my friends great story was taken down

hello a friend of mine has been writing a really excellent story but it got removed recently. he explained to me that it was because part one mentioned they were freshmen in high school. but the story also explains to you that the age of the characters are 18 and over. rejecting the fact that almost everything on this site is fantasy anyway and theres no possible way a community of people would have older students in high school in a fantasy story, couldnt just part one have been removed so it can be edited to say that maybe they are freshmen in college instead of high school? he put so much into this story and its so good and popular and he just completely lost the will to write anymore when it got taken down. not only does the disclaimer in the begining tell you the characters are 18 and over but the story says it also!! it seems so excessive that all 10 parts would have to be taken down! sorry for complaining im just trying to help my friend and maybe get this excellent story back up i really really love it and so do alot of others... it is a really niche type of story but i hope you understand... sorry for the long post and thanks for reading.

-a huge fan of Bottom_All_The_Way and his story Brad The Bully Seduces My Mom

heyybaby said:

hello a friend of mine has been writing a really excellent story but it got removed recently. he explained to me that it was because part one mentioned they were freshmen in high school. but the story also explains to you that the age of the characters are 18 and over. rejecting the fact that almost everything on this site is fantasy anyway and theres no possible way a community of people would have older students in high school in a fantasy story, couldnt just part one have been removed so it can be edited to say that maybe they are freshmen in college instead of high school? he put so much into this story and its so good and popular and he just completely lost the will to write anymore when it got taken down. not only does the disclaimer in the begining tell you the characters are 18 and over but the story says it also!! it seems so excessive that all 10 parts would have to be taken down! sorry for complaining im just trying to help my friend and maybe get this excellent story back up i really really love it and so do alot of others... it is a really niche type of story but i hope you understand... sorry for the long post and thanks for reading.

-a huge fan of Bottom_All_The_Way and his story Brad The Bully Seduces My Mom

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Certainly could have been better if he had written it as college freshman. It would have been avoided. Was he given any other reason for it being taken down?

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Certainly could have been better if he had written it as college freshman. It would have been avoided. Was he given any other reason for it being taken down?

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no he just said that he was told that part one said they were freshmen in high school and that would have to make them at around 14-15 years old...

heyybaby said:

couldnt just part one have been removed so it can be edited to say that maybe they are freshmen in college instead of high school? he put so much into this story and its so good and popular and he just completely lost the will to write anymore when it got taken down

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It is up to the author to edit, nobody else.

It's also up to the author to adhere without any doubt to the NO UNDER EIGHTEEN rule on Literotica.

Stop writing about teenagers in high school is the only sure solution to this. Issuing disclaimers "every character is older than eighteen" when the context suggest otherwise is bullshit, to be honest. Perhaps the author needs to wait a few years, and then start writing about adults.

Let teenagers be teenagers, leave them alone to their own world of wonder. We've all been there, experienced that. It's wonderful, but not here on Lit. Write about maturity, not innocence.

Yes, the Web site could be more author-supportive in communications about such things as story take downs, but who does your "friend" think he's fooling by invoking a high school freshman in sexual activity? Just saying the character is eighteen is both cynical and an obvious false circumvention. If you have an eighteen-year-old high school freshman, you jolly well should be providing a story line-relevant reason within the context of the story.

Looks like we all agree... woo hoo!!!

Incidentally, I have a published book that does use this scenario--a character over eighteen but much earlier in school placement--and, yes, active sexually. But the whole hook of the book is why that it so and it's fully explained in the context of the work. It isn't a "wink, wink" cynical circumnavigation of the underage issue.

heyybaby said:

my friends great story was taken down


-a huge fan of Bottom_All_The_Way

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Why didn't the author come voice his concern?

sr71plt said:

It isn't a "wink, wink" cynical circumnavigation of the underage issue.

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Oh really? Judge for yourselves, folks:


http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=83294337&postcount=2111

"But this one, the small, lithe guy, not more than five foot five, Hardesty estimated, with the blond Mohawk and the fluttering eyelashes, was dancing the pole to the slow music in a shyer, more introspective way...."

"He wasn’t heavily muscled, but there wasn’t any fat on him either. His stomach was flat and his hips thin, but his buttocks flared out into perfect bubbles.

"The face was boyish too, almost pretty. His eyes were hazel or blue, Hardesty couldn’t really tell which in this light. But he didn’t care that much about the eyes—more that he looked young, too young, and that he was dancing within himself. Very sexy, but as if he was too innocent to be in here. Too vulnerable."

electricblue66 said:

Oh really? Judge for yourselves, folks:


http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=83294337&postcount=2111

"But this one, the small, lithe guy, not more than five foot five, Hardesty estimated, with the blond Mohawk and the fluttering eyelashes, was dancing the pole to the slow music in a shyer, more introspective way...."

"He wasn’t heavily muscled, but there wasn’t any fat on him either. His stomach was flat and his hips thin, but his buttocks flared out into perfect bubbles.

"The face was boyish too, almost pretty. His eyes were hazel or blue, Hardesty couldn’t really tell which in this light. But he didn’t care that much about the eyes—more that he looked young, too young, and that he was dancing within himself. Very sexy, but as if he was too innocent to be in here. Too vulnerable."

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Did I ever post that I didn't write young-looking/small submissive characters? I don't do it with age, though (find one that I have--I have one that has sex on his eighteenth birthday, though). And that's the fetish I'm after (in some of my wide-ranging stories)--smaller/larger--not underage. The difference is that I'm not circumventing anything. I adhere strictly to the "no sex acts before age 18." I'm not being hypocritical. 924 stories here and not a single word rewritten for underage. What I go after here are the hypocrites who stand on their head to circumvent the policy.

Now, shall I go through your file (how long would that take?--ah, golden showers. How very erotic) and post excerpts of your work on the forum? Would it be OK if I did an editorial review at the same time? Can I backbite while I do it? I'll even let you choose. Which of your stories would you like me to bring to the forum and critique?

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Now, shall I go through your file (how long would that take?--ah, golden showers. How very erotic) and post excerpts of your work on the forum? Would it be OK if I did an editorial review at the same time? Can I backbite while I do it? I'll even let you choose. Which of your stories would you like me to bring to the forum and critique?

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Pilot, you push the hypocrisy button just a little too much on this. Yes, I know you disclaim the eighteen year borderline scrupulously, but the description quoted above does reasonably suggest a different reading, to me at least (but obviously, that's a reflection on me, not you the author who wrote the words). I wonder what the age/weight/height percentile is for a boy 5'5" and with the physical build you describe? I've not checked, but I'm guessing, not eighteen.

Normally, when it comes to responding to anything, I think, "no, don't submit that, best not" but this time, your jump onto the soap box was just a little too much for credence.

I have not offered any editorial commentary on your work, you were the one who posted the extract in the thread promoting new work, as you constantly do and is your right to do.

I am merely pointing out what I think is double talk. Perhaps in this era of Alt-truth, I am more attuned to bullshit when I see it. So I called it, as is my right on this forum, just as you call your opinions regularly, predictably, and incessantly (46,758 and counting vs 660). Gee, who constantly posts "look at me!"?

And yet again, you set yourself up as the king of all erotica with your 900 and whatever published stories, by disparaging another writer's material. What, with your expert command of every kink, you're actually telling me you have never written of golden showers? Cheap shot, Pilot, and you know it.

I make no pretence that I am anything other than an amateur writer, whereas you place yourself above us all. You might want to check the definition of "hack" before you proclaim brilliance, just saying.

But what I have written is merely opinon, mine. What, I'm not allowed to express one? You do. Why am I any different to you? If you don't like my opinion, just put me on "ignore". That solves your problem of reading an opinion that is not your own.

heyybaby said:

hello a friend of mine has been writing a really excellent story but it got removed recently. he explained to me that it was because part one mentioned they were freshmen in high school. but the story also explains to you that the age of the characters are 18 and over.

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Adding an "everybody is 18+" note at the story might help if things were otherwise doubtful. But "high school freshman" makes it pretty clear that they're under-age regardless of what the intro might claim.

rejecting the fact that almost everything on this site is fantasy anyway and theres no possible way a community of people would have older students in high school in a fantasy story, couldnt just part one have been removed so it can be edited to say that maybe they are freshmen in college instead of high school? he put so much into this story and its so good and popular and he just completely lost the will to write anymore when it got taken down.

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My understanding is that when a story gets reported for under-age, it's usually suspended rather than deleted altogether. If that's correct, your friend should be able to make the necessary changes and submit that as an edit to the story, with a request for un-suspension. Even if it's been completely deleted from the site, he should be able to post it as a new story once it's been fixed up.

electricblue66 said:

It is up to the author to edit, nobody else.

It's also up to the author to adhere without any doubt to the NO UNDER EIGHTEEN rule on Literotica.

Stop writing about teenagers in high school is the only sure solution to this. Issuing disclaimers "every character is older than eighteen" when the context suggest otherwise is bullshit, to be honest. Perhaps the author needs to wait a few years, and then start writing about adults.

Let teenagers be teenagers, leave them alone to their own world of wonder. We've all been there, experienced that. It's wonderful, but not here on Lit. Write about maturity, not innocence.

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No, what's bullshit is saying 19 and having them in college-or just nineteen-and then having them talk act and dress like they're 13 and have the physical attributes of of underage children but THAT'S OKAY

why? because the author said they were 19

The hypocrisy of this site, its rule and you lemmings who act like this site really doesn't want underage is sickening. They want "wink wink' they are 20! 20 year old girls with budding breasts and not a hair anywhere on their body

Here is my two cents on this subject. The author is 100% responsible for the content of their story and to make sure they follow all the rules. Not only are the rules set in place to protect the author but also Lit. I wrote a story that talked about how a group of friends went on a camping trip together and two of them had hooked up. They where right out of high school when this story took place. The story was a decent success and I had thought about writing a prequel showing their past two years of high school but I decided to scrap that idea. I would have omitted any types of sexual encounters they would have had and just focused on their story. But I still felt it was better not to write the story. Even if the author puts "Everyone is 18 or Older" does not clear the way for inappropriate flash backs. When it comes to flash backs you still have to be very cautious of what you write. And people shouldn't go jumping on sr71plt style of writing. The amount of stories they have would make anyone's head spin.

ok just for my own clarification if a story is begun, when the characters are older and a flashback is brought in of when they were younger where the relationship began as long as there is no outright intercourse it is allowed in the writings? for example say a female age 23 senior year of college while dreamily resting in the afterglow of her and her say older brothers night of passion thinks back to when she knew she first started having these types of feelings for him, I am asking because unlike others here I have yet to post a story here and would like to be sure I have it correct in my mind

MaxMace said:

say a female age 23 senior year of college while dreamily resting in the afterglow of her and her say older brothers night of passion thinks back to when she knew she first started having these types of feelings for him, I am asking because unlike others here I have yet to post a story here and would like to be sure I have it correct in my mind

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It doesn't matter how old the character is now, it's the faintest hint of any sexual activity with any character in the story younger than eighteen that would get it rejected. Even a reminiscence like you describe, because the memory IS in an established sexual context (afterglow), that could be enough to establish a sexual context for the sixteen year old's memory (or fourteen year old's memory, whatever), and it's breached Lit Rule Number One.

No, zip, zero, zilch, nada, never, just not once - NO sexual reference to an under 18 year old.

"She lost her virginity at sixteen" will pass, but that's about it. If in doubt, either use a one liner, very brief, or up the age of your character so there is no doubt. It's why there are so many "eighteenth birthday" stories here, which is bullshit, really. To solve your problem, just write about your 23 year old. And write her as 23, not 16....

Good luck with your first story, btw.

ok one I never stated anything about her having lost her virginity then for all we know from what I wrote she lost it at 23 to her brother who she started to fall for at a younger age but it is good to know so flashbacks even if they contain no sexual context are forbidden as well,


oh and btw I never said how far back she flashed back to I just said younger but I get it it is a fine edged sword to walk

MaxMace said:

ok one I never stated anything about her having lost her virginity then for all we know from what I wrote she lost it at 23 to her brother who she started to fall for at a younger age but it is good to know so flashbacks even if they contain no sexual context are forbidden as well,

oh and btw I never said how far back she flashed back to I just said younger but I get it it is a fine edged sword to walk

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Those were examples only, to illustrate what might get over the line, what might not.

I know the only age you stated was 23. But you have got the point that nothing under 18 flys here, so that's the main thing.

MaxMace said:

ok just for my own clarification if a story is begun, when the characters are older and a flashback is brought in of when they were younger where the relationship began as long as there is no outright intercourse it is allowed in the writings? for example say a female age 23 senior year of college while dreamily resting in the afterglow of her and her say older brothers night of passion thinks back to when she knew she first started having these types of feelings for him, I am asking because unlike others here I have yet to post a story here and would like to be sure I have it correct in my mind

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No description of sex before age 18 is the rule.

To comply with that is not just no intercourse but no sexual activity at all - not even kissing or hugging.

Flashbacks to before age 18 have to be handled very carefully if the story is to be accepted, and if accepted won't get a report that sex under 18 is mentioned.

It may be unrealistic in real life but it is one of the few rules Literotica insists must be followed.

If you can't avoid writing about sexual activity before age 18 then Literotica is NOT the place to post.

My own take on the under 18 rule is, WTF? Living in the UK I'm most familiar with our laws, of course, which in Britain say the age of consent is 16; it is very similar in most of Europe, with very few going over 17 and some going as low as 14 in certain circumstances.

The other thing is my, admittedly very sketchy, understanding of the age limits for different activities in the various states of the US. For example, my understanding is that in many the age limit for drinking is 21, but you can drive (or at least cause a car to move along the road!) at 15! And folk of that age in some states can legally marry!

Yes? No?

I honestly don't know (and can't be arsed to research it to be honest, unless I ever write a story set in an American scenario).

However . . . . whatever I might think of the rule, as a writer (of sorts) wishing my scribbles to be seen by as many as want to, I adhere to them. Because that's the way it is and will no doubt continue to be, because people will sue for the most ridiculous things these days, it seems to me, and frankly - who needs that kind of shit in their life? Not me, for one.



Got a bit ranty there - sorry 'bout that!

Denny

EquinoxRising said:

Why didn't the author come voice his concern?

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Possibly because he's 15 years old and shy!

What part of 18 and older don't these people get? I'm dense but I understand.

The Mouse said:

My own take on the under 18 rule is, WTF? Living in the UK I'm most familiar with our laws, of course, which in Britain say the age of consent is 16; it is very similar in most of Europe, with very few going over 17 and some going as low as 14 in certain circumstances.

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Once more, for clarity - the prevailing law in any country isn't the thing here - it's a privately owned site that has stated its own policy - no sexual activity with any character younger than eighteen.

Whether the site 100% polices or adheres to this policy is a separate debate (just to head LC off at the pass), but if you push the line or are blatant about under 18 you are likely to get your story rejected.

If you find another story that breaks the rule, don't assume, "oh that writer got away with it, therefore so can I." Report it, and let Laurel make the judgement. She's the editor here, her rules. Reporting a story isn't bad, consider it your contribution to keeping some moral standards here at Lit.

Apart from the exceptions, most writers seem to get the rule. It's not hard to understand, not really.

Seems to me that age of consent for sexual activity isn't the issue. A sixteen-year old may be able to consent to sex in any particular state, but no one can put that same sixteen-year-old in a nude photo spread or a pornographic film.

From 18 U.S.C. § 2251:

Additionally, the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state is irrelevant; any depiction of a minor under 18 years of age engaging in sexually explicit conduct is illegal.

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Note the word "depiction," unmodified by adjectives like "visual."

On another note: WTF? Is that dipshit science teacher from TN who kidnapped his little Lolita on here? Write stories about adults for people with healthy adult appetites.

This seems to be a perennial debate. As far as I'm concerned, the complete prohibition on under-18 sex seems totally daft, particularly when you bear in mind the other content (incest, racpe etc) that is allowed. BUT I accept and understand that this is a privately run website and the owner has rules. If you don't like those rules, try and publish your stuff elsewhere. It's not that hard to comprehend.

What is dimshit is thinking it's a debate. It's a requirement on a privately owned Web site. If the rules here were that nothing was allowed depicting anything with polka dots, it was still be the requirement here--no debate.