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REDWAVE

REDWAVE

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The latest bogus "terror warning" by Tom Ridge, based on "intelligence" even the Bushies admit is three to four years old (and thus utterly worthless now), has been used as an excuse to impose virtual martial law in NYC and DC. Troops and paramilitary police with automatic weapons are everywhere, people are searched in gross violation of their constitutional and fundamental human rights, roads have been closed, etc. The residents of those areas should not tolerate these outrageous police state moves for one second, and should rise up in a GENERAL STRIKE, along with militant demonstrations and massive civil disobedience, to SMASH THE POLICE STATE NOW!

On behalf of the oppressed masses everywhere, I demand: Troops and paramilitary pigs off the streets now! No searches or seizures without probable cause! The fascist pigs responsible for this latest outrage and obscenity in the so-called "land of the free," all the way up to Bush, should all be severely punished for this despicable assault upon basic democratic rights.


DOWN WITH FASCIST PIGS!

:mad:
 
Out of curiosity, have you actually been in either city recently or is this a general rant from reading a newspaper?
 
Angel said:
Out of curiosity, have you actually been in either city recently or is this a general rant from reading a newspaper?
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LOL, I was going to ask that question.


Of course what REDWAVE said is utter bullshit, but hey, what do I know, I only live in NYC.
 
If I told you, I'd have to kill you

Angel said:
Out of curiosity, have you actually been in either city recently or is this a general rant from reading a newspaper?
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I'm sorry, but that information is on a "need to know" basis-- and you don't need to know.
 
zipman7 said:
LOL, I was going to ask that question.


Of course what REDWAVE said is utter bullshit, but hey, what do I know, I only live in NYC.
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I have enough friends and family to know from them that everything in Manhattan is perfectly normal, aside from a few extra men, with big guns in like 3 areas.

I'm assuming they know more than Redwave.
 
Angel said:
I have enough friends and family to know from them that everything in Manhattan is perfectly normal, aside from a few extra men, with big guns in like 3 areas.

I'm assuming they know more than Redwave.
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I am now working 1 block away from the NYSE.

One of those security checkpoints is right in front of my building and I often watch them search through any truck that is delivering to any buildings on the block.

The police are friendly and professional and I have yet to see a single pedestrian searched or questioned.

Oh but they do have bomb sniffing dogs. They use these viscious labradors and the way they wag their tails is very threatening! :D
 
zipman7 said:
I am now working 1 block away from the NYSE.

One of those security checkpoints is right in front of my building and I often watch them search through any truck that is delivering to any buildings on the block.

The police are friendly and professional and I have yet to see a single pedestrian searched or questioned.

Oh but they do have bomb sniffing dogs. They use these viscious labradors and the way they wag their tails is very threatening! :D
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Well I heard about the searches, but I was more talking about the effect on everyday pedestrians, as RW was talking about.

JFK also uses Labs as sniffers. You get to pet them when they're on break ;)
 
In spite of my generally libertarian philosophy, it would be stupid to allow truck or car bombings to kill civilians, and seriously damage our economy again, just to protect the civil rights of trucks.
 
This is how a police state starts

First, it's just "three little areas," and the claim is that they're there to "protect" you. Before long, the armed thugs of the state are everywhere, and you realize too late they're not there to protect you-- they're there to oppress you.

Also, unlike the phonies and fakes, I can document what I'm saying, rather than just referring to anonymous (and probably non-existent) sources:


Homeland Security in Action
 
Angel said:
Well I heard about the searches, but I was more talking about the effect on everyday pedestrians, as RW was talking about.

JFK also uses Labs as sniffers. You get to pet them when they're on break ;)
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The only impacts of the code orange on the city are that the bridges and tunnels have longer traffic delays and the areas right around the "specified targets" is a little tighter.

That's it. The rest of the city is virtually unaffected by it.

Btw, I go pet the labs at least once a day. :)
 
Both the UK and USA governments seen suddenly very keen that we should be aware of the undiscribed dangers that surround us from terrorists, and how thankful we should be that they are defending us at the small cost of the errosion of our civil liberties.

due to one small 'ethnic monitoring scheme' and a run in with the local police, iam now officialy 'Asian' :D
 
Some of the information from 9/11 was 3-4 years old and considered irrelevant until further corroboration.

Idiot.
 
HeavyStick said:
Some of the information from 9/11 was 3-4 years old and considered irrelevant until further corroboration.

Idiot.
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Exactly. The truth is the government provided specific information to the public in a timely manner about the threat.

The media are actually the ones who are "creating terror," not the government for raising the code.
 
At last, an intelligent reply

hobbit. said:
Both the UK and USA governments seen suddenly very keen that we should be aware of the undiscribed dangers that surround us from terrorists, and how thankful we should be that they are defending us at the small cost of the errosion of our civil liberties.

due to one small 'ethnic monitoring scheme' and a run in with the local police, iam now officialy 'Asian' :D
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There always has to be a bogeyman, an "enemy," to provide them an excuse for taking away our freedom. I find it ironic that the same people who say we should be thankful for all the wonderful "freedoms" we have are also the first ones to defend the assault upon what little freedom we have left.
 
Fuck you, warmongering scum!

HeavyStick said:
Some of the information from 9/11 was 3-4 years old and considered irrelevant until further corroboration.

Idiot.
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Yeah, right-- they did a lousy job of protecting us from a real attack, and now are making up for it by doing a fantastic job of "protecting" us from imaginary threats.

And of course the fact that this is happening just a few months before a Presidential election is purely coincidental.
:rolleyes:
 
Re: From the WSWS

REDWAVE said:
Terror scare paves way for police-state measures
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This is the second paragraph from that link:

Checkpoints have been set up where trucks and private vehicles are stopped and searched in random fashion—a violation of constitutional safeguards against arbitrary searches. Bridges and tunnels leading into New York have been closed to commercial traffic. Police armed with automatic weapons have been posted on downtown street corners and sent into subway stations, trains and buses, arbitrarily demanding identity proofs and going through people’s belongings.

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It is absolutely and utterly incorrect. At those checkpoints, no cars are allowed through unless they are NYC or Government officials and every single truck that goes through gets searched. There is nothing arbitrary about it.

I ride the subways every day and have yet to see a single Police officer asking a person for ID nor has anything been in the local news or papers about it.

But I guess you know more about it sitting in Vegas reading a socialist web site for news on NY.
 
If zipman had lived in Germany in 1932

zipman7 said:
The only impacts of the code orange on the city are that the bridges and tunnels have longer traffic delays and the areas right around the "specified targets" is a little tighter.

That's it. The rest of the city is virtually unaffected by it.

Btw, I go pet the labs at least once a day. :)
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"That Hitler fellow really doesn't mean all those things he says. I talked to a brownshirt the other day, and he was really a quite nice fellow. I feel much safer with all these nice Nazis around to protect me from the dirty socialists."
 
Re: If zipman had lived in Germany in 1932

REDWAVE said:
"That Hitler fellow really doesn't mean all those things he says. I talked to a brownshirt the other day, and he was really a quite nice fellow. I feel much safer with all these nice Nazis around to protect me from the dirty socialists."
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What does this have to do with Hitler?

You posted something that was inaccurate. The conditions you described are not what is currently happening and I corrected it.

If you want to prove your point, try posting some facts instead of making an utterly inaccurate comparison between NY and Nazi Germany.

Facts are not the enemy.
 
Fortress Big Apple
Will the President Escape From New York?
By Nick Turse

The tagline for John Carpenter's 1981 cult sci-fi classic Escape From New York went "New York City is now a maximum security prison. Breaking out is impossible. Breaking in is insane." In that movie set in a then-unimaginable, futuristic "1997" Gotham, criminal Snake Plissken (Kurt Russell) was charged with rescuing the President of the United States, whose plane had been downed in the walled-in, armed and angry prison island that Manhattan had become. With his life and freedom riding on saving a man he holds in contempt, Snake eventually fights an epic battle in world famous Madison Square Garden in his bid to save the president.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=1574
 
Re: At last, an intelligent reply

REDWAVE said:
There always has to be a bogeyman, an "enemy," to provide them an excuse for taking away our freedom. I find it ironic that the same people who say we should be thankful for all the wonderful "freedoms" we have are also the first ones to defend the assault upon what little freedom we have left.
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The 'Bogeyman' also serves the purpose of smoke and mirrors.... they provide the illusion that pacifes the masses. every government has its own percieved bogeyman. it makes me smile to think of the post Lockerbie vitriol both the UK and USA governments had for Gaddafi at the time, yet now he seems to be an alround decent chap. Weird.

what do police do best? gather intellegence. what do they need to do that? have available sources.

Moves are afoot in the UK to have 'phone tapping made legal for the police, 'without any reason to suspect any offence' simple question......why?
 
Lancecastor said:
Fortress Big Apple
Will the President Escape From New York?
By Nick Turse

The tagline for John Carpenter's 1981 cult sci-fi classic Escape From New York went "New York City is now a maximum security prison. Breaking out is impossible. Breaking in is insane." In that movie set in a then-unimaginable, futuristic "1997" Gotham, criminal Snake Plissken (Kurt Russell) was charged with rescuing the President of the United States, whose plane had been downed in the walled-in, armed and angry prison island that Manhattan had become. With his life and freedom riding on saving a man he holds in contempt, Snake eventually fights an epic battle in world famous Madison Square Garden in his bid to save the president.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=1574
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LOL, that was a funny read. Of course it it as inaccurate as RED's article although more cleverly written.

Come for a visit and see for yourself.
 
Re: Re: From the WSWS

zipman7 said:
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It is absolutely and utterly incorrect. At those checkpoints, no cars are allowed through unless they are NYC or Government officials and every single truck that goes through gets searched. There is nothing arbitrary about it.

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Right!

The constitutionality of random stops looking for drunk drivers has been upheld. Sensibly, too, I would add. The last thing we need is for drunks to be protected while they drive, or bombs in trucks to be protected. Same idea -- both can kill innocent people. How is protecting innocent life bad?
 
Re: Re: Re: From the WSWS

Guru said:
Right!

The constitutionality of random stops looking for drunk drivers has been upheld. Sensibly, too, I would add. The last thing we need is for drunks to be protected while they drive, or bombs in trucks to be protected. Same idea -- both can kill innocent people. How is protecting innocent life bad?
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drunks driving cars are very probably going to kill people. good point. well made. totaly accepted.

how many drunks drive around in large trucks filled with explosives?

is drunkeness a sign of social problems? if so what does that say about people in trucks filled withe explosives?
 
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