Will the FISA memo turn into Obama's Watergate?

[TalkRadio]

We already know that during the 2016 presidential election, the FBI and Justice Department acquired a secret warrant to spy on U.S. citizen Carter Page, a volunteer adviser to the Trump campaign. The warrant application was based on an “opposition research” file paid for by the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton through her lawyer. This fact, that the file was paid for by the candidate and party running against Donald Trump, was not disclosed by the FBI or Justice Department to the secret FISA court judge to whom that warrant application was made.

It was also never disclosed that the author of the file was a former British intelligence officer with close ties to Moscow, who had been deemed by the FBI to be “unreliable” and who was known — at the highest levels of the Justice Department — to be “desperate” to ensure that Trump never became president. In other words, the FBI and Justice Department knowingly hid exculpatory evidence from the surveillance court in order to be able to start spying on a member of the Trump team.

The fact that the political left seems so comfortable with this scenario, or wishes to minimize and deride these initial findings, is the strangest part of the story so far. For decades, from Watergate through to the Pentagon Papers, and right up to Army Pvt. Bradley Manning, it is the left that has perennially demanded full disclosure and made resistance to the abuses of government power a central plank of its message.

Are crimes only crimes if a right-wing administration commits them? With perjury and obstruction of justice having already been demonstrated under the Obama administration, all that is left now is to see whether the Justice Department still wears a blindfold.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/373029-will-the-fisa-memo-turn-into-obamas-watergate

 

[BeeZeBody]

No, the NIGGER is immune

 

[Hypoxia]

ObTopic: No.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Considering Steele was never considered "unreliable" and was, in fact, considered a very good source of information, the answer is no.

Especially considering it's the con artist who keeps trying to obstruct the investigation. Just like Nixon.

 

[St_mAnn]

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/373029-will-the-fisa-memo-turn-into-obamas-watergate

Yes, Obama will be forced to resign.

 

[lovecraft68]

No and for one reason.

Watergate came at a time when the media sought, fought and worked for the truth.

Today's media has an agenda, a far left agenda. Obama could be proven a murderer and the story would be squashed in favor of "Did you hear Trump's shirt was wrinkled?"

 

[KTrout23]

No.

 

[patient1]

No.

I'm all for repealing The Patriot Act. However, if we're to have such a thing as a FISA Act, and make no mistake, The Honarable Devon Nunes supported FISA Act 2018 passage the day before he released his controversial memo, rather than release it in time to undercut FISA re-authorization.

The FBI would be derelict if they weren't watching Carter Page, who was e-mailing a Russian spy in the Russian language, giving them documents, and bragging that he was an informal advisor to the Kremlin. The Russians were grooming him as a source.

I think the underlying problem is that when Trump goes looking for "the best people," he's all about loyalty pledges, and background checks are merely media searches for ant-Trump remarks.

 

[Hypoxia]

I think the underlying problem is that when Trump goes looking for "the best people," he's all about loyalty pledges, and background checks are merely media searches for ant-Trump remarks.

Tromp's background: He starred in a reality TV show. He ran a family corporation that marketed his name. He made many shady deals with crooks, foreign and domestic. He's always valued loyalty over competence or honesty. The loyal are hard to replace, no matter their criminality. Sounds like a mafia Don, hey?

 

[Comshaw]

No and for one reason.

Watergate came at a time when the media sought, fought and worked for the truth.

Today's media has an agenda, a far left agenda. Obama could be proven a murderer and the story would be squashed in favor of "Did you hear Trump's shirt was wrinkled?"

Yea, he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and no one would notice huh? Wait, I think I've heard someone else claim that for himself......



Comshqaw

 

[patient1]

Tromp's background: He starred in a reality TV show. He ran a family corporation that marketed his name. He made many shady deals with crooks, foreign and domestic. He's always valued loyalty over competence or honesty. The loyal are hard to replace, no matter their criminality. Sounds like a mafia Don, hey?

Indeed.

 

[coachdb18]

Obama will forever be protected from his treason, cause he's got this.....

 

[bellisarius]

No.

I'm all for repealing The Patriot Act. However, if we're to have such a thing as a FISA Act, and make no mistake, The Honarable Devon Nunes supported FISA Act 2018 passage the day before he released his controversial memo, rather than release it in time to undercut FISA re-authorization.

The FBI would be derelict if they weren't watching Carter Page, who was e-mailing a Russian spy in the Russian language, giving them documents, and bragging that he was an informal advisor to the Kremlin. The Russians were grooming him as a source.

I think the underlying problem is that when Trump goes looking for "the best people," he's all about loyalty pledges, and background checks are merely media searches for ant-Trump remarks.

Tromp's background: He starred in a reality TV show. He ran a family corporation that marketed his name. He made many shady deals with crooks, foreign and domestic. He's always valued loyalty over competence or honesty. The loyal are hard to replace, no matter their criminality. Sounds like a mafia Don, hey?

Let's start with the fact that Trump doesn't hire everyone in the administration. It's apparent that he does delegate.

But what I want to address primarily is the whole media/reality aspect. It was the media that made Trump a media celebrity. And Trump being in the business he is went about 'branding' himself. It's just plain good business. In that respect he's no different than Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Walt Disney. And actually Disney would be the best model here. Disneyland could have just as well been named, "Big Fucking Amusement Park." Branding is a significant aspect of success. Regarding loyalty over competence, if that were the criteria Trump would have been homeless long ago. Conversely if competence were placed above loyalty then he, and all of those previously mentioned, would still have been homeless. No organization, no matter how big or small, can suffer incompetence nor their employees working against them and survive.

 

[Luk]

It was the media that made Trump a media celebrity.

Which time are you talking about? The 80's, The Apprentice, or the new reality shit show?

 

[Hypoxia]

Let's start with the fact that Trump doesn't hire everyone in the administration. It's apparent that he does delegate.

He doesn't hire. He doesn't fire. But he's responsible for those who do. The buck stops at his desk. He can't blame subordinates. It's on him.

But what I want to address primarily is the whole media/reality aspect. It was the media that made Trump a media celebrity. And Trump being in the business he is went about 'branding' himself. It's just plain good business. In that respect he's no different than Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Walt Disney.

Disney built just one theme park in his lifetime IIRC, the original in Anaheim, down the road from Knott's Berry Farm and the California Alligator Farm where I took a ride as a child. I've not noticed many Jobs, Gates, or Buffet theme parks, universities, towers, golf resorts, steaks, reality TV shows, They marketed products, not smoke.

Regarding loyalty over competence, if that were the criteria Trump would have been homeless long ago.

Tromp need only have placed his inheritance in bonds and gone surfing, and he'd be richer than now. He apparently learned loyalty and his business style from Roy Cohn, who managed to get his boss Joe McCarthy kicked out of the Senate. Nice choice, Donnie. Competence is a good idea sometimes.

 

[Hypoxia]

You're still around, traitor? Turn yourself in now. Justice approaches.

Obama will forever be protected from his treason...

Obama is protected because he didn't give aid and comfort to declared enemies waging war on the US, unlike yourself, who has called for a warring state to stage a nuclear attack on the United States.

Keep squawking and flailing, traitor. The fox is closing in.

 

[St_mAnn]

Obama will forever be protected from his treason, cause he's got this.....

I saw that somebody mentioned MENSA when referring to you in another thread. I now see that was obvious satire. I will catch on, I'm still pretty new around here.

 

[patient1]

Let's start with the fact that Trump doesn't hire everyone in the administration. It's apparent that he does delegate.

I'm not sure he's very good at that either. He delegated the transition and screening to Christie. Christie said they couldn't hire Flynn. Trump fired Christie, hired Flynn, and apparently fired Comey out of loyalty to Flynn. Now Flynn apparently flipped on Trump. I think it will come back to bite him pretty hard, whether he admits responsibility or not.

But what I want to address primarily is the whole media/reality aspect. It was the media that made Trump a media celebrity. And Trump being in the business he is went about 'branding' himself. It's just plain good business. In that respect he's no different than Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Walt Disney. And actually Disney would be the best model here. Disneyland could have just as well been named, "Big Fucking Amusement Park." Branding is a significant aspect of success. Regarding loyalty over competence, if that were the criteria Trump would have been homeless long ago. Conversely if competence were placed above loyalty then he, and all of those previously mentioned, would still have been homeless. No organization, no matter how big or small, can suffer incompetence nor their employees working against them and survive.

Sure, Trump is more of a brand than a real estate developer. Judging by the volume of leaks and mistakes in the first year, I guess the Trump Administration is a doomed organization.

 

[bellisarius]

I'm not sure he's very good at that either. He delegated the transition and screening to Christie. Christie said they couldn't hire Flynn. Trump fired Christie, hired Flynn, and apparently fired Comey out of loyalty to Flynn. Now Flynn apparently flipped on Trump. I think it will come back to bite him pretty hard, whether he admits responsibility or not.



Sure, Trump is more of a brand than a real estate developer. Judging by the volume of leaks and mistakes in the first year, I guess the Trump Administration is a doomed organization.

Do you think that "leaks" speak to loyalty? That begins to make my case.

Mistakes? Damn right, and I, for one, am pleased. Trump, just as I posted long ago, is a disruptor, a game changer. A high risk play subject to fits and starts. Through it all his approval numbers keep rising. While the media focuses on the minutiae, especially what in their opinion is bad, overall he's been surprisingly effective. You may disagree with what he's been effective at, but you'd be hard pressed to deny the results.

One of the points here is that for years the media has decided that they get to define what is presidential. Why is that? Are the rules, "as long as you play the game we got your back?" It's beginning to appear that that's the case.

So if you want to discuss his policies, pro or con, fine. But if it's coming down to a discussion as to whether you think Maria Carey's urban yodeling is the bee's knee's or not, count me out.

 

[St_mAnn]

Could his numbers have gone lower?

 

[patient1]

Do you think that "leaks" speak to loyalty? That begins to make my case.

Mistakes? Damn right, and I, for one, am pleased. Trump, just as I posted long ago, is a disruptor, a game changer. A high risk play subject to fits and starts. Through it all his approval numbers keep rising. While the media focuses on the minutiae, especially what in their opinion is bad, overall he's been surprisingly effective. You may disagree with what he's been effective at, but you'd be hard pressed to deny the results.

One of the points here is that for years the media has decided that they get to define what is presidential. Why is that? Are the rules, "as long as you play the game we got your back?" It's beginning to appear that that's the case.

So if you want to discuss his policies, pro or con, fine. But if it's coming down to a discussion as to whether you think Maria Carey's urban yodeling is the bee's knee's or not, count me out.

Yes, leaks speak to loyalty, and I mostly wasn't disagreeing. I think your post about Trump as disruptor circles back to what I said in the" Trump + or - ? " thread where I said it depends what the lasting change is. Or whether gov of, by and for Goldman Sachs perseveres.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Let's start with the fact that Trump doesn't hire everyone in the administration. It's apparent that he does delegate.

But what I want to address primarily is the whole media/reality aspect. It was the media that made Trump a media celebrity. And Trump being in the business he is went about 'branding' himself. It's just plain good business. In that respect he's no different than Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Walt Disney. And actually Disney would be the best model here. Disneyland could have just as well been named, "Big Fucking Amusement Park." Branding is a significant aspect of success. Regarding loyalty over competence, if that were the criteria Trump would have been homeless long ago. Conversely if competence were placed above loyalty then he, and all of those previously mentioned, would still have been homeless. No organization, no matter how big or small, can suffer incompetence nor their employees working against them and survive.

Keeping in mind that Trump lost money at a casino. Let that sink in.

 

[Hypoxia]

One of the points here is that for years the media has decided that they get to define what is presidential.

No, the Constitution defines the office. The elected job of POTUS is to preside over (control) the Executive branch. If he can't exercise control, he's flubbed his job. That's pretty simple and needs little explication.

BTW the word FREEDOM, meaning "do what you wanna do without limits" (unlike LIBERTY, which requires responsibility) occurs exactly once in the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law... abridging the FREEDOM of speech, or of the press..." All media and individuals are constitutionally FREE to define the presidency any fucking way they wish. You don't like it? Start your own blog. You're FREE to express yourself. Have fun.

But I digress. The Executive branch now seems out of control. White House staff do and say whatever they want. Military chiefs ignore his sexist and racist demands. Contradictory pronouncements abound. He's inattentive at critical briefings and so CANNOT decide rationally. He has relinquished his place in the chain of command.

Tromp is not in control. He is not doing his job. Work or get fired.

 

[Hypoxia]

Keeping in mind that Trump lost money at a casino. Let that sink in.

You over-simplified. Tromp managed to BANKRUPT a fucking big CASINO during economic BOOM times. That takes talent. A local Native American family started a card room back then and have built it into a major success over good times and bad. Tromp needed some Mi-Wuk advisors.

Of course, he had a plan. His personal almost-a-billion-bucks loss (that's almost two billion in today's money) exempted him from income tax for decades. So what if thousands of employees are thrown on the streets? They're the little people, to be crushed underfoot. Another pissant. Yawn.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You over-simplified. Tromp managed to BANKRUPT a fucking big CASINO during economic BOOM times. That takes talent. A local Native American family started a card room back then and have built it into a major success over good times and bad. Tromp needed some Mi-Wuk advisors.

Of course, he had a plan. His personal almost-a-billion-bucks loss (that's almost two billion in today's money) exempted him from income tax for decades. So what if thousands of employees are thrown on the streets? They're the little people, to be crushed underfoot. Another pissant. Yawn.

Wrong! He bankrupted TWO big casinos.