elfin_odalisque
Literotica Guru
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Just posting here, without the garish colors, what scouries was too scared and offensive to post here, but hid on another thread.
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Patience my dear, patience…
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Replies to miss odalisque #1 (more to come)
Miss o’s comments I’ve left in black – my replies are in blue, other stuff red…
QUOTE FREEDOM The owners here give contributing authors more freedom and control than most publishers – POD or otherwise – even a lot of online sites. A writer has 100% control and copyright from the moment of submission. She can edit, withdraw, choose not to allow public comments and suppress voting. The author can publish his story anywhere else and can withdraw it from the site at a moment’s notice.
In the above you do fail to note that most authors aren’t being paid by the site which of course explains why they still own their stories.
Also, for those of us with ROYALTY contracts the above doesn’t apply. Under the terms of my contract for example I have ceded some of the items you list in exchange for monetary rewards. I do want to emphasize though that I have retained complete control of the movie/film rights on my works.
QUOTE One of the overarching themes of this site is Freedom. Not just the freedom to publish erotic stories to a global audience, but a full support of free speech and individual freedom.
Question – Mr Scouries, how does anything you postulate accord with the libertarian ethos of the owners of Lit?
First I’d just like to say that the above discourse on freedom has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the 1000+ VOTE CLUB thread. The thread, as I’ve repeatedly stated, simply was an attempt to produce a list of the top voting stories of all time on the site. Period. And many of LITEROTICA’S most famous, capable and popular authors were quite happy to see their names listed.
I’m sorry miss o but I’m not very familiar with the “overarching themes of the site” nor the personal political views (‘libertarian ethos’?) of L+M. I understand that at one time Laurel took a much more front and center role here. Looking today I see she’s made some 17,000 posts since 1999! Certainly since I’ve been a member (some 2 ½ years) I can’t remember seeing more than a handful of posts from her (mainly to do with contest results etc.) and I definitely can’t remember one of a political nature.
And yet I continually read and hear about their views from the ‘old timers’ who clearly interacted and befriended them at one time. So I’m quite prepared to accept your description of them as strong believers in FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
However you must remember that this is an erotic story site. It’s not some political blog discussing constitutional rights or libertarian ideas. As to overarching themes FYI miss o here is the LITEROTICA HOME PAGE’s opening words:
Welcome to Literotica, your FREE source for the hottest in erotic fiction and fantasy. Literotica features 100% original sex stories from a variety of authors. Literotica accepts quality erotic story submissions from amateur authors and holds story contests for contributors. We offer a huge selection of adult fantasies to choose from, and are always on the lookout for new and exciting ideas. We encourage you to contact us with any comments or suggestions on how we can make this free sex story site more pleasurable for you. Have fun and enjoy yourselves while visiting Literotica Erotic Fiction!
However, if you want my personal opinion miss o (and you have asked for it), I believe that in general L+M do a fairly good job on the whole question of FREEDOM OF SPEECH on this site. They face the difficult task of balancing their own personal views (whatever they are), commercial interests, and the legal environment. Never an easy task!
I also am quite prepared to state I don’t agree with all their decisions and rules. And yet I’m more than prepared to follow them. It’s their site!
At present the main restrictions on FREEDOM OF SPEECH here at LITEROTICA as I understand them are the following:
-Authors cannot write about sexual experiences of humans under 18
-Authors cannot describe sex between humans and animals
-Snuff or exceedingly violent scenes are not allowed
The first is extremely limiting for a writer of erotica and personally I’d like to see it eliminated. Just about every mainstream coming-of-age book written since the 1940’s (and there are literally tens of thousands of them) invariably contain some explicit sexual experiences that would make there publishing on LIT almost impossible under the present rules.
I assume L+M’s decision was motivated by legal questions as well as the problems and costs that would arise if each story had to be evaluated in a vacuum without specific, hard guidelines. There really are only two choices: one, complete freedom or, two, drawing a line somewhere in the sand.
Personally, I don’t advocate complete freedom for a lot of reasons. If I ran the site I’d just draw a less distinct line and the age would probably be somewhat younger (14, 15, 16?).
Quite frankly bestiality doesn’t bother me at all. Probably because I have absolutely no interest in it nor understand the attraction. However, I don’t see much difference between a dog/woman or dolphin/man sex story and all these non-human/human sex stories on the site already.
I also don’t believe these snuff/violent stories should be banned. One only has to read through the mainline fiction best seller lists to encounter every sort of sadistic sexual predator imaginable. I assume these type of books are banned here simply due to personal distaste that L+M have for them as opposed to some legal question.
But I can live with their guidelines.
Strangely it is in the BULLETIN BOARD world of LITEROTICA where I have more problems with their policies. Here they draw no line in the sand! This scouries thread is a perfect example. Personally, while I’d allow people to post just about anything, I wouldn’t allow them to post under two or three or six different names. If you want to talk trash, go ahead, but let us all know who’s speaking.
LAUREL, MANU, it’s time to kill some of these effing ALTS.
jrs
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Patience my dear, patience…
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Replies to miss odalisque #1 (more to come)
Miss o’s comments I’ve left in black – my replies are in blue, other stuff red…
QUOTE FREEDOM The owners here give contributing authors more freedom and control than most publishers – POD or otherwise – even a lot of online sites. A writer has 100% control and copyright from the moment of submission. She can edit, withdraw, choose not to allow public comments and suppress voting. The author can publish his story anywhere else and can withdraw it from the site at a moment’s notice.
In the above you do fail to note that most authors aren’t being paid by the site which of course explains why they still own their stories.
Also, for those of us with ROYALTY contracts the above doesn’t apply. Under the terms of my contract for example I have ceded some of the items you list in exchange for monetary rewards. I do want to emphasize though that I have retained complete control of the movie/film rights on my works.
QUOTE One of the overarching themes of this site is Freedom. Not just the freedom to publish erotic stories to a global audience, but a full support of free speech and individual freedom.
Question – Mr Scouries, how does anything you postulate accord with the libertarian ethos of the owners of Lit?
First I’d just like to say that the above discourse on freedom has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the 1000+ VOTE CLUB thread. The thread, as I’ve repeatedly stated, simply was an attempt to produce a list of the top voting stories of all time on the site. Period. And many of LITEROTICA’S most famous, capable and popular authors were quite happy to see their names listed.
I’m sorry miss o but I’m not very familiar with the “overarching themes of the site” nor the personal political views (‘libertarian ethos’?) of L+M. I understand that at one time Laurel took a much more front and center role here. Looking today I see she’s made some 17,000 posts since 1999! Certainly since I’ve been a member (some 2 ½ years) I can’t remember seeing more than a handful of posts from her (mainly to do with contest results etc.) and I definitely can’t remember one of a political nature.
And yet I continually read and hear about their views from the ‘old timers’ who clearly interacted and befriended them at one time. So I’m quite prepared to accept your description of them as strong believers in FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
However you must remember that this is an erotic story site. It’s not some political blog discussing constitutional rights or libertarian ideas. As to overarching themes FYI miss o here is the LITEROTICA HOME PAGE’s opening words:
Welcome to Literotica, your FREE source for the hottest in erotic fiction and fantasy. Literotica features 100% original sex stories from a variety of authors. Literotica accepts quality erotic story submissions from amateur authors and holds story contests for contributors. We offer a huge selection of adult fantasies to choose from, and are always on the lookout for new and exciting ideas. We encourage you to contact us with any comments or suggestions on how we can make this free sex story site more pleasurable for you. Have fun and enjoy yourselves while visiting Literotica Erotic Fiction!
However, if you want my personal opinion miss o (and you have asked for it), I believe that in general L+M do a fairly good job on the whole question of FREEDOM OF SPEECH on this site. They face the difficult task of balancing their own personal views (whatever they are), commercial interests, and the legal environment. Never an easy task!
I also am quite prepared to state I don’t agree with all their decisions and rules. And yet I’m more than prepared to follow them. It’s their site!
At present the main restrictions on FREEDOM OF SPEECH here at LITEROTICA as I understand them are the following:
-Authors cannot write about sexual experiences of humans under 18
-Authors cannot describe sex between humans and animals
-Snuff or exceedingly violent scenes are not allowed
The first is extremely limiting for a writer of erotica and personally I’d like to see it eliminated. Just about every mainstream coming-of-age book written since the 1940’s (and there are literally tens of thousands of them) invariably contain some explicit sexual experiences that would make there publishing on LIT almost impossible under the present rules.
I assume L+M’s decision was motivated by legal questions as well as the problems and costs that would arise if each story had to be evaluated in a vacuum without specific, hard guidelines. There really are only two choices: one, complete freedom or, two, drawing a line somewhere in the sand.
Personally, I don’t advocate complete freedom for a lot of reasons. If I ran the site I’d just draw a less distinct line and the age would probably be somewhat younger (14, 15, 16?).
Quite frankly bestiality doesn’t bother me at all. Probably because I have absolutely no interest in it nor understand the attraction. However, I don’t see much difference between a dog/woman or dolphin/man sex story and all these non-human/human sex stories on the site already.
I also don’t believe these snuff/violent stories should be banned. One only has to read through the mainline fiction best seller lists to encounter every sort of sadistic sexual predator imaginable. I assume these type of books are banned here simply due to personal distaste that L+M have for them as opposed to some legal question.
But I can live with their guidelines.
Strangely it is in the BULLETIN BOARD world of LITEROTICA where I have more problems with their policies. Here they draw no line in the sand! This scouries thread is a perfect example. Personally, while I’d allow people to post just about anything, I wouldn’t allow them to post under two or three or six different names. If you want to talk trash, go ahead, but let us all know who’s speaking.
LAUREL, MANU, it’s time to kill some of these effing ALTS.
jrs