Gentleman's Bathroom Companion" from the market.

 

[Que]

Oh my gosh that is hilarious...well both, but the VW one is so horrible it is brilliant.

 

[1sickbastard]

If God has a sense of humor, then Rick Perry will run again.
:nods:

I think Comedy Central is going to bankroll Perry for the first half of the primaries. Just way to much potential funny surrounding the former cheerleader with the pointy boots to pass up.

 

[jeninflorida]

if you are a democrat or a socialist than you need to call 911 and check into a mental hospital.

remember, liking the obama kind as a political leader is proof that you are mentally ill.

 

[about_average]

Oh my gosh that is hilarious...well both, but the VW one is so horrible it is brilliant.

My two favorite covers. At least the two that stand out in my memory.

My father found some of my National Lampoons and made me burn them. But he didn't know how many I had and I only burned a few.

 

[RobDownSouth]

My favorite...

 

[KingOrfeo]

The folding of NatLamp in 1998 was indeed a tragic loss to American culture.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The folding of NatLamp in 1998 was indeed a tragic loss to American culture.

I thought Spy magazine in the early 1990s was going to be their successor.

When Maury Povich and Connie Chung announced they were gonna have sex every day to try and have a baby, Spy assigned an intern to contact their publicists every day for 90 days to "follow up on that promise".

 

[jacktar48]

This is my favorite National Lampoon piece of all time.

it was such a real looking VW ad that VW sued them and they were forced to remove all copies of "The Gentleman's Bathroom Companion" from the market.

Well, that sucks. They should have sued VW back and demanded a share of all the extra profits they probably got out of this free ad. (Theory of Unjust Enrichment?)

If I remember correctly, that was shortly after VW came out with the "Super Beetle," which was a major piece of crap.

 

[jacktar48]

My favorite...

I remember that cover. Almost made me want to go back for a Master's degree so I could be a college professor.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In its present formation, not much. "Left of center" != "left."

My bad...should have just said the DNC.

Overall I do agree with you on the needing more parties though. I think we even need sub territories/decentralize most of the government sans defense/infrastructure.

There is no reason the people of New England should be subject to the political views of a radically different society, like the south, PNW, or midwest. NY? Might as well be a different country than CA. And TX/south? I found the Australian outback more like the south than the rest of the US. Put a Texan, an Aussie and a New Yorker in a room....and I'll bet the farm the Aussie and Texan gang up on the New Yorker lol

The states are too small in and of themselves but entire regions?? Why not? If the South wants to be a bunch of cultist whack jobs teaching their kids Jesus rode a T-rex LET THEM DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! concentrate the trailer parks in TX, LA, MS, MI, TN,VA,WV,NC,SC,GA, & FL.

PNW/MidW/NE get to run their shit, those people get to live how they like.

There are too many people over too far of a physical area with clashing cultures that no 1 central government can possible hope to properly service. The people of the PNW and the people of the Dirty South are never going to agree on HC....so why not let the PNW have their HC system and let the people of Bama' die in the streets? Everyone is happy....wtf chuck?

 

[KingOrfeo]

My bad...should have just said the DNC.

Overall I do agree with you on the needing more parties though. I think we even need sub territories/decentralize most of the government sans defense/infrastructure.

There is no reason the people of New England should be subject to the political views of a radically different society, like the south, PNW, or midwest. NY? Might as well be a different country than CA. And TX/south? I found the Australian outback more like the south than the rest of the US. Put a Texan, an Aussie and a New Yorker in a room....and I'll bet the farm the Aussie and Texan gang up on the New Yorker lol

The states are too small in and of themselves but entire regions?? Why not? If the South wants to be a bunch of cultist whack jobs teaching their kids Jesus rode a T-rex LET THEM DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! concentrate the trailer parks in TX, LA, MS, MI, TN,VA,WV,NC,SC,GA, & FL.

PNW/MidW/NE get to run their shit, those people get to live how they like.

There are too many people over too far of a physical area with clashing cultures that no 1 central government can possible hope to properly service. The people of the PNW and the people of the Dirty South are never going to agree on HC....so why not let the PNW have their HC system and let the people of Bama' die in the streets? Everyone is happy....wtf chuck?

From Sinclair Lewis' 1935 novel It Can't Happen Here, Chapter 16 (at this point in the story, a Midwestern populist-fascist demagogue, Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, of the Corporate or "Corpo" Party, has just been elected president of the United States, has taken office, and has seized dictatorial power through his partisan army of "Minute Men" -- modeled, clearly, on Hitler's SA stormtroopers; the protagonist Doremus Jessup, a newspaper editor in a small town in New England, reflects on the changes):

None of the changes was so publicized as the Presidential mandate abruptly ending the separate existence of the different states, and dividing the whole country into eight "provinces" -- thus, asserted Windrip, economizing by reducing the number of governors and all other state officers and, asserted Windrip's enemies, better enabling him to concentrate his private army and hold the country.

The new "Northeastern Province" included all of New York State north of a line through Ossining, and all of New England except a strip of Connecticut shore as far east as New Haven. This was, Doremus admitted, a natural and homogeneous division, and even more natural seemed the urban and industrial "Metropolitan Province," which included Greater New York, Westchester County up to Ossining, Long Island, the strip of Connecticut dependent on New York City, New Jersey, northern Delaware, and Pennsylvania as far as Reading and Scranton.

Each province was divided into numbered districts, each district into lettered counties, each county into townships and cities, and only in these last did the old names, with their traditional appeal, remain to endanger President Windrip by memories of honorable local history. . . .

The Northeastern Province's six districts were: 1, Upper New York State west of and including Syracuse; 2, New York east of it; 3, Vermont and New Hampshire; 4, Maine; 6, Rhode Island and the unraped portion of Connecticut.

District 3, Doremus Jessup's district, was divided into the four "counties" of southern and northern Vermont, and southern and northern New Hampshire, with Hanover for capital -- the District Commissioner merely chased the Dartmouth students out and took over the college buildings for his offices, to the considerable approval of Amherst, Williams, and Yale.

So Doremus was living, now, in Northeastern Province, District 3, County B, township of Beulah, and over him for his admiration and rejoicing were a provincial commissioner, a district commissioner, a county commissioner, an assistant county commissioner in charge of Beulah Township, and all their appertaining M.M. guards and emergency military judges.

Despite the dystopian-fictional context, this might be a good system -- if each province, district and county were ruled by a locally elected executive and assembly, rather than a commissioner appointed by the president.

Of course, we're going to need pro-multipartisan reforms and a multiparty system before the Overton Window can be levered wide enough to even allow serious discussion of any changes that radical.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No need, the Tea Party needs to kick the liberals out and take over the Republican Party.

But, regardless of whether the TP leaves the GOP or takes it over, you need to enact the pro-multipartisan reforms (PR, IRV, electoral fusion) first.

Because without those, the True-Pure-RW party you desire, running under our present system, would always lose, except in a few solid-red counties.

You, errmm, you do understand that, don't you, vette? I keep getting the impression you don't, really.

That is, you do understand how few Americans are your kind of conservatives?

No more than 12% of the public and 15% of registered voters, according to the 2014 Pew Political Typology (they're the "Steadfast Conservatives," as distinct from the "Business Conservatives").

 

[jeninflorida]

what we need is more welfare! everything should be free

 

[KingOrfeo]

My favorite...

What makes it even better is the style -- the artist is channeling Norman Rockwell!

 

[Asshungry]

Our voting system sucks. The electoral college must go. We should elect based on popular vote only. In my state you have to vote a party line. I tend to lean to one party but on occasions the other party has the better candidate. Yet I can't vote for that individual and still be able to vote for others in my party. We should be able to vote for our candidate of choice regardless of their party. Some states allow this but I feel it should be national. Frankly I think we are very close to the tipping point.

 

[jacktar48]

You, errmm, you do understand that, don't you, vette? I keep getting the impression you don't, really.

That is, you do understand how few Americans are your kind of conservatives?

No more than 12% of the public and 15% of registered voters, according to the 2014 Pew Political Typology (they're the "Steadfast Conservatives," as distinct from the "Business Conservatives").

That will change when women and all inferior races are denied the right to vote as the Founding Fathers (genuflecting) intended.

Then we must have more wars to make men of those wimps who think murder is wrong. Then anyone who disagrees must be FLOGGED! :caning:

And soon everyone will agree with whatever dictator takes power. God Bless America!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Frankly I think we are very close to the tipping point.

Into what?

 

[badbabysitter]

A multi-party system is a doublle edged sword..I should know, I live in one

on the good side, you have mutliple voices speaking for people of differing political views...it's no longer a choice of the reds or the blues

you get coalition governments, and fierce debate from parties that all want to be number one..and a system which then relies on all those voices compromising if these different parties can amange to hold a balance of power with each other

the negative..is something that is happening right now... a majortiy by the minority


in the last federal election the Conservative party 40% of the general vote...that means 60% of the country voted for the other parties.... but the conservatives got the biggest block....so they win..and they won big


now we have a government that wont investigate electoral fraud, wont release budget information, will pass budgets without disclosure and can vote it through without dissent...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Despite the dystopian-fictional context, this might be a good system -- if each province, district and county were ruled by a locally elected executive and assembly, rather than a commissioner appointed by the president.

I think it would work better than the antiquated shit heap we are rocking right now. But I'm nobody so it doesn't matter what I think LOL

Of course, we're going to need pro-multipartisan reforms and a multiparty system before the Overton Window can be levered wide enough to even allow serious discussion of any changes that radical.

Oh of course, I have no delusions over the fact something like that would require nothing short of a total overhaul of our government top to bottom. I'm just saying I think our government would better serve it's people if it were not consumed with bickering over what really amounts to cultural differences with control freaks running each and every one of them. Fighting over who get's to tell the other how they get to live from 2000 miles away and grin like fucking assholes about it. Bunch of fucking psychopathic fucking nut bags.

 

[jacktar48]

I think it would work better than the antiquated shit heap we are rocking right now. But I'm nobody so it doesn't matter what I think LOL



Oh of course, I have no delusions over the fact something like that would require nothing short of a total overhaul of our government top to bottom. I'm just saying I think our government would better serve it's people if it were not consumed with bickering over what really amounts to cultural differences with control freaks running each and every one of them. Fighting over who get's to tell the other how they get to live from 2000 miles away and grin like fucking assholes about it. Bunch of fucking psychopathic fucking nut bags.

DECENTRALIZE.

It's not like this is something we discovered recently.

Thomas Jefferson to Charles Hammond, 1821:

"When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."