You Kidnapped The Wrong Girl, Ya Big Dummy

rosco rathbone

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In July 2002 in the Town of Livingston, Columbia County, a
witness observed defendant slowly drive his car across the center
line of a road and strike a female bicyclist stopped alongside
the road. The witness further observed defendant pull the
struggling victim toward his vehicle. As the witness and other
bystanders moved to intervene, the victim wriggled free and,
after exchanging words with those seeking to intervene, defendant
fled the scene. Defendant was subsequently arrested and charged
with attempted kidnapping in the second degree.

At his trial, defendant testified that the aforementioned
events were the result of mistaken identity. In sum, defendant
claimed that, after meeting an individual named "Judith" on the
Internet, the two arranged to have defendant simulate an
"abduction" of Judith and thereafter engage in sexual role-playing
activities together. According to defendant, he and
Judith planned this mock abduction for a number of months and the
preparation included defendant scouting the location of the event
in Livingston, observing Judith while she rode her bicycle in the
neighboring countryside, and Judith executing a "consent form" in
which she agreed to her own capture. Numerous electronic
communications between defendant and Judith were introduced into
evidence at trial in support of defendant's case. Finally,
although the mock abduction was originally scheduled for March
2002, defendant claimed at trial that he and Judith had
rescheduled for July 2002 and that, on the day he encountered the
victim, he believed that she was Judith due to her physical
appearance and the model of her bicycle.


Defendant was subsequently convicted as charged and
sentenced, as a second felony offender, to 15 years in prison.
Defendant now appeals, primarily challenging the manner in which
the grand jury presentment was conducted and County Court's
instruction to the trial jury.
We first address defendant's claims concerning County
Court's failure to dismiss the indictment due to defects in the
grand jury presentment (see CPL 210.20 [1] [c]; 210.35 [4]). In
that regard, defendant avers that his right "to give any relevant
and competent evidence" (CPL 190.50 [5] ) was impermissibly
abridged because, during his testimony before the grand jury, he
was precluded from introducing hard copies of the e-mail
correspondence between Judith and himself. Relatedly, defendant
also avers that his statutory right to testify before the grand
jury was impaired due to the fact that he was precluded access to
his computer hard drive – and the instant messages between him
and Judith contained therein – in advance of his testimony. We find these claims unpersuasive.






(Apparently this guy was just re-tried and released--rosco)
 
D'oh.

And this is why we have those first awkward public meetings in coffee shops....
 
lorddragonwolf said:
can you say opps.

Maybe, but I prefer Graceanne's word. It flows off the tongue more easily.

And about the poor sap - make sure you have more details or do as Netzach suggested.
 
Netzach said:
D'oh.

And this is why we have those first awkward public meetings in coffee shops....

Coffee shops have better ambience than police stations, I think.
 
snowy ciara said:
It's just so non-consensual....
But is that not the appeal? at least to someone who goes far enough to set up a kidnapping simulation.
 
snowy ciara said:
He wanted to be the kidnappER not the kidnappEE... :rolleyes:
lol, but that's exactly the Irony, what kidnapper doesn't like irony?
 
Silly boy, watch where you're going...

hmm this is interesting, 'cause I met someone just last night from off the internet. Thank god he didn't try to abduct me.. though I got the feeling he would have liked to. :rolleyes:
 
Hmmm....

Maybe I could become a BDSM lawyer. Specialize in defending those poor kinksters too sloppy to make sure this type of idiocy doesn't happen.
 
Marquis said:
Hmmm....

Maybe I could become a BDSM lawyer. Specialize in defending those poor kinksters too sloppy to make sure this type of idiocy doesn't happen.

And how would you collect your fee ------- or shouldn't we wonder?
 
Marquis said:
Hmmm....

Maybe I could become a BDSM lawyer. Specialize in defending those poor kinksters too sloppy to make sure this type of idiocy doesn't happen.



Nah, leave it be. Consider it a form of natural selection.
 
Sir_Winston54 said:
And how would you collect your fee ------- or shouldn't we wonder?

Cash, sex or pain.

Silverlily said:
Nah, leave it be. Consider it a form of natural selection.

Hey, there's only two ways to gain power: you climb the ladder, or you build rungs beneath you...
 
Oh my god! Oppppsss is not even the word to use... That is what we in the Army would call, a big OH SHIT....How in the blue hell? lol I will be laughing my ass of about this one for a while...Chalk this up to a lesson learned. :eek:
 
Marquis said:
Cash, sex or pain.



Hey, there's only two ways to gain power: you climb the ladder, or you build rungs beneath you...
Or suck up to someone with power so they take you under their wing, and then backstab them :)
 
Aeroil said:
Or suck up to someone with power so they take you under their wing, and then backstab them :)


A popular way of climbing the ladder.
 
Marquis said:
Hmmm....

Maybe I could become a BDSM lawyer. Specialize in defending those poor kinksters too sloppy to make sure this type of idiocy doesn't happen.

Google the Oliver Jovanovic case if you are interested in more BDSM Bloopers resulting in Jail Time.
 
rosco rathbone said:
Google the Oliver Jovanovic case if you are interested in more BDSM Bloopers resulting in Jail Time.


You told me about him before but I couldn't remember his name. Too bad he didn't have any decent representation:

*whips out a business card and flashes a shark smile*

Why don't you hold onto this Rosco? You know, just in case.
 
Marquis said:
You told me about him before but I couldn't remember his name. Too bad he didn't have any decent representation:

*whips out a business card and flashes a shark smile*

Why don't you hold onto this Rosco? You know, just in case.

If there is one thing I don't have to worry about it is a Jovanovic-style slipup. Even if I was meeting someone other than my right hand for sex; I am uber-paranoid.
 
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