NRA bans guns at their forum attended by Mike Pence

[Blue]

I usually prefer to post my news but this was so rich I just had to make a thread.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) enacts a weapons ban at one of their forums attended by Vice-President Mike Pence. Citing Pence's safety as the reason for the ban.

"Due to the attendance of the Vice-President of the United States, the US Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum,"

"As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance."

One supporter of the decision wrote on TexasCHLforum, a forum for gun owners, in response to gun owners criticizing the NRA for its apparent double standard:

"Expecting them to speak at a large gathering of armed, UNVETTED people with no checks on their background or mental state is literally the dumbest thing I have read on this forum in a while."

No commentary needed, it speaks for itself.

 

[Hypoxia]

Politicians are golden.
Students and civilians are shit.
Protect what's valuable.

 

[dan_c00000]

Remember gun free zones always lead to mass killings.

 

[NickStJohn]

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[JackLuis]

Every Delegate should be required to be armed, it's the only way prove the NRA's propaganda!

 

[Hypoxia]

Every Delegate should be required to be armed, it's the only way prove the NRA's propaganda!

But since they're the National RIFLE association, all must be armed with rifles -- carbines at least. None of that pussy handgun shit. ANY fucking moron can (and does) carry a handgun. It takes a fucking PATRIOT to handle the longer stuff. An NRA fest without rifles is like a Girl Scout convention without cookies. Inconceivable!

 

[phrodeau]

Someone will pop a balloon and trigger forty-seven heart attacks.

 

[Blue]

I want to get Coachdb and Botanyboy's take on this.

 

[dan_c00000]

I wonder if that means the Secret Service will be carrying billy clubs.

 

[nkycatsfan]

In today's world, neither side's constituents ever checks snopes before running with whatever fits their narrative.

The Secret Service issued a prohibition on weapons due to the VP (and potentially President) being there to speak. Like any other venue that hosts either as a speaker.

 

[KeithD]

But . . . but . . . why would the gun-supporting VP and president want protections they won't support giving to those going to a school, or church, or a movie, or a concert? Are you saying you don't see the hypocrisy here? Why does the president tolerate the Secret Service ban? Why is there a Secret Service ban for gun-supporters?

The NRA has shown to be a subversive organization, aiding the Russians in undermining the American system. Why is the Secret Service letting the VP speak there at all? Why would the VP support a subversive organization funneling Russian money into subverting U.S. elections by speaking at an NRA function at all?

Why would anyone need to consult Snopes to figure this one out?

 

[milehighcityman]

But . . . but . . . why would the gun-supporting VP and president want protections they won't support giving to those going to a school, or church, or a movie, or a concert? Are you saying you don't see the hypocrisy here? Why does the president tolerate the Secret Service ban? Why is there a Secret Service ban for gun-supporters?

The NRA has shown to be a subversive organization, aiding the Russians in undermining the American system. Why is the Secret Service letting the VP speak there at all? Why would the VP support a subversive organization funneling Russian money into subverting U.S. elections by speaking at an NRA function at all?

Why would anyone need to consult Snopes to figure this one out?

There is no evidence the NRA funneled Russian money into the election. The NRA acknowledged that a dozen or so Russians paid fees to the NRA, which there is nothing wrong with and those amounts were minuscule and never used for political purposes.

 

[milehighcityman]

In today's world, neither side's constituents ever checks snopes before running with whatever fits their narrative.

The Secret Service issued a prohibition on weapons due to the VP (and potentially President) being there to speak. Like any other venue that hosts either as a speaker.

What's pathetic is that the major media fully knew and understand this when they ran their stories, then waited a day and a half before "updating" their stories. This is a prime example of "fake news."

 

[KeithD]

There is no evidence the NRA funneled Russian money into the election.

Bullshit. You just don't want to see it.

 

[KeithD]

What's pathetic is that the major media fully knew and understand this when they ran their stories, then waited a day and a half before "updating" their stories. This is a prime example of "fake news."

They seem to be learning the Trump technique. The optics on this are really fun. This could be added to the "can give it but can't take it" category along with Trump's failure to attend the correspondents' dinner.

 

[phrodeau]

What's pathetic is that the major media fully knew and understand this when they ran their stories, then waited a day and a half before "updating" their stories. This is a prime example of "fake news."

It was announced by the NRA on the NRA's website.

 

[phrodeau]

Now Trump will be speaking at the convention. I wonder if Pence will bow out, after his botch job in Arizona.

 

[lynn-23]

I can't imagine you could bring guns to a VP speech anywhere

 

[nkycatsfan]

I can't imagine you could bring guns to a VP speech anywhere

Exactly...having been to a few appearances by a VP or President over the years, the security is insanely tight by protocol.

 

[KeithD]

The point is that that is contrary to the loose carry laws and support for "own your own AR-15" that the NRA is campaigning for.

Are you folks really that dense? You think that either Pense or Trump are going to speak to the NRA to tell them they have to love their weapons less than they love other people's right to live?

 

[Veroe]

So let me get this straight the NRA can't trust a bunch of good guys with guns in the same room as a Vice President of an administration they largely agree with.

 

[phrodeau]

So let me get this straight the NRA can't trust a bunch of good guys with guns in the same room as a Vice President of an administration they largely agree with.

It's not the NRA, but the Secret Service demanding that Americans have to give up their guns around Pence and Trump.

During the campaign, there were lots of these pictures being sent around, pointing out the supposed hypocrisy of politicians favoring gun control while being surrounded by gun-carrying guards. Well, now we have gun-rights supporting politicians doing the exact same thing - surrounding themselves with gun-carrying guards and wanting everyone else disarmed.

 

[EllieTalbot]

Why is this even a thing?

Some of the biggest proponents of gun control are celebrities and politicians who have armed bodyguards. Some of the biggest proponents of second amendment rights eschew firearms at their conventions. In both cases you're dealing with people who have an unusual amount of notoriety and live in heightened danger.

I don't see how either group is worth demonizing or sneering at. They're just exercising common sense; any hypocrisy involved is incidental.

Shrugging in Shreveport,
Ellie

 

[Blue]

Why is this even a thing?

Some of the biggest proponents of gun control are celebrities and politicians who have armed bodyguards. Some of the biggest proponents of second amendment rights eschew firearms at their conventions. In both cases you're dealing with people who have an unusual amount of notoriety and live in heightened danger.

I don't see how either group is worth demonizing or sneering at. They're just exercising common sense; any hypocrisy involved is incidental.

Shrugging in Shreveport,
Ellie

It's worth sneering at because the entire argument of the NRA and Trump's administration when it comes to gun control is that more guns make everybody more safe. Their actions directly contradict what they claim they believe. If they actually believed what they say and aren't just making up dumb rhetoric to boost gun sales they would allow as many guns around them as possible.

 

[EllieTalbot]

It's worth sneering at because the entire argument of the NRA and Trump's administration when it comes to gun control is that more guns make everybody more safe. Their actions directly contradict what they claim they believe. If they actually believed what they say and aren't just making up dumb rhetoric to boost gun sales they would allow as many guns around them as possible.

Then you're also obliged to sneer at anti-gun celebrities because their entire argument is that everyone is safer without guns, but their actions contradict what they claim to believe. They're fine with making gun violence cool onscreen and surrounding themselves with armed guards. If they actually believed what they say they wouldn't allow guns in their lives, much less use them to boost ticket sales.

As far as hypocrisy goes, it's a draw, and therefore a useless observation.

Just Sayin' in Joliet,
Ellie