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[lovecraft68]

I've always thought of "cuck" comments as spill-over from the toxic crowd in LW.

Polyamory in general is something I've found gets negative comments in the I/T crowd, but it seems like those readers are a small minority. The stories still rate well.

Mostly I'm talking about a guy with his sister and her friend. I have one with a guy, his mother, and her friend and the readers are mostly OK with it. I'm considering a story that's a guy, his mother, and her younger companion, but that story probably won't be very popular 'cuz Mom's not "pure of heart" (or any other body part).

Pretty much what I'm saying

You can never say all or none on a site this big-and in a category the size of I/T but in general the cheating thing is more about a widespread type of reader, not a specific category type of "no-no"

 

[lovecraft68]

Not so much score-wise, but people can be blindsided by how harshly readers will object to things they thought should have been a minor taboo compared to banging your mom. LOL

No argument that some there have a strange set of 'rules' Another one I'll see is them not caring for the son cumming anywhere on Mom-or sis-it should always be 'deep inside' because they're the pregnancy fetish type.

Also, for every "No, it should just stay with brother and sister" there are the "And then mom joins in, and sis invites her friends and..."

Complete wins anywhere are few and far between unless you have perfected a formula style story that always does well.

 

[Comshaw]

The majority of readers on lit are not interested in reading someone's story. They only want someone else to recite the personal fantasy that they themselves are too lazy to write. If your story doesn't recite this fantasy back to them and/or fucks up one of the details, the reaction will be negative.

I do not understand the thought you are trying to convey in your first sentence. Can you clarify it a bit? Go a little deeper for those of us who are a bit dense? I think I know what you mean, but I do not want to assume, 'cause you know what they say about asuming something.

I don't believe the majority of people are too lazy to write their own stories. The idea that they are too "lazy" to write their own presupposes they want to or can. Some can't. Some can but do not want to. If we declare everyone who reads others' work and doesn't write to be lazy, then everyone who watches movies or plays and doesn't get involved with making a movie or a play (even at the community player level) is lazy, yeah?

99% of those who read stories here want one thing, the same thing people who buy books or watch movies want: to be entertained. Some could give a rip about the structure of a story, or if all the periods and quotation marks are there, or if a word is the absolute correct one to be used. If they can read the story and enjoy it, be carried to another place or time than the one they are in, than to them it is a great story.

As a voracious reader for the majority of my life, I can say that the last part of your post hits the nail squarely. People do get pissy about something that derails a story. If you're submersed in a really great tale, it's almost painful, like hitting a speed bump at speed, to be rudely shoved out of that world by details that don't fit or are in conflict with the story. And some people don't take kindly to being so rudely pushed out of their fantasy.

As far as the trolls, I have to agree with LC. I've seen the same gripes about "cucks" on stories in other catagories. Personally I think it's like life. There will always be a faction, small maybe but always present, that are just bitter assholes. They have never accepted, nor want to, that everything isn't just as they want it to be. To compensate, they need to try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are. The best thing to do? Laugh, point and move on, 'cause no matter the effort, you ain't gunna' please them so don't try.

Comshaw

 

[TheLobster]

Not so much score-wise, but people can be blindsided by how harshly readers will object to things they thought should have been a minor taboo compared to banging your mom. LOL

It is quite curious. It seems that even once you shed a major taboo, in this case incest, the compulsion to enact moral judgements remains no less strong in many people. They still like to feel holier-than-thou, so they invent a weird moral code in which fucking your mom or sister is perfectly okay but only if both parties uphold their additional rules of "purity".

It's rather amusing, but at least this strange code is not as difficult to fit into as the capricious whims of the LW crowd.

 

[RejectReality]

No argument that some there have a strange set of 'rules' Another one I'll see is them not caring for the son cumming anywhere on Mom-or sis-it should always be 'deep inside' because they're the pregnancy fetish type.

Also, for every "No, it should just stay with brother and sister" there are the "And then mom joins in, and sis invites her friends and..."

Complete wins anywhere are few and far between unless you have perfected a formula style story that always does well.

There are always a few who don't want pregnancy. Outnumbered by the breeding buffs, but I got at least one on my latest in the category saying it would ruin the fun for them. ( Meaning the couple, but more the reader )

 

[AwkwardlySet]

LC, take your meds and have a nice day!

Didn't you just have a pretty angry fit towards PSG because of her personal attacks? Practice what you preach.

Besides, you never know when that jaf-, err, I mean ADMIN guy might show up and close the topic.

 

[lovecraft68]

LC, take your meds and have a nice day!

If I were PSG you'd be going on and on. Me, you end it quick.

Thank you for making this so easy.

 

[SimonDoom]

Didn't you just have a pretty angry fit towards PSG because of her personal attacks? Practice what you preach.

Besides, you never know when that jaf-, err, I mean ADMIN guy might show up and close the topic.

I beg to differ. I did not have an "angry fit." I criticized somebody for making personal attacks. That's not an angry attack.

In LC's case, he initiated an unnecessarily belligerent response to the point I'd made, which was not personal at all. There was no point in him getting personal and prejudging how I would respond, but that's what he does all the time. I responded in a light-hearted, silly way.

 

[lovecraft68]

There are always a few who don't want pregnancy. Outnumbered by the breeding buffs, but I got at least one on my latest in the category saying it would ruin the fun for them. ( Meaning the couple, but more the reader )

Only twice have I involved pregnancy and both were mentioned in the present as the story was a flashback, and no details, just they ran off, got married, had a kid...

Pregnancy is squicky to me and many, but if you take the fetishizing out of it and do it simply as I did, its not the same thing.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I beg to differ. I did not have an "angry fit." I criticized somebody for making personal attacks. That's not an angry attack.

Well, I also beg to differ. Your post concerning PSG sounded pretty angry and righteous to me.

As for LC's belligerence, that's hardly anything new. I am definitely not going to make excuses for him, but I am also pretty sure he never preached peace and politeness either. Whether I like his style of posting or not, he is pretty consistent about it.

Anyway, I don't care much about any of it. Freedom of speech is what matters the most to me, as long as things don't get excessively nasty.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Anyway, on topic, I'd say that many readers have this idea that what they like is the only right way for a sex story to go. I'll also admit that if I encounter maledom in a story I am enjoying, especially if it's something humiliating and cruel, it's hard not to have that "gee, thanks for ruining the story for me!" moment. Of course, I'd never punish the story for it with a low rating or a negative comment, but I guess I can understand where the urge comes from.

Writing the maledom route in my Literotica story game was one of the hardest writing experiences I've had. Even if it was relatively gentle, fully consensual, and without a trace of actual humiliation, I was gritting my teeth while I was writing it, sort of. Most other stuff I am neutral about, and I can write it with ease, but...

 

[lovecraft68]

but I am also pretty sure he never preached peace and politeness either. Whether I like his style of posting or not, he is pretty consistent about it.

To quote Popeye, I am who I am, and I think 'straight shooting' or being blunt is more fitting than belligerent because I'm never angry. I just have no patience for actors and personas and people who say one thing and project another. Is passive aggressive the term? Maybe.

Like everybody else, I have certain beliefs, and support certain things, when I see someone saying something and masking it for something else, I don't let it go, I call it. I'm painfully Gen X in that way. On the topic of what I said to Simon, one thing does not mean the other, as I stated to another poster and politely because that person doesn't have a history of being obtusely argumentative and coming across as knowing everything. And there are no such thing as innocent comments in certain circumstances and histories.

 

[PennyThompson]

You guys are like an Irish feud morality play, very Banshees of Inisherin, somebody's about to cut their own fingers off and throw it at the other's front door in order to sufficiently demonstrate their spite

 

[SimonDoom]

You guys are like an Irish feud morality play, very Banshees of Inisherin, somebody's about to cut their own fingers off and throw it at the other's front door in order to sufficiently demonstrate their spite

That movie was so hard to watch. And a cautionary tale. Don't go down that path.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I get them in my milf stories because oh, no, the woman is the one calling the shots and the 20 year old kid is letting her,. such a simp!

Yet at the same time, weak guy aggro girl is by far the most popular dynamic on lit. Not saying that you're wrong, but it certainly a minority. It goes against grain.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Yet at the same time, weak guy aggro girl is by far the most popular dynamic on lit.

I don't think I agree. It goes against my own reading experience on Lit.

 

[Comshaw]

You guys are like an Irish feud morality play, very Banshees of Inisherin, somebody's about to cut their own fingers off and throw it at the other's front door in order to sufficiently demonstrate their spite

Comshaw

 

[lovecraft68]

You guys are like an Irish feud morality play, very Banshees of Inisherin, somebody's about to cut their own fingers off and throw it at the other's front door in order to sufficiently demonstrate their spite

That movie was....I don't even know what it was. Bored the crap out of me and when the donkey died from choking on the finger I wished it was every other character instead.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yet at the same time, weak guy aggro girl is by far the most popular dynamic on lit. Not saying that you're wrong, but it certainly a minority. It goes against grain.

Depends on the category. Fetish is where the 'real men' are as in they embrace their kinks, enjoy femdom, don't mind hot wife stories etc. They're actually secure males.

From my experience-outside of a femdom type situation, its seems the average man here, and many women, like the take charge guy, but like I said, its never all and its never none.

I've also gained a few of these incel trolls from my handful of LW stories and my disdain for their type.

 

[RejectReality]

I don't think I agree. It goes against my own reading experience on Lit.

Depends on situation. If you're in a May/December situation, and he's the older, having him in the aggro role doesn't go over nearly as well as the opposite. ( Dirty old man ) I get a lot better response from a younger man in that situation going after an older woman, though. The difference isn't that much over the older woman taking charge, but it's noticeable.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Depends on situation. If you're in a May/December situation, and he's the older, having him in the aggro role doesn't go over nearly as well as the opposite. ( Dirty old man ) I get a lot better response from a younger man in that situation going after an older woman, though. The difference isn't that much over the older woman taking charge, but it's noticeable.

I understand what you mean, and I agree. I was mostly focused on the numerical aspect of PSG's post. It's hard to know every category intimately, but from what I've seen and read, I'd say there are easily more stories where the guy is the aggressive one.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I don't think I agree. It goes against my own reading experience on Lit.

It is absolutely my experience on lit. I know this because it is the number one thing that jumps out when I pick up the dynamic in any story. The girl almost always makes the sex moves, almost completely regardless of kink. Now bear in mind that I don't delve into the super kinky, so there could be a difference there, however most stories here are only surface kinky and not super kinky. Guy Gets Lucky is by far the number 1 plot around here. She puts the moves on him. She initiates. It's rampant. Even in Romance where a stronger male is expected, if a male wrote the story, often the girl makes the first sex moves.

The significant majority of writers here are male - at least 60-40, probably closer to 70-30 - and guys loooove women who initiate, so their fantasies are chock full of them.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

It is absolutely my experience on lit. I know this because it is the number one thing that jumps out when I pick up the dynamic in any story. The girl almost always makes the sex moves, almost completely regardless of kink. Now bear in mind that I don't delve into the super kinky, so there could be a difference there, however most stories here are only surface kinky and not super kinky. Guy Gets Lucky is by far the number 1 plot around here. She puts the moves on him. She initiates. It's rampant. Even in Romance where a stronger male is expected, if a male wrote the story, often the girl makes the first sex moves.

The significant majority of writers here are male - at least 60-40, probably closer to 70-30 - and guys loooove women who initiate, so their fantasies are chock full of them.

I'd say that the difference in our experiences comes mostly from the fact that we read different categories and kinks. I only ever check out several categories and even though femdom is my thing, I encounter aggro men quite often. That's what pushed me towards the conclusion I've made. But I guess it's impossible to know any of this unless one reads all categories and kinks.

 

[yowser]

This discussion has (productively) made me think about the characters in my own stories. I write over a lot of different genres and character types, so perhaps am not representative.

About a third of my stories have strong, or at least quirky, female MC leads. About a quarter have fairly strong male leads, although almost universally they tend to overthink matters. Over ten percent of my corpus is gay/lesbian, so the male/female business more or less goes out the window there, although with interesting power/confidence, active/passive dynamics. A good percentage of the rest are more or less equal, with swap out roles and dynamics as the story goes on, with maybe 10 percent just plain unclassifiable.

I have always found the writing of characters, especially those with quite different qualities/mindsets than myself, of immense value, as the Creator of the work I get to try out different approaches to life, eroticism, interests, practices etc. I would think this would be true for a good subset of the rest of AH authorship.

At the very least, I try to do something different.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I had a cuckold comment like that once. I can't remember which story it was, but I would have deleted the comment anyway. It was something very odd, like he imagined a relationship that wasn't in the story, and then launched his cuck complaint against his own creation. That's really reaching for something to complain about.

Readers come with all sorts of baggage, but imagine how boring the world would be if we all thought the same.

Was it OverconfidentSarcasm, by any chance?