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Justice for Trayvon??
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Ha! so this is like the 12th flat out lie Rob has been called out on in this thread alone.
While we all know he will never man up and admit it, at the very least calling him out makes him run away like a little coward till the coast is clear.
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Yes, he called the cops on 2 Hispanics and one white boy supposedly "in possession of burglary tools". So it wasn't 100% black perps.
Nevertheless, even a chucklehead like yourself cannot deny the majority of Zimmy the Hunter's calls were about suspicious Negroes.
Speakin' of "flat out lies", does your daughter have health insurance this month or not? It seems to vary on a month-by-month basis.
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because the MAJORITY of PROBLEMS were from COLOREDS
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Wrong Side of the Street
Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog 40 Comments
The Zimmerman case is about many things, but it isn't about George Zimmerman, an Hispanic Obama supporter who campaigned against police brutality only to find himself plucked up by the hand of Big Brother to play the villainous white racist in the latest episode of liberal political reality television.
Zimmerman is the latest Bernie Goetz; another wholly unlikely cult figure who currently campaigns for vegetarian lunches in public schools and squirrel rescue. It's not that the two men had anything particularly in common. Unlike Goetz, it is very unlikely that Zimmerman jumped the gun, so to speak, but they both fill a similar niche. They represent the embattled lower half of the middle class.
To understand the Zimmerman case, you have to live in a neighborhood that has just enough property values to keep you paying the mortgage and just enough proximity to dangerous territories to make you feel like you're living on the frontier.
The chain of events doesn't make much sense to the elites, which is one reason why they assume that the explanation must be racism There weren't a lot of New Yorker readers cheering as Charles Bronson's Paul Kersey stalked the subways and parks of the city blowing away hoods. The perfect target audience for the Death Wish movies or for Goetz saying "You don't look too bad, here's another" was that bottom half of the middle class that didn't have enough money to leave the city and didn't have enough liberalism to accept the violence as their just due.
But the case isn't about race either. It's about a struggling middle class in a precarious economy trying to hang on to what it has. And it's about a culture of dropouts from the economy who celebrate thuggery and then pretend to be the victims. It's doubtful that anyone in Zimmerman's neighborhood who weathered multiple break-ins has much sympathy for the Martin family. And that's one reason that the prosecution hasn't found any useful witnesses.
If Trayvon Martin had been the clean cut innocent kid that the media tried to pretend he is, the reaction might have been different. But he wasn't. The gap between Martin and Zimmerman wasn't race, in other circumstances most liberals would have called both men members of minority groups, it was aspiration.
George Zimmerman wanted to to be a cop. Trayvon Martin wanted to be a hood. It's quite possible that Martin got no closer to his ambition than Zimmerman got to his. Both men were just going through the motions on the edge of a game of cops-and-robbers that suddenly turned deadly real. And even in a country where the thug tops the entertainment heap, the vulnerable parts of the middle class have more sympathy for aspiring cops than for aspiring thugs.
What are cops and thugs? Cops are the protectors of the middle class and thugs prey on the middle class. Not just any part of the middle class, but the vulnerable parts, the men and women without enough money and mobility to get out when neighborhoods turn bad. And then it all comes down to territory and who can intimidate whom. Either the cops intimidate the thugs or the thugs intimidate the cops.
Everyone is the hero in their own story, but George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin were living out different stories. George Zimmerman was looking out for his neighbors while Trayvon Martin was looking to live the thug life. Martin's story ended with him realizing that sometimes attitude isn't enough and Zimmerman's story ended with him realizing that sometimes even when you try to be the hero, you're going to be drawn as a villain.
But the Zimmerman and Martin story is an American story. That's why it has become so big. Back in the 70s, when Paul Kersey was skulking around on the silver screen, it was mainly an urban story. Now it's an everywhere story. It's a story about homesteaders and savages, about a shaky middle class built on piles of debt trying to protect what's left of its way of life while across the street, there's the glamor of not working and scoring money any way you can.
It's a culture clash of a primal kind. Settlers and nomads. Cops and robbers. Builders and destroyers. And it was never going to end well. The elites want the settlers to make way for the nomads, the cops to acknowledge their role in alienating the robbers and the builders to admit that their construction is really the destruction of the way of life of the destroyers. They don't understand the struggling lower middle class and they don't care to. They have a great deal of empathy for the Trayvon Martins swaggering around another neighborhood that decays at their touch, but none for the George Zimmermans, sweating, mopping their brows, worrying how they're going to hold everything together.
Neighborhood watches don't have to turn violent, but they exist because of the potential for violence in a society with plenty of law, but little order. The struggling middle class looks to the cops only to realize that the cops have their own job and it isn't to protect them, it's to protect each other. And so they become cops. It's vigilantism of a sort and it's a symptom of social collapse. But it's also the attitude that helped make the United States happen.
That's the real story behind the headlines, the agitprop and the circus of a public trial. It's the reality that doesn't get talked about much because it's much less interesting than the straightforward story being fed into the presses. The one about an innocent young boy killed for no reason at all. It's a story about what happens when people are backed into a corner and then told to stay there. It's about a frightened middle class trying to survive. And it's about territory.
Settlers make homes. Nomads walk in and out of them. Builders thrive on making things and destroyers on trashing them. Zimmerman picked his side of the coin and Martin picked his.
Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog 40 Comments
The Zimmerman case is about many things, but it isn't about George Zimmerman, an Hispanic Obama supporter who campaigned against police brutality only to find himself plucked up by the hand of Big Brother to play the villainous white racist in the latest episode of liberal political reality television.
Zimmerman is the latest Bernie Goetz; another wholly unlikely cult figure who currently campaigns for vegetarian lunches in public schools and squirrel rescue. It's not that the two men had anything particularly in common. Unlike Goetz, it is very unlikely that Zimmerman jumped the gun, so to speak, but they both fill a similar niche. They represent the embattled lower half of the middle class.
To understand the Zimmerman case, you have to live in a neighborhood that has just enough property values to keep you paying the mortgage and just enough proximity to dangerous territories to make you feel like you're living on the frontier.
The chain of events doesn't make much sense to the elites, which is one reason why they assume that the explanation must be racism There weren't a lot of New Yorker readers cheering as Charles Bronson's Paul Kersey stalked the subways and parks of the city blowing away hoods. The perfect target audience for the Death Wish movies or for Goetz saying "You don't look too bad, here's another" was that bottom half of the middle class that didn't have enough money to leave the city and didn't have enough liberalism to accept the violence as their just due.
But the case isn't about race either. It's about a struggling middle class in a precarious economy trying to hang on to what it has. And it's about a culture of dropouts from the economy who celebrate thuggery and then pretend to be the victims. It's doubtful that anyone in Zimmerman's neighborhood who weathered multiple break-ins has much sympathy for the Martin family. And that's one reason that the prosecution hasn't found any useful witnesses.
If Trayvon Martin had been the clean cut innocent kid that the media tried to pretend he is, the reaction might have been different. But he wasn't. The gap between Martin and Zimmerman wasn't race, in other circumstances most liberals would have called both men members of minority groups, it was aspiration.
George Zimmerman wanted to to be a cop. Trayvon Martin wanted to be a hood. It's quite possible that Martin got no closer to his ambition than Zimmerman got to his. Both men were just going through the motions on the edge of a game of cops-and-robbers that suddenly turned deadly real. And even in a country where the thug tops the entertainment heap, the vulnerable parts of the middle class have more sympathy for aspiring cops than for aspiring thugs.
What are cops and thugs? Cops are the protectors of the middle class and thugs prey on the middle class. Not just any part of the middle class, but the vulnerable parts, the men and women without enough money and mobility to get out when neighborhoods turn bad. And then it all comes down to territory and who can intimidate whom. Either the cops intimidate the thugs or the thugs intimidate the cops.
Everyone is the hero in their own story, but George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin were living out different stories. George Zimmerman was looking out for his neighbors while Trayvon Martin was looking to live the thug life. Martin's story ended with him realizing that sometimes attitude isn't enough and Zimmerman's story ended with him realizing that sometimes even when you try to be the hero, you're going to be drawn as a villain.
But the Zimmerman and Martin story is an American story. That's why it has become so big. Back in the 70s, when Paul Kersey was skulking around on the silver screen, it was mainly an urban story. Now it's an everywhere story. It's a story about homesteaders and savages, about a shaky middle class built on piles of debt trying to protect what's left of its way of life while across the street, there's the glamor of not working and scoring money any way you can.
It's a culture clash of a primal kind. Settlers and nomads. Cops and robbers. Builders and destroyers. And it was never going to end well. The elites want the settlers to make way for the nomads, the cops to acknowledge their role in alienating the robbers and the builders to admit that their construction is really the destruction of the way of life of the destroyers. They don't understand the struggling lower middle class and they don't care to. They have a great deal of empathy for the Trayvon Martins swaggering around another neighborhood that decays at their touch, but none for the George Zimmermans, sweating, mopping their brows, worrying how they're going to hold everything together.
Neighborhood watches don't have to turn violent, but they exist because of the potential for violence in a society with plenty of law, but little order. The struggling middle class looks to the cops only to realize that the cops have their own job and it isn't to protect them, it's to protect each other. And so they become cops. It's vigilantism of a sort and it's a symptom of social collapse. But it's also the attitude that helped make the United States happen.
That's the real story behind the headlines, the agitprop and the circus of a public trial. It's the reality that doesn't get talked about much because it's much less interesting than the straightforward story being fed into the presses. The one about an innocent young boy killed for no reason at all. It's a story about what happens when people are backed into a corner and then told to stay there. It's about a frightened middle class trying to survive. And it's about territory.
Settlers make homes. Nomads walk in and out of them. Builders thrive on making things and destroyers on trashing them. Zimmerman picked his side of the coin and Martin picked his.
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you would NO DOUBT be like Chief Moose, and say the WHITE GUYS are sniping and KILLING and not the BLACK GUYS
right?
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And how many cars speeding?
How many loud parties?
How many garage doors open?
How many pot holes?
How many dogs?
In fact, of the 46 less than 7 where on black males.
Still trying to lie huh?
Or are you just stupid?
Why don't you tell us again how the detective did not testify that in his opinion Zimmerman was telling the truth?
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George Zimmerman’s defense team continued Wednesday to play up the wimp factor, calling yet another witness to reinforce their claim that the pudgy neighborhood watch volunteer was "by no stretch of the imagination" a match for Trayvon Martin in their fight before Zimmerman shot and killed the teen in a gated Florida community last year.
Dennis Root, a former law enforcement officer who testified as an expert on defensive use of force, said Martin was in superior physical condition, and that Zimmerman was not a competent fighter.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/zimmerman-defense-winding-down-case-wednesday/#ixzz2Yf0J23gK
Dennis Root, a former law enforcement officer who testified as an expert on defensive use of force, said Martin was in superior physical condition, and that Zimmerman was not a competent fighter.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/zimmerman-defense-winding-down-case-wednesday/#ixzz2Yf0J23gK
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And how many cars speeding?
How many loud parties?
How many garage doors open?
How many pot holes?
How many dogs?
In fact, of the 46 less than 7 where on black males.
Still trying to lie huh?
Or are you just stupid?
Why don't you tell us again how the detective did not testify that in his opinion Zimmerman was telling the truth?
Better yet, you should try to change the discussion to something unrelated that was already proven to be a lie on your part.
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Knee Growz UNLEASHED
Obamabot Russell Simmons: Guilty Or Innocent Zimmerman “Will Ultimately Be Punished” For Death Of St. Skittles…
Vigilante justice?
Via HuffPo:
Like so many people across the country, I have followed the murder trial of George Zimmerman very closely. As we enter what is probably the last week of the trial, I am sure that everyone is anxious about the outcome. For the past 16 months, I have proudly supported the courageous parents of Trayvon Martin as they have fought for justice for their son. I have greatly admired the grace and humility that they have exuded throughout this entire tragic ordeal. For them, the day of judgement in the courtroom will be a very difficult day and I certainly will say a prayer for them when that day comes.
Even with this important day coming soon, I remind myself that we have already accomplished a tremendous amount in the memory of Trayvon. All we ever asked for was for equal justice for the young man who was killed that drizzling night in Sanford, Florida. If George Zimmerman had rights, so did Trayvon Martin. And that is why Mr. Zimmerman was properly arrested and charged with murder in the second degree. He will soon be judged by a jury of his peers, and that is the best we can do. Whatever decision they make, is a decision that we must live with, whether we like it or not. Whether George Zimmerman is found innocent or guilty by the jury, I am firm believer that all of us live by karmic law, and he will ultimately be punished for the death of Trayvon, no matter what.
Obamabot Russell Simmons: Guilty Or Innocent Zimmerman “Will Ultimately Be Punished” For Death Of St. Skittles…
Vigilante justice?
Via HuffPo:
Like so many people across the country, I have followed the murder trial of George Zimmerman very closely. As we enter what is probably the last week of the trial, I am sure that everyone is anxious about the outcome. For the past 16 months, I have proudly supported the courageous parents of Trayvon Martin as they have fought for justice for their son. I have greatly admired the grace and humility that they have exuded throughout this entire tragic ordeal. For them, the day of judgement in the courtroom will be a very difficult day and I certainly will say a prayer for them when that day comes.
Even with this important day coming soon, I remind myself that we have already accomplished a tremendous amount in the memory of Trayvon. All we ever asked for was for equal justice for the young man who was killed that drizzling night in Sanford, Florida. If George Zimmerman had rights, so did Trayvon Martin. And that is why Mr. Zimmerman was properly arrested and charged with murder in the second degree. He will soon be judged by a jury of his peers, and that is the best we can do. Whatever decision they make, is a decision that we must live with, whether we like it or not. Whether George Zimmerman is found innocent or guilty by the jury, I am firm believer that all of us live by karmic law, and he will ultimately be punished for the death of Trayvon, no matter what.
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Why don't you tell us again how the detective did not testify that in his opinion Zimmerman was telling the truth?
Maybe you can explain to us how law enforcement "opinions" are relevant in a court of law.
"It was my opinion he wuz breaking the law!"
GUILTY!
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You have yet to explain why Zimmerman was stalking Martin.
And I doubt you ever will.
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And how many cars speeding?
How many loud parties?
How many garage doors open?
How many pot holes?
How many dogs?
In fact, of the 46 less than 7 where on black males.
Still trying to lie huh?
Or are you just stupid?
Why don't you tell us again how the detective did not testify that in his opinion Zimmerman was telling the truth?
Notice his failure to address his further lies.
This is a perfect example of stupid. He gives us so many it is hard to decide the best ones, but this is up there.....
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and there is the problem. A guy lacking the testicular fortitude to carry out the responsibilities he assumed unless he could carry. The gun on his hip gave him the courage to exceed his abilities to control the situation.
Who thinks Zimmerman would have aggressively pursued Martin if he wasn't carrying a concealed?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDownSouth View Post
46 calls to police to report suspicious black folks
0 calls to police to report suspicious white folks
The record speaks for itself.
BTW, in looking up exactly how many calls Zimmy the Groid Hunter made to police, I found out he lived exactly 4 miles away from a home I used to own in Florida.
Of those 46 calls, seven of them refer to a black person or persons, and most of them either don't mention race or are not about people, but are about dogs or a car blocking the street or an open garage door or some other observation.
That certainly shows Rob to be a big liar, doesn't it?
Originally Posted by RobDownSouth View Post
46 calls to police to report suspicious black folks
0 calls to police to report suspicious white folks
The record speaks for itself.
BTW, in looking up exactly how many calls Zimmy the Groid Hunter made to police, I found out he lived exactly 4 miles away from a home I used to own in Florida.
Of those 46 calls, seven of them refer to a black person or persons, and most of them either don't mention race or are not about people, but are about dogs or a car blocking the street or an open garage door or some other observation.
That certainly shows Rob to be a big liar, doesn't it?
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Root basically protrayed Zimmerman as an incompetent wuss who needed a gun to feel like the semblance of a man. The reasons why you identify so strongly with him are becoming clearer.
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I've said it all along, Zimmy felt embiggened by his handgun. Most of the conservatives here prolly feel that way as well.
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