I like Ships too

How do you explain Asian plants and animals in Central America when the Europeans arrived?

Or the maps that showed Australia and the West Indies prior to European discovery of those areas?

Or the archaeological evidence in Australia of ships made from wood only found in Asia that date to the 1400s?


Australia is one thing; the West Indies is something else entirely. There are a lot of possibilities including, but not limited to, the Portuguese and the Polynesians— not to mention "persons unknown."

It's been at least eight years since I read the damn thing. Basically, what I remember is concluding, "I don't buy it."


 


Lordy, how many times have I ridden this damn thing or its predecessors across Pillsbury Sound to Cruz Bay?


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Mister B

 




Jezuuuuzzzzz, what the hell does she have a line on? It almost looks like a caisson leg of a semi-submersible drilling rig. It's not but I'll be damned if I can figure out what that thing is.


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Robert E. McAllister
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This is a helluva an image from the Healy's webcam. What is that bright light on the horizon ?

The position is given as N 64° 23.5' W 165° 45.2' which would put her 11 nautical miles ( or 21 km) from Nome.

Wikipedia gives Nome's position as: N 64°30′14″ W 165°23′58″

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Just another uneventful and boring day at sea...




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The luxury cruise ship Costa Concordia leans on its starboard side off the port at Giglio after running aground on the tiny Tuscan island of Giglio, Italy, Saturday, Jan. 14, 2012. The luxury cruise ship ran aground off the coast of Tuscany, sending water pouring in through a 160-foot (50-meter) gash in the hull and forcing the evacuation of some 4,200 people from the listing vessel early Saturday, the Italian coast guard said. The number of dead and injured is not yet confirmed Coast Guard Cmdr. Francesco Paolillo said. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)

'Titanic' Chaos After Italian Cruise Ship Grounds
by The Associated Press


Divers have been searching the submerged part of a luxury cruise liner that went aground off the Italian coast in case any of 70 people unaccounted for might be trapped inside, a coast guard official said Saturday, as passengers described a terrifying and chaotic evacuation.

Three bodies were recovered from the sea after the Costa Concordia ran aground off the tiny island of Giglio near the coast of Tuscany late Friday, tearing a 160-foot gash in its hull and sending in a rush of water.

Survivors who escaped the ship said they crawled along upended hallways trying to reach safety as plates and glasses crashed. Authorities say there are still 70 people of the 4,234 on board who are still unaccounted for amid the confusion.

Capt. Cosimo Nicastro cautioned there is no firm indication anyone is inside the ship, but he said since sea searches yielded neither bodies nor survivors, there is a possibility those unaccounted for are in "the belly of the ship" some 18 hours after the it apparently hit a reef near Giglio island — then lurched over on its side.

Passengers described a scene reminiscent of "Titanic", complaining the crew failed to give instructions on how to evacuate and once the emergency became clear, delayed lowering the lifeboats until the ship was listing too heavily for many of them to be released.

Authorities have been checking names against the passenger list, but have had a hard time accounting for everyone. Helicopters whisked some to safety, some survivors were rescued by private boats in the area, and witnesses said some people jumped from the ship into the dark, cold sea.

By morning Saturday, the ship was lying virtually flat off Gigio's coast, its starboard side submerged in the water and the huge gash showing clearly on its upturned hull.

Authorities still hadn't counted all the survivors by the time they reached mainland 12 hours later.

The evacuation drill was only scheduled for Saturday afternoon, even though some passengers had already been on board for several days.

"It was so unorganized, our evacuation drill was scheduled for 5 p.m.," said Melissa Goduti, 28, of Wallingford, Connecticut, who had set out on the cruise of the Mediterranean hours earlier. "We had joked 'What if something had happened today?'"

"Have you seen 'Titanic?' That's exactly what it was," said Valerie Ananias, 31, a schoolteacher from Los Angeles who was traveling with her sister and parents on the first of two cruises around the Mediterranean. They all bore dark red bruises on their knees from the desperate crawl they endured along nearly vertical hallways and stairwells, trying to reach rescue boats.

"We were crawling up a hallway, in the dark, with only the light from the life vest strobe flashing," her mother, Georgia Ananias, 61 said. "We could hear plates and dishes crashing, people slamming against walls."

She choked up as she recounted the moment when an Argentine couple handed her their 3-year-old daughter, unable to keep their balance as the ship lurched to the side and the family found themselves standing on a wall. "He said 'take my baby,'" Mrs. Ananias said, covering her mouth with her hand as she teared up. "I grabbed the baby. But then I was being pushed down. I didn't want the baby to fall down the stairs. I gave the baby back. I couldn't hold her.

"I thought that was the end and I thought they should be with their baby," she said.

"I wonder where they are," daughter Valerie whispered.

The family said they were some of the last off the ship, forced to shimmy along a rope down the exposed side of the ship to a waiting rescue vessel below.

Survivor Christine Hammer, from Bonn, Germany, shivered near the harbor of Porto Santo Stefano, on the mainland, after stepping off a ferry from Giglio. She was wearing elegant dinner clothes — a gray cashmere sweater, a silk scarf — along with a large pair of hiking boots, which a kind islander gave her after she lost her shoes in the scramble to escape. Left behind in her cabin were her passport, credit cards and phone.

Hammer, 65, told The Associated Press that she was eating her first course, an appetizer of cuttlefish, sauteed mushrooms and salad, on her first night aboard her first-ever cruise, which was a gift to her and her husband, Gert, from her local church where she volunteers.

Suddenly, "we heard a crash. Glasses and plates fell down and we went out of the dining room and we were told it wasn't anything dangerous," she said.

Several passengers concurred, saying crew members for a good 45 minutes told passengers there was a simple "technical problem" that had caused the lights to go off. Seasoned cruisers, however, knew better and went to get their life jackets from their cabins and report to their "muster stations," the emergency stations each passenger is assigned to, they said.

Once there, though, crew members delayed lowering the lifeboats even thought the ship was listing badly, they said.

"We had to scream at the controllers to release the boats from the side," said Mike van Dijk, a 54-year-old from Pretoria, South Africa. "We were standing in the corridors and they weren't allowing us to get onto the boats. It was a scramble, an absolute scramble."

Passengers Alan and Laurie Willits from Wingham, Ontario, celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary, said they were watching the magic show in the ship's main theater when they felt an inital lurch, as if from a severe steering maneuver, followed a few seconds later by a "shudder" that tipped trash cans over. The subsequent listing of the ship made the theater curtains seem like they were standing on their side.

"And then the magician disappeared," Laurie Willits said, saying the magician left the stage and panicked audience members fled for their cabins as well.

Once at their life boat station, crew members directed passengers to go upstairs from the fourth floor deck; Alan Willits said he refused.

"I said 'no this isn't right.' And I came out and I argued 'When you get this boat stabilized, I'll go up to the fifth floor then," he said. Eventually, his lifeboat was lowered down.

But things didn't improve for passengers once aboard the lifeboats or on land.

"No one counted us, neither in the life boats nor on land," said Ophelie Gondelle, 28, a French military officer from Marseille. She said there had been no evacuation drill since she boarded in Marseille, France on Jan. 8.

A top Costa executive, Gianni Onorato, said Saturday on Giglio the Concordia's captain had the liner on its regular, weekly route when it struck a reef.

"The ship was doing what it does 52 times a year, going along the route between Civitavecchia and Savona," a shaken-looking Onorato, who is Costa's director general, told reporters. The captain is an 11-year Costa veteran, he said.

He said Costa was cooperating with Italian investigators to find out what went wrong.

Paolillo said it wasn't immediately known if the dead were passengers or crew, nor were the nationalities of the victims immediately known. It wasn't clear how they died.

Some 30 people were reported injured, most of them suffering only bruises, but at least two people were reported in grave condition. Several passengers came off the ferries on stretchers, but it appeared more out of exhaustion and shock than serious injury.

Some passengers, apparently in panic, had jumped off the boat into the sea, witnesses said. Authorities were trying to obtain a full passenger and crew list from Costa, so they could do a roll call to determine who might be missing.

The evacuees were taking refuge in schools, hotels, and a church on the tiny island of Giglio, a popular vacation isle about 18 miles off Italy's central west coast. Those evacuated the port of Porto Santo Stefano on the nearby mainland.

Passengers sat dazed in a middle school opened for them, wrapped in wool or aluminum blankets, with some wearing their life preservers and their shoeless feet covered with aluminum foil. Civil protection crews served them warm tea and bread, but confusion reigned supreme as passengers tried desperately to find the right bus to begin their journey home.

Tanja Berto, from Ebenfurth, Austria, was shuttled from one line to another with her mother and 2-year-old son Bruno, trying to figure out how to get back to Savona, where they began their cruise a week ago.

"It's his birthday today," she said of her son, rolling her eyes as she held Bruno and tended to her mother, who had grown faint and was lying on the ground. "Happy birthday, Bruno."

Survivors far outnumbered Giglio's 1,500 residents, and island Mayor Sergio Ortelli issued an appeal for islanders — "anyone with a roof" — to open their homes to shelter the evacuees.

Paolillo said the exact circumstances of the accident were still unclear, but that the first alarm went off about 10:30 p.m., about three hours after the Concordia had begun its voyage from the port of Civitavecchia, en route to its first port of call, Savona, in northwestern Italy.

The coast guard official, speaking from the port captain's office in the Tuscan port of Livorno, said the vessel "hit an obstacle" — it wasn't clear if it might have hit a rocky reef in the waters off Giglio — "ripping a gash 50 meters (160 feet) across" in the side of the ship, and started taking on water.

The cruise liner's captain, Paolillo said, then tried to steer his ship toward shallow waters, near Giglio's small port, to make evacuation by lifeboat easier. But after the ship started listing badly, lifeboat evacuation was no longer feasible, Paolillo said.

Five helicopters, from the coast guard, navy and air force, were taking turns airlifting survivors still aboard and ferrying them to safely. A coast guard member was airlifted aboard the vessel to help people get aboard a small basket so they could be hoisted up to the helicopter, said Capt. Cosimo Nicastro, another Coast Guard official.

Costa Cruises said the Costa Concordia was sailing on a cruise across the Mediterranean Sea, starting from Civitavecchia with scheduled calls to Savona, Marseille, Barcelona, Palma de Mallorca, Cagliari and Palermo.

It said about 1,000 Italian passengers were onboard, as well as more than 500 Germans, about 160 French and about 1,000 crew members.

The Concordia had a previous accident in Italian waters, ANSA reported. In 2008, when strong winds buffeted Palermo, the cruise ship banged against the Sicilian port's dock, and suffered damage but no one was injured, ANSA said.


http://www.npr.org/2012/01/13/145204913/cruise-ship-aground-off-italy-deaths-reported

 
Concordia is rock collecting... Don't get to see these view normally but for when a ships in dry dock.

Had to imagine the terror one feels when a ship screeches and then starts to list to port/starboard.

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It's our old buddy Sol.



Are you sure? When I look at the image, it seems to me that the sun has to be off to the left (with the bright portion of the sky) and that the bright light on the right horizon has to be either an aid to navigation, a nav light (could it be the tanker?) or a celestial object ( i.e., a planet or a star ).


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Are you sure? When I look at the image, it seems to me that the sun has to be off to the left (with the bright portion of the sky) and that the bright light on the right horizon has to be either an aid to navigation, a nav light (could it be the tanker?) or a celestial object ( i.e., a planet or a star ).


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Oh, that light. Looked like a speck on the lens at first. Prolly the tanker light. Or the moon. The moon is pretty bright on winter days, up here. Looks low to be a 737 on approach to OME.
 
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Sumbitch; I didn't realize this was a Carnival flag. I'll be damned. Whoever was doing the piloting and the navigating is gonna have some serious 'splaining to do.




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Cruise Ship Capsizes Off Italy, at Least 3 Dead
By Marco Bertacche
January 14, 2012


At least three people were killed and about 70 are missing after a Carnival Corp. (CCL) cruise ship ran aground near the island of Giglio off the Tuscan coast of Italy.

One seriously injured passenger was transported to Siena’s hospital after the incident late yesterday, the Region of Tuscany said on its website ( http://www.costacrociere.it/B2C/I/Info/concordia_statement.htm ). Rescuers worked all night as more than 4,000 of the 4,229 passengers and crew aboard were evacuated from the Costa Concordia after it started to take on water and tipped over, the country’s Civil Protection agency said on its website.

Those unaccounted for could still be inside the ship, Alessandro Nicastro, a spokesman for Italy’s Coast Guard said on the SkyTG24 news channel. Italian media reported that the ship hit rocks as dinner was being served, sending plates and glasses crashing. Passengers said the situation on board was reminiscent of the film “Titanic,” as the vessel listed and people rushed to find lifeboats.

The Costa Concordia belongs to Miami-based Carnival's Costa Crociere line. Carnival is the world's largest cruise- shipping line. Carnival shares fell 2.5 percent in New York trading yesterday, valuing the company at $27.8 billion. The stock has declined 26 percent over the last year.

Cabin steward Deodato Ordona told the British Broadcasting Corp. there was a “roaring sound” before the ship began to tilt. He said the vessel tilted to the left and then the right before the captain announced an order to abandon ship.

Passengers Jump
There were 3,200 passengers on the ship, comprising 1,000 Italians, 500 Germans, 160 French and 250 from the U.S., Costa Corciere said on its website. Emergency procedures started immediately though were impeded by the ship’s listing, it said in a statement. The cause of the incident cannot be confirmed, it said.

Many passengers jumped off the ship as rescue operations were ongoing at 3 a.m. local time, la Repubblica reported on its website.

Fabio Costa, a cruise ship shop worker, said it took the crew a long time to launch the lifeboats as the vessel had listed so much.

“We just saw a huge rock, that was probably where the ship hit, and people were having huge trouble trying to get on the lifeboats,” Costa told the BBC. “So at that point we didn’t know what to do so it took hours for people to get off the ship. It was easier for people to jump into the sea because we were on the same level as that water so some people pretty much just decided to swim as they were not able to get on the lifeboats.”

‘Falling Overboard’
Rose Metcalf, a 22-year-old British dancer who had been performing on the ship and who was winched to safety by a helicopter, told her father it had “felt like the sinking of the Titanic.” 31 “The ship rolled over on its side so they had to get a fire-hose which they strung between the railings to stop them falling overboard,” Philip Metcalf told the BBC in an interview after speaking with his daughter.

“She thought she’d have to make a jump for it as it was dark and cold, like the sinking of the Titanic, but the helicopter then winched her off,” Metcalf said.

The vessel had sailed at 7 p.m. yesterday from Civitavecchia near Rome, Costa Crociere said. Its itinerary was to include scheduled calls at the Mediterranean ports of Savona, Marseille, Barcelona, Palma de Mallorca, Cagliari and Palermo.

“Our thoughts are with guests and crew of the Costa Concordia,” Carnival said in a Twitter message. “We are keeping them in our hearts in the wake of this very sad event.”



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...aground-off-italy-killing-at-least-three.html
 
is it not very unusual for a ship like that to be 4 miles off-course in calm seas? why should the pilot have taken her there? :confused:
 
Perhaps Joe Hazelwood was the captain?
way over my head, there, thør. who's JH? oh, wait - i'd be fibbing if i said i was really that interested. i was only wondering if this sort of thing was nothing out of the usual or if it was really quite strange. not being a person used to taking cruises i wouldn't have a clue!
 
way over my head, there, thør. who's JH? oh, wait - i'd be fibbing if i said i was really that interested. i was only wondering if this sort of thing was nothing out of the usual or if it was really quite strange. not being a person used to taking cruises i wouldn't have a clue!

The captain of the Exxon Valdez when she ripped open on Bligh Reef in Price William Sound.
 
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