Your take on the King hearings...

[busybody..]

I love how you assert that there is no difference in the murderous intent of Sunni or Shia and then admit that all Muslims DON'T want to kill us, but that the critical fact is that we can't tell the difference.

All you've done in your 5.5 million posts, is repeatedly emphasize your belief that the lack of difference in physical appearance between two different people is more important to you than the factual difference between those people who want to kill you and those who don't.

You freely alternate between two lies of your own construction. One lie is that the person who doesn't want to kill you is actually lying himself and is secretly waiting for the perfect opportunity to knock you off.

The second lie is that even if the first person doesn't want to kill you, you're still entitled to kill him as an act of self-defense because of his physical resemblance to someone who does want to kill you.

Those are just two reasons why, if I have a passing interest in Islamic theology, I don't call you first.

No cluue

English please



(I am NEVER saying ALL MUSLIMS wanna KILL US....A vast majority do, and since WE cant tell teh difference, we MUST SUSPECT EM ALL)

Now WTF did you say?

Im simple
Talk simple

 

[Colonel Hogan]

No cluue

English please



(I am NEVER saying ALL MUSLIMS wanna KILL US....A vast majority do, and since WE cant tell teh difference, we MUST SUSPECT EM ALL)

Now WTF did you say?

Im simple
Talk simple

When I cited Shia and Sunni as being the two main denominations within Islam, you chastised me by saying that whatever differences might exist between the two, they were "meaningless." Your direct quote was "as if they mean anything." And then you added, "They," (presumably both Shia and Sunni) "want to kill us."

And then you admitted that all Muslims don't want to kill us and reverted to your well worn lament that all must be suspect because "we can't tell 'em apart."

In fact, there are major differences between Shia and Sunni. So much so, that they have on more than a few occasions killed each other. That hardly seems meaningless to me.

Secondly, whether or not any Muslim wants to kill you or me has everything to do with how that Muslim interprets jihad and whether he believes someone like Bin Laddin has the authority to declare it. There is great debate on these issues within Islam, and it is not at all certain that a "vast majority" believe in violent jihad.

I understand being "suspicious" of all "because you can't tell 'em apart," but it seems to me you've gone far beyond mere suspicion on many occasions by advocating treating all Muslims as if they were our enemy and arresting, deporting or actually killing them.

My skepticism about the King hearings is that too many people already have their minds made up. No amount of facts will reduce your suspicion that every brown skinned middle eastern you see on the street is a potential suicide bomber.

No amount of facts will reduce the belief of liberal apologists that the motivation behind the hearings is anything other than racism.

Furthermore, I believe that the depth of your suspicions, as well as the depth of liberals cynicism, are both out of touch with reality.

That's as "plain English" as I can make it.

 

[Ishmael]

When I cited Shia and Sunni as being the two main denominations within Islam, you chastised me by saying that whatever differences might exist between the two, they were "meaningless." Your direct quote was "as if they mean anything." And then you added, "They," (presumably both Shia and Sunni) "want to kill us."

And then you admitted that all Muslims don't want to kill us and reverted to your well worn lament that all must be suspect because "we can't tell 'em apart."

In fact, there are major differences between Shia and Sunni. So much so, that they have on more than a few occasions killed each other. That hardly seems meaningless to me.

Secondly, whether or not any Muslim wants to kill you or me has everything to do with how that Muslim interprets jihad and whether he believes someone like Bin Laddin has the authority to declare it. There is great debate on these issues within Islam, and it is not at all certain that a "vast majority" believe in violent jihad.

I understand being "suspicious" of all "because you can't tell 'em apart," but it seems to me you've gone far beyond mere suspicion on many occasions by advocating treating all Muslims as if they were our enemy and arresting, deporting or actually killing them.

My skepticism about the King hearings is that too many people already have their minds made up. No amount of facts will reduce your suspicion that every brown skinned middle eastern you see on the street is a potential suicide bomber.

No amount of facts will reduce the belief of liberal apologists that the motivation behind the hearings is anything other than racism.

Furthermore, I believe that the depth of your suspicions, as well as the depth of liberals cynicism, are both out of touch with reality.

That's as "plain English" as I can make it.

The hearings are about 'Home Grown' jihadists, a very real and growing problem and the fact of the matter is is that these folks are neither brown nor mid-eastern. (Amazingly the original statement re. this growing problem came from 'Big Sis' at Homeland non-Security. Do you detect some conflicts of political interests here?

Re. jihadists in general. It has been widely reported that only 10% of the Muslim population sympathize with those views. Taking that at face value, that is 160 million souls. It has been further reported that only 1% are likely to take action on those views. What a relief, we're down to a mere 16 million now. My point, in the event you missed it, is that the numbers are not trivial and that the use of percentages diminishes the scope of the problem.

The biggest issue with Islam is that currently, under ALL major theological philosophies, the religion is immiscible with secular law.

Ishmael

 

[Colonel Hogan]

The hearings are about 'Home Grown' jihadists, a very real and growing problem and the fact of the matter is is that these folks are neither brown nor mid-eastern. (Amazingly the original statement re. this growing problem came from 'Big Sis' at Homeland non-Security. Do you detect some conflicts of political interests here?

Re. jihadists in general. It has been widely reported that only 10% of the Muslim population sympathize with those views. Taking that at face value, that is 160 million souls. It has been further reported that only 1% are likely to take action on those views. What a relief, we're down to a mere 16 million now. My point, in the event you missed it, is that the numbers are not trivial and that the use of percentages diminishes the scope of the problem.

The biggest issue with Islam is that currently, under ALL major theological philosophies, the religion is immiscible with secular law.

Ishmael

I'm really not trying to pick a fight here, but I keep feeling like I'm in one.

I get the point about home-grown jihadists. Honest, I do. In fact, anyone with any sense could have predicted they were eventually going to be a sad fact of life before the second tower fell. We have a few million Muslims in America. Some were bound to be or become radical Islamists.

As for the numbers and percentages, if we had anything like 16 million people coming at us head on we wouldn't be debating it on the internet. They'd be calling us up to man the shore batteries on the beaches of Atlantic City, NJ. But even if the true numbers are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction, they are still NOT trivial.

I just don't know what we're going to learn that's really new. Or helps us mount a better defense. Or pries open the eyes of those who adamantly refuse to confront the true scope of the problem.

I'm not trying to defend or excuse these bastards. I know they're out there. But I assume the FBI does, too.

So, what have we learned so far, and how many more days do we have to go?

 

[koalabear]

I'm really not trying to pick a fight here, but I keep feeling like I'm in one.

I get the point about home-grown jihadists. Honest, I do. In fact, anyone with any sense could have predicted they were eventually going to be a sad fact of life before the second tower fell. We have a few million Muslims in America. Some were bound to be or become radical Islamists.

As for the numbers and percentages, if we had anything like 16 million people coming at us head on we wouldn't be debating it on the internet. They'd be calling us up to man the shore batteries on the beaches of Atlantic City, NJ. But even if the true numbers are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction, they are still NOT trivial.

I just don't know what we're going to learn that's really new. Or helps us mount a better defense. Or pries open the eyes of those who adamantly refuse to confront the true scope of the problem.

I'm not trying to defend or excuse these bastards. I know they're out there. But I assume the FBI does, too.

So, what have we learned so far, and how many more days do we have to go?

Not many, the Japanese nukes are in meltdown.

 

[Ishmael]

I'm really not trying to pick a fight here, but I keep feeling like I'm in one.

I get the point about home-grown jihadists. Honest, I do. In fact, anyone with any sense could have predicted they were eventually going to be a sad fact of life before the second tower fell. We have a few million Muslims in America. Some were bound to be or become radical Islamists.

As for the numbers and percentages, if we had anything like 16 million people coming at us head on we wouldn't be debating it on the internet. They'd be calling us up to man the shore batteries on the beaches of Atlantic City, NJ. But even if the true numbers are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction, they are still NOT trivial.

I just don't know what we're going to learn that's really new. Or helps us mount a better defense. Or pries open the eyes of those who adamantly refuse to confront the true scope of the problem.

I'm not trying to defend or excuse these bastards. I know they're out there. But I assume the FBI does, too.

So, what have we learned so far, and how many more days do we have to go?

As far as the percentages go, I believe they're underestimated. And the only reason we aren't manning the shore batteries is because they don't have the means to confront us directly................yet.

I already responded to the why of the hearings. There are Muslims out there that are secular. They need a voice and support and this is one way of giving them voice. From that voice perhaps support will follow.

What we've learned are that there are secular groups out there. That they are raising a red flag too, and that they want to fight this plague back just as much as we do. And we've heard a lot of bullshit from those that have their head in the sand. They served their purpose as well. Sure as hell brought attention to the hearings.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Bill Bennett writes:

If one community is engaging in terrorism “at a greater rate” than the rest of the community; and if we are at war with or on the defensive against such terrorism; and if the secretary of homeland security states, The terrorist threat facing our country “may be at its most heightened state” since 9/11; and if the attorney general can say that “homegrown terror” is “one of the things that keeps me up at night,” why should there not be 10 hearings a year?

One last point as to why, perhaps, our civilian political leadership is now voicing so much concern. It’s a point most Americans do not know, but it is eye-popping: Al Qaeda is now practically an American-led franchise. The top three operational leaders of the top three al Qaeda organizations (al Qaeda in East Africa, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and al Qaeda Central) are all homegrown terrorists, from America, either born or naturalized here.

Let us dispense with the nonsense that the U.S. government or the House Committee on Homeland Security is targeting or discriminating against a minority. As I point out in a book I have coming out later this month, there is one reason, and one reason only, that any of us speak of Islam in the context of terrorism, even as we know that most Muslims are not terrorists: When an adherent of the Muslim faith engages in an act of terrorism, he explains (or shouts out) that he is acting in the name of Islam.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Personally Colonel,

If the hearings do no more than connect two dots in the minds of the vaunted, praised, and worshiped, pragmatic centrist, fence-sitting, fingers-in-the-wind, moderate Centrists, then they were a good thing.

After 9-11 all we kept hearing from the Democrat posters was, "Why didn't george W. Bush 'connect the dots?'"

That why is very present in this discussion. Like Obama's past during the last Presidential election, they are the unassailable victim and to the Democrats, to have this hearing without giving the Tea Party an anal too is tantamount to International human rights violations if nor the much ballyhooed "Racism" and Xenophobia."
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Oikophobia

Xenophobia is fear of the alien; oikophobia is fear of the familiar: "the disposition, in any conflict, to side with 'them' against 'us', and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably 'ours.' "

The oik repudiates national loyalties and defines his goals and ideals against the nation, promoting transnational institutions over national governments, accepting and endorsing laws that are imposed on us from on high by the EU or the UN, though without troubling to consider Terence's question, and defining his political vision in terms of universal values that have been purified of all reference to the particular attachments of a real historical community.
The oik is, in his own eyes, a defender of enlightened universalism against local chauvinism. And it is the rise of the oik that has led to the growing crisis of legitimacy in the nation states of Europe. For we are seeing a massive expansion of the legislative burden on the people of Europe, and a relentless assault on the only loyalties that would enable them voluntarily to bear it. The explosive effect of this has already been felt in Holland and France. It will be felt soon everywhere, and the result may not be what the oiks expect.
Roger Scruton, British philosopher

 

[blunt_trauma]

this thread lacks fish.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

this thread lacks fish.

Not enough Red King Herring for your Rainbow Pout?

 

[Saint Peter]

Plenty of chum.

No fish.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I love how you assert that there is no difference in the murderous intent of Sunni or Shia and then admit that all Muslims DON'T want to kill us, but that the critical fact is that we can't tell the difference.

All you've done in your 5.5 million posts, is repeatedly emphasize your belief that the lack of difference in physical appearance between two different people is more important to you than the factual difference between those people who want to kill you and those who don't.

You freely alternate between two lies of your own construction. One lie is that the person who doesn't want to kill you is actually lying himself and is secretly waiting for the perfect opportunity to knock you off.

The second lie is that even if the first person doesn't want to kill you, you're still entitled to kill him as an act of self-defense because of his physical resemblance to someone who does want to kill you.

Those are just two reasons why, if I have a passing interest in Islamic theology, I don't call you first.

Okay, there is a HUGE difference between the two and when they find themselves face-to-face, they get to killing each other.

Fine.

But, the same huge split in philosophy separates radical Islam from our Left, yet they will gleefully join forces to fight a common enemy, in this case, that America which celebrates the rights and the freedoms from a master of the Individual...

Like Hitler and Stalin, they can work together against a common enemy. Yeah, there might be a nasty fight between the two before it is over, but the fat lady ain't even got her leg warmers on yet...

So what if they hate me because I'm a scantily-cld woman, atheist, gay, or transgendered, they hate Republicans too!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Plenty of chum.

No fish.

No fish, no Buffalo Chips...




*sniff* *sniff*

Bye Ralphie

:waves:

 

[Saint Peter]

No fish, no Buffalo Chips...




*sniff* *sniff*

Bye Ralphie

:waves:

I hear nothing about KState from you.

Ralphie is smiling.

 

[Saint Peter]

And it was not a run away game.

You have to like that.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And it was not a run away game.

You have to like that.

No, for the second game in a row, KU came out sleep-walking and playing down to the level of their competition.

They are totally fixated on Texas and revenge and they played like these games were just something they had to endure to get to them.



But, your future look bright in your new league, after all, your coach is a Jayhawk...

 

[Saint Peter]

No, for the second game in a row, KU came out sleep-walking and playing down to the level of their competition.

They are totally fixated on Texas and revenge and they played like these games were just something they had to endure to get to them.



But, your future look bright in your new league, after all, your coach is a Jayhawk...

He was all we could get on such short notice and low money.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I hear nothing about KState from you.

Ralphie is smiling.

I told you in early February that K-State was over-rated; a JV squad...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

He was all we could get on such short notice and low money.

THAT's how you talk about the guy who got you further into the tournament than you've ever been in the Big XII?

So much for beating Texas!

What have you done for me today!

 

[blunt_trauma]

Not enough Red King Herring for your Rainbow Pout?

fish charm
how many men could flirt using fish?

 

[Saint Peter]

I told you in early February that K-State was over-rated; a JV squad...

I do not see why Kansas does not combine the two and make one real school.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

fish charm
how many men could flirt using fish?

Only a true fisherman can land the prize fish...

It starts with your choice of line.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I do not see why Kansas does not combine the two and make one real school.

Because then those cute little Johnson County girls would leave the state and stop cheerleading.




The ugly need a school too...

 

[Saint Peter]

Little?????

 

[blunt_trauma]

you have all the lines though!