Brexit

[Ishmael]

The results are coming in and some early polls show strong support for an UK exit from the EU. This, however, is expected to change in favor of staying in.

One of the points that was used to sell 'Brexit' was the effect of foreign labor and unrestricted immigration on the UK employment market. While a valid point, to my mind not the most important reason to contemplate leaving the EU. To me the most important reason was the fact that over payed, over indulged, and overly self-important unelected bureaucrats are running the EU under the dominant hand of Germany. The UK, and virtually every other member, really have no recourse to the decisions made in Brussels, and no meaningful ability to punish those making the decisions.

This is a problem that is common to the US as well, except we can shitcan the bureaucrats via the elective process if we ever find the will to do so.

To a very real extent I'm saddened to think that Brexit will fail. I would have looked forward to seeing how an unfettered economy might thrive without the heavy hand of Brussels at the wheel. I, for one, would have made an effort to purchase UK products where practical. However my feelings aside the decision was up to the citizens of the UK. I sincerely hope they don't come to regret their decision no matter which way the vote goes.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

The results are coming in and some early polls show strong support for an UK exit from the EU. This, however, is expected to change in favor of staying in.

One of the points that was used to sell 'Brexit' was the effect of foreign labor and unrestricted immigration on the UK employment market. While a valid point, to my mind not the most important reason to contemplate leaving the EU. To me the most important reason was the fact that over payed, over indulged, and overly self-important unelected bureaucrats are running the EU under the dominant hand of Germany. The UK, and virtually every other member, really have no recourse to the decisions made in Brussels, and no meaningful ability to punish those making the decisions.

This is a problem that is common to the US as well, except we can shitcan the bureaucrats via the elective process if we ever find the will to do so.

To a very real extent I'm saddened to think that Brexit will fail. I would have looked forward to seeing how an unfettered economy might thrive without the heavy hand of Brussels at the wheel. I, for one, would have made an effort to purchase UK products where practical. However my feelings aside the decision was up to the citizens of the UK. I sincerely hope they don't come to regret their decision no matter which way the vote goes.

Ishmael

Before anyone reads this^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8​

Watch this ^^^​

ETA: and ffs, really? Over payed?

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[eyerami]

Limeys fully submitted their individual liberty to Parliament via Parliament's Glorious Revolution 300+ years ago. It's only a superficial technicality which omnipotent power totally governs them today, foreign or domestic - different tyrannical labels, same tyrannical bottle.

It's keeping prevalent the natural right of individual liberty that matters most, and Americans currently have much more to fear from their increasingly omnipotent federal government in that regard than they do from any foreign influence.

Which is why all-or-nothing DEFENSE of the 2nd Amendment is now virtually the only thing standing in the way of that omnipotent federal government from completely infringing upon every individual liberty Americans are still able to at least hang onto by their fingertips.

Unfortunately, the OFFENSIVE assault on that most natural of individual liberty-defending rights is only going to grow more intense, and it will either eventually result in either civil war or military coup (the latter being more preferable of the two as the coup will be against the federal government illegally moving against the Constitution, and should result in far fewer deaths).

We shall see.

But America's future is certain: either citizens (and States) are going to have to defend their individual liberties (and constitutional empowerment) against the federal government, or the military is going to have to intercede upon the federal government for so intolerably violating the Constitution, or Americans in toto will finally surrender their individual liberty in full just like the limeys did to their Parliament.

Unless the limeys intend to eventually dethrone their Parliament and constitute the power of the People to rule over any new government(s), Brexist might make some limeys feel better for awhile, but not long after Brexit the total weight of what the lemmings have already fully surrendered will simply resettle in and they'll just resume their mind-numbing goosestep march to the cliffs, anyway.

 

[RoryN]

It's over; Brexit wins. Wow.

Get ready for one hell of a market rollercoaster ride in a few hours...

 

[Penuche]

And so it begins - the pound has already dropped in value vs the US dollar.

 

[Libsam]

I bet that drop is temporary, I should buy some pounds!


It's interesting... the popularity of Trump, Brexit. It's all a symptom of the same thing, a backlash against lefty socialist bullshit.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I bet that drop is temporary, I should buy some pounds!


It's interesting... the popularity of Drumpf, Brexit. It's all a symptom of the same thing, a backlash against lefty socialist bullshit.

Most unsophisticated post in a long time.

 

[Setanta84]

And so it begins - the pound has already dropped in value vs the US dollar.

Given how many times the bankers have been caught manipulating global markets in recent years, I wouldn't be surprised if the EU technocrats/banks were manipulating the Pound in order to pressure the UK to enter into shitty trade deals with the EU in the resulting negotiations.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Before anyone reads this^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8​

Watch this ^^^​

ETA: and ffs, really? Over payed?

So basically what you are saying is your limited IQ leaves you getting your news from what is basically a comedy show and even then you do not understand enough to contribute anything meaningful to the thread.

Rather redundant little guy. Everyone knew that....

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Given how many times the bankers have been caught manipulating global markets in recent years, I wouldn't be surprised if the EU technocrats/banks were manipulating the Pound in order to pressure the UK to enter into shitty trade deals with the EU in the resulting negotiations.

Just ask Greenland.

 

[cleaver]

well





there is the ridiculously obvious

and

the not so.


while the ridiculous are busy parsing the talking head-dom
to hedge with the 'plan b',

plan c
is already well into inevitable motion.

 

[Conager]

If Eyer gets any traction with Texit, I'm moving east.

 

[Noor]

So what happens to the Uk ex-pats living in eu, and the eu ones living in UK?
I have friends in both situations, who have jobs and own houses.

Where will UK people cheaply retire to?
Lots of panic going on.

 

[sr71plt]

So what happens to the Uk ex-pats living in eu, and the eu ones living in UK?
I have friends in both situations, who have jobs and own houses.

Where will UK people cheaply retire to?
Lots of panic going on.

Yeah, I've asked a few affected friends that already. Some said that where they are (Spain, Cyprus), having already bought a house will keep them in good stead. A couple have come back with a "don know."

 

[stickygirl]

Buy hey, we can still blame the EU for everything but now we can't do anything about it.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[IrezumiKiss]

 

[geronimo_appleby]

So what happens to the Uk ex-pats living in eu, and the eu ones living in UK?
I have friends in both situations, who have jobs and own houses.

Where will UK people cheaply retire to?
Lots of panic going on.

vietnam.

shhhh, i didn't let the cat out of the bag.

 

[underguy1]

It's the smartest thing the Poms have done politically since getting rid of Churchill for Attlee in 1945.

Well done chaps.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[eyerami]

I don't see the Texit movement as having to aggressively seek traction: it seems to already exist as a natural thought among almost all independent Texans, I imagine, and those are the Texans who are independently strong enough already to make it work when it does naturally happen.

I post "naturally" because I believe what's ahead will automatically grant Texit without any political wrangling at all, as I also discern other states will likewise find themselves naturally separated from the federal government when things begin to pop.

By 2014 numbers, Texas is the world's 12th best GDP economy all by itself, ahead of both South Korea and Australia; it's natural resources are phenomenal, and if North Dakota happened to be one of the other states which found itself separated from the current federal government regime, that regime would have to scramble fast to even begin to compensate for just the massive amount of oil and natural gas lost to it.

They won't be able to go to Russia for oil - those commies are already wedging instigationally into the Texist issue, fantasizing the independent people of Texas would actually side in any way at all with them over the federal government, no matter how much that federal government may become despised.

Envision the federally-protected (fenced/walled for internal control and against outside intrusion) enclaves which host 80% of America's population almost fully deprived of easily obtained oil and natural gas when the sh!t first hits the fan: the progressive hysterical panic which will arise from such sudden deprivation of basic items those same 80% were so spoiledly used to easily obtaining before will probably actually benefit them in the Darwinian sense, but there will be dire happenings before it reaches any benefit stage.

Meanwhile, down here in the literal badlands of the Chihuahuan Desert, not a lot is ever easy to come by and virtually everyone here prefers it that way - which makes things perfect: the 80% have no desire to find their way here, and these folks here would rather die than find themselves among those 80%.

There is certainly nothing here for even the most diabolically traitorous federal government military conquerors to attack or occupy. H3ll, even the Comanche could never tame this land. And right across the river lie the most wide open lands of beautiful Mexico. What a friggin' blast to live in such a naturally magnificent area that the entire world's population could fit comfortably in it many times over, but, comparatively speaking, no one lives here at all.

The natural, political beauty of Texit if it happens (for any reason) is that there exists no other state/country entity I'm aware of that is so naturally suited and able to immediately embrace full independence from its current union, while actually suffering the smallest negative consequences by doing so.

Don't get me wrong: it I was King of America, some union of united States, as fully independent and powerful as the 10th dictates, is the best way to go if a moral people were the majority of its full citizenry.

I'd even allow Hawaii to vote for themselves if they wanted to separate and declare themselves an independent island nation, considering how American crony capitalists deceitfully and violently annexed them in the first place. In fact, as a reverer of individual liberty foundationally, I can perceive no issue with allowing any state to separate from a Union they no longer care to be part of, let alone do a Civil War to prevent that.

I'd also pimp for Puerto Rico to become an independent nation itself to end its territorial nonsense, and stop all talk of it ever becoming a united State - just because it simply isn't and can never practically be in my mind.

I know of no better possible government for actual freedom seeking people than that of republican subsidiarity, but it takes true reverers of individual liberty and earnest discipline from those reverers to stay wholly committed to the glorious cause of self-government over any long haul...

I proclaimed personal independence from the United Socialist State of America on December 7, 2005; I entered into full exile from that socialist government on May 1, 2008, after diligently investigating during those intervening two and a half years exactly where I thought would be the absolute best place to both weather the civil storm I even saw then ahead, and the best place to begin helping to rebuild a local communal political mindset of individual liberty anew as and after that civil storm passed.

I sincerely realize today, 8 years later, I couldn't have ended-up in a more perfect place, and the only - ONLY - thing this great Republic of Texas cannot offer me that I so naturally desire is a gorgeously long, wide, and perfectly isolated beach on the Pacific, somewhere between 33.4670° N and 24.7892° N.

Minus that unicorn fart of beachbum utopia, I deduct the raw openness and scant population density of its land, and the natural independence-mindedness of so many of its people makes Texas the best possible place on earth for me to stand my defensive ground of never ceding my God-given individual liberty to any other offending individual, let alone any illegal government.
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I discern by this time next month all the standard progressive, totally emotional, disingenuously-instilled fear hysteria fabricated to stop bureaucratic independence from the EU will have almost completely subsided in limeyland, if not almost fully forgotten, and everything will be just fine with really no significant differences even noticed - generally speaking, of course.

Unfortunately for the cause of individual liberty itself, that's not really a good thing, though.

Nigel Farage said this as victory for OUT appeared close:

"Dare to dream that the dawn is breaking on an independent United Kingdom," said Nigel Farage, leader of the eurosceptic UK Independence Party.

"If the predictions are right, this will be a victory for real people, a victory for ordinary people, a victory for decent people...Let June 23 go down in our history as our independence day."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKCN0Z902K

Even one of the most skeptical OUTers in limeyland really seems to only see this as bureaucratic independence, and I can't fault him for that because that's what he's been after all along.

But that has nothing to with the cause of individual liberty - unless this is also an intentional step toward that eventual goal. But I know of no evidence to support that, nor do I know of any significant concern for individual liberty as the prominent political mindset in limeyland today.

As I posted earlier: all I see is that limeyland simply changed tyrannical labels on the same tyrannical bottle, and that is the true situation which will be back to normal a month from now.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I was listening to a gay Brit who sounded quite lucid and sane and his reason to vote to leave was based upon the drive to bring in more homophobic and hateful Muslims under the direction of the EU.

He wasn't thinking economics, he was thinking of his own self-interest and personal safety.

I wonder, overall, how much of a factor that was.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why doesn't the world go to these places and protect these people where they are?

 

[Knot Again]

Ha, the new leader of Brits is someone who said Obama was a NIGGER who hates the WEST cause he grew up a NIGGER, different words, same sentiment