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I suspect that plenty of folks find Gay the same way they find Jesus.
Oh, I think that finding gay is a whole lot more down to earth and less spiritual than finding Jesus. (Not that I think that either one ever was particularly lost.)
I suspect that plenty of folks find Gay the same way they find Jesus.
Both are common in prison it seems.
I apologize for adding to the confusion. My point there wasn't that having blue eyes relates to sexual hardwiring. My point in that instance was responding to Slyc's question: "Wouldn't you rather believe you have a choice?"I think you're adding to the confusion 3113. What does the color of your eyes have to do with your sexuality?
I apologize for adding to the confusion. My point there wasn't that having blue eyes relates to sexual hardwiring. My point in that instance was responding to Slyc's question: "Wouldn't you rather believe you have a choice?"
Whatever you want to believe, the truth is that a LOT of who and what we are IS hardwired into us from the beginning. Which doesn't mean we have no choice--but it does mean we have limited choices. Almost universally, homosexuals insist that they knew their sexual orientation by age five. And they couldn't change it, and all the experiences they had in their pre-teens and teens doesn't alter what they knew at age five.
I don't need to wait around for the majority scientific study report to believe what I do on that. Observation, experience, and common sense seve well enough.
Forgive the perhaps unfortunate (but I think apt) example here, but here's what I see as the difference in regards to what we can believe we have a choice in and change--and what isn't going to change no matter how much we want to believe we can change it: I can say: "If I work out a little every day I can do the marathon next spring..." I can believe this because there are plenty of ways to build up my endurance so that I can walk, hobble or push myself in a wheelchair those 26 miles. It might take all day--but it's doable if I'm willing to work out and change my health habits.
But If I say, "If I run for a little very day I can win the marathon"...that's different. That relies on a lot of factors that I have no choice in--like youth, health, athleticism, etc. I can pretty much guarantee that however much I might wish to believe I have the choice of winning the marathon, and however hard I work at it--the reality is I ain't going to win the marathon. Not unless everyone ahead of me comes down with leg cramps. There are young, professional, hard-core runners that I couldn't match when I was in my prime, let alone now. Ain't gonna happen.
What I would rather believe I have the choice to do isn't going to change that. It is what it is--at least until I get a pair of bionic legs or a brain transplant into a much more athletic body
ETA: I am ending my involvement in this thread with this post. I have stated my beliefs, explained and defended them, and see no reason to prolong the debate. I respect all other beliefs and theories, but I hold to what I have stated.
You may now resume your standard misandrist arguments.
Is that what you think her point was? Interesting.So, your basic snit is that you have encountered two men who basically agree on this issue. Interesting.
Is that what you think her point was? Interesting.